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Acclimation drips

Discussion in 'New Hobbyists' started by silverado61, Aug 27, 2013.

  1. silverado61

    silverado61 Member

    I keep hearing that if you were acclimating a fish with a drip, you acclimate the temp first then do the drip. But then it's said that an acclimation drip is not recommended because of the difference between tank temp and bag temp would put stress on the fish.
    Then wouldn't it make more sense to do the drip first then the water temp? Then again, if you do a 3 drop per second drip, the temp change would be more gradual than "bag in the water" temp change. That's not Biology. That's simple Physics. Depending on the volume of water in the bag when you start the drip, at only 3 drops per second, the total mass of the water in the bag would dominate the temp as a whole and if there were to be any change in temp, it would only be about 1/2 to 1.0 degree. If a drip takes 20 to 30 min, even if it's a 1.0 degree temp change, I don't think the fish would even notice that.
    Certainly a temp change in the ocean caused by Mother Nature alone is more drastic than that. I may be a newbie when it comes to fish but I do know a little about simple Physics. Please feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong, but if you really think about it, my theory makes sense.
  2. deton8it

    deton8it Member

    I drip acclimate most items but not all. Some items (primarily coral) I just temp acclimate by floating the bag. It really depends on what it is and how sensitive it is. If I decide to drip acclimate, all I do is pour the creature and water into a 1 gallon pitcher. I then set up my drip line and adjust as necessary. I will scoop water out and pour it down the sink as needed. After 1-3 hours (depending on the creature) I scoop it out of the pitcher and put it in the tank.
    John
  3. eric b 125

    eric b 125 Guest

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Deton8it
    I drip acclimate most items but not all. Some items (primarily coral) I just temp acclimate by floating the bag. It really depends on what it is and how sensitive it is. If I decide to drip acclimate, all I do is pour the creature and water into a 1 gallon pitcher. I then set up my drip line and adjust as necessary. I will scoop water out and pour it down the sink as needed. After 1-3 hours (depending on the creature) I scoop it out of the pitcher and put it in the tank.
    John
    +1
  4. flower

    flower Active Member

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Deton8it
    I drip acclimate most items but not all. Some items (primarily coral) I just temp acclimate by floating the bag. It really depends on what it is and how sensitive it is. If I decide to drip acclimate, all I do is pour the creature and water into a 1 gallon pitcher. I then set up my drip line and adjust as necessary. I will scoop water out and pour it down the sink as needed. After 1-3 hours (depending on the creature) I scoop it out of the pitcher and put it in the tank.
    John
    If I purchase the fish from the LFS, I also just float the bag as was already mentioned...However, Saxman made a valid argument that fish that are shipped, and have been in the bag for so long should just be temp acclimated and then just opened and released into the (what should be a QUARANTINE) tank. He says the waste in the bag is far more a threat then the shock of different SG levels. I must admit that it worked with my delicate seahorses.
  5. k1972

    k1972 Guest

    What about inverts like snails and reef shrimp? Sg if 1'019 at lfs, and my tank is 1'025 how do I do that.. I am floating and adding water but for how long?
  6. tthemadd1

    tthemadd1 New Member

    Is say soak the bag to get temp close. Then add some water, I jus add some to the floating bag and use my magnet scraper. After a few scoops of water into the bag they will be acclimated. Maybe thirty minutes total. My LFS runs their tank close to my salinity so not much of an issue. Snails can live out of water for a short period. I would just soak the bag for twenty and then dump the water through my net. Shrimp should be fine as well.
    Never had a fish, coral, or invert die from a transfer into the tank.
  7. fattytwobyfour

    fattytwobyfour New Member

    If I order online, I follow their acclimation policy. I do agree about being careful with items that have been shipped. I've read a lot online about things like possible ammonia spikes. I would think that if where you purchase your livestock from has a good return policy, they will advise you what acclimation method works best with their livestock. They don't want to lose money. This theory of mine may not be true if you purchase your animals from a big chain store, or at a LFS that has hired staff who isn't knowledgable. They aren't necessarily worried about things like profits, so may not care if you have to return a dead animal for credit.
  8. clasasil

    clasasil New Member

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