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Does my lemonpeel have HLLE?

post #1 of 69
1/10/06 at 1:13am
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1. I think my lemonpeel might have HLLE, but im not sure.
2. He has what looks like to be scales missing along a line that runs parallel with his top fins and also looks white around the face. I cant see it best with my actinics on.
3. I'm not sure how long the fish might have this but if i had to gues maybe a few months.
4. My tank has 30 lbs of LR, 2 clowns, starburst polyp coral, and a few scarlet hermits and nassarius snails.
5. 26 gal tank that has been running for about 2 1/2 years.
6. I've had my lemonpeel for about 1 1/2 years and i just put 2 clowns in my tank last week.
7. The fish wasn't quarantined before being placed in my tank and i dont have a quarantine tank just yet but i have a tank for it.
8. No treatments yet.
9. Ammonia - 0 Nitrates - 0 Nitrites - 0 ph - 8.3 temp - 80 salinity - 1.022 and raising to 1.024-1.025.

Please HELP...I LOVE THIS FISH and i dont want to loose him!

Can this transfer to my clowns?
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post #2 of 69
1/10/06 at 1:42am
Originally Posted by roadrunner
1. I think my lemonpeel might have HLLE, but im not sure.
2. He has what looks like to be scales missing along a line that runs parallel with his top fins and also looks white around the face. I cant see it best with my actinics on.
3. I'm not sure how long the fish might have this but if i had to gues maybe a few months.
4. My tank has 30 lbs of LR, 2 clowns, starburst polyp coral, and a few scarlet hermits and nassarius snails.
5. 26 gal tank that has been running for about 2 1/2 years.
6. I've had my lemonpeel for about 1 1/2 years and i just put 2 clowns in my tank last week.
7. The fish wasn't quarantined before being placed in my tank and i dont have a quarantine tank just yet but i have a tank for it.
8. No treatments yet.
9. Ammonia - 0 Nitrates - 0 Nitrites - 0 ph - 8.3 temp - 80 salinity - 1.022 and raising to 1.024-1.025.

Please HELP...I LOVE THIS FISH and i dont want to loose him!

Can this transfer to my clowns?
HLLE disease is caused by stray voltage, stress (many contributors) poor water quality and/or poor diet. it can be reversed but you first must identify the source(s) contributing to the outbreak. A diet supplmented with macroalgae has been known to reverse HLLE. Try adding vitamin soaked food (zoe and/or selcon) along with some galric soaked food to the diet.

Assuming your diagnosis is correct, review the required dietary needs for the animal and make sure nothing is lacking in your feeding routine.

It should not spread to the other animals...unless they too are sensitive to the source (s) which lead to HLLE on the angel
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post #3 of 69
1/10/06 at 1:45am
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Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
HLLE disease is caused by stray voltage, stress (many contributors) poor water quality and/or poor diet. it can be reversed but you first must identify the source(s) contributing to the outbreak. A diet supplmented with macroalgae has been known to reverse HLLE. Try adding vitamin soaked food (zoe and/or selcon) along with some galric soaked food to the diet.

Assuming your diagnosis is correct, review the required dietary needs for the animal and make sure nothing is lacking in your feeding routine.

It should not spread to the other animals...unless they too are sensitive to the source (s) which lead to HLLE on the angel

...would stray voltage harm my inverts? poor water quality...i let my tank go for about 6 months only toping off with the well water, but i fed him everyday (flake food) witch might not be any better...

what type of vitamins do i get...were can i get them...and what should i feed?
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post #4 of 69
1/10/06 at 1:52am
Originally Posted by roadrunner
...would stray voltage harm my inverts? poor water quality...i let my tank go for about 6 months only toping off with the well water, but i fed him everyday (flake food) witch might not be any better...

what type of vitamins do i get...were can i get them...and what should i feed?
Your angel should be fed seaweed sheets or Nori. Greens should make up about 50% of the diet. The lfs should have selcon or zoe. if not both products are avaiable on this site.

Bassed on what you have posted it was probably a combination of poor diet and perhaps some water issues. Even if you use well water, it can still contain stuff that can be harmful to a closed marine system.

THere are MANY tace elements that are required to be replaced with routine water changes. If you simply topped the system off with fresh water and did not remove existig system water and replace with fresh salt water then I beleive you have identified a source. Also, the diet may be lacking for the angel...a possible second source.

He will also like meaty type food as the other 50% of his diet.
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post #5 of 69
1/10/06 at 2:00am
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well then beginning my weekly water changes (2 weeks ago) of 3 gals using RO water for the new saltwater and top off water is good...then i guess that i need to change his diet.

...can you write out what i need to be feeding him and will my clowns eat it to or what should i feed them to prevent this and other possible diseases? were can i get of of the food too!?!

...do i need to QT my lemon or not needed/

THANKS ScubaDoo!
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post #6 of 69
1/10/06 at 2:07am
Originally Posted by roadrunner
well then beginning my weekly water changes (2 weeks ago) of 3 gals using RO water for the new saltwater and top off water is good...then i guess that i need to change his diet.

...can you write out what i need to be feeding him and will my clowns eat it to or what should i feed them to prevent this and other possible diseases? were can i get of of the food too!?!

...do i need to QT my lemon or not needed/

THANKS ScubaDoo!
No need to QT if it is HLLE. Seaweed selects or Nori. Nori can be found at the grocery store oriental food section. Mysis shrip, krill, silversides, fomula one and tow, marine cusine, angel formula..all good chices. I feed my angels about seven different foods. I alternate each day. The only foos I feed then EVERY day is nori. You can/should also soak the food in a little garlic along with the vitamins.

Any macroalgae you can provide is also a BIG plus. DO NOT FEED LETTUCE...IT DOES NOT GROW IN THE OCEAN. Sorry for the yelling...jus want to be cartain you see that sentence.

Manitain that water quality and change the diet and you should see an improvement. yes, your clowns should like the food too.

Be careful not to overfeed.
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post #7 of 69
1/10/06 at 2:09am
Sorry for the typos..it's too late and I am not wearing my glasses...still living in sight challenged denial.

I also type like a person wearing boxing gloves.

Best of luck
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post #8 of 69
1/10/06 at 2:20am
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scubadoo stick with me for a little longer...

...i though i might have one of the food that you listed and it ends up that i do...i have the formula two marine pellet...with the pellets i should add nori (together?) would that be enough or should i get more?

Thanks
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post #9 of 69
1/10/06 at 8:20am
Nori is packaged in large algae sheets. Take a 1/2 sheet fold it up and clip it using a lettuce clip to glass. The tang should go for it, if not right away, then within a few days. These sheets will deteriorate pretty quickly in your tank, so only leave it in there for a couple of hrs, then replace them with fresh ones.

Zoecon is an excellent supplement for hlle.

You need to add a grounding probe to your tank, sump, refugium [if you have those].

I like to change out 1 gallon of water daily. Its a good habit, and maintenance is basically hassle free.
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post #10 of 69
1/10/06 at 11:42am
Originally Posted by roadrunner
scubadoo stick with me for a little longer...

...i though i might have one of the food that you listed and it ends up that i do...i have the formula two marine pellet...with the pellets i should add nori (together?) would that be enough or should i get more?

Thanks
Personally, I would get at least four differnt foods plus the nori or seaweed sheets. Like I stated, I feed my angels 7 or possibly 8 different foods. Frozen Angel formula is an excellent food. I have to purchase mine on-line as the idiots at the one lfs here in my samll town claim they cannot get it.

I feed my fish twice daily...with one feeding being nori each day the other is on a rotating basis with the numerous differnt types of food.
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post #11 of 69
1/10/06 at 12:14pm
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i dont have a grounding probe for my tank...how much would that cost and how do i know whether or not i really need this?

So i can get the nori at the grocery store and then i attach it to a clip and leave it be...if he doesn't go for it...how long should i leave a sheet in the tank and then do i immediatltyreplace eit with a new one or do i wait until about the same time the next say to put a new sheet in?

Should i feed him the formula 2 pellets that i have?

Would forzen angel food from the LFS be a good 3rd option?

Can i feed all three of these and do i rotate between the three (one one day, the second on the next, and the final food on the third and then start over)

Is NORI, formula 2 pellets, and frozen angel food from the LFS good enough to reverse this?
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post #12 of 69
1/10/06 at 3:02pm
All fish tanks need grounding probes. They are around $15 and they must go into a grounded socket.
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post #13 of 69
1/10/06 at 10:34pm
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OK! all of my tank plugs are plugged into a grounding connector and today i went out and bought a surge protector...to further insure saftey for all!

i also went to the LFS and bought some new food...i got seaweed sheets...i got frozen angel food...and i got brine shrimp frozen...and at home i already have the formula 2 pellets...

is this a sufficant diet for my lemonpeel and will this reverse that process of HLLE?

how long will it take b4 the scales begin to fill back in?

and if the food listed above is good...what type of schedule (rotation) should i create for my lemonpeel and fish?

THANKS!
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post #14 of 69
1/11/06 at 12:13am
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tonight a put in the first seaweed sheet...my lemonpeel is curious but not biting just yet...and then i put in a cube of frozen angel food...is one cube enough for my lemonpeel and clowns or should i feed something more?
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post #15 of 69
1/11/06 at 12:33am
Originally Posted by roadrunner
tonight a put in the first seaweed sheet...my lemonpeel is curious but not biting just yet...and then i put in a cube of frozen angel food...is one cube enough for my lemonpeel and clowns or should i feed something more?
Return the frozen brine for mysis shrimp. Brine shrimp lose all of the desired nutritional value within the first few hours of hatching due to their fast growth rate. After this time they have about the same nutritional value for marine fish as a Hershey's Bar. Try breaking the sheet into very small pieces. If he is used to flake he should eat it as the smaller pieces will look like flake. .

I assume you have angel formula?

One cube is enough.
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post #16 of 69
1/11/06 at 12:33am
FOrmula two pellets are good
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post #17 of 69
1/11/06 at 12:37am
I feed all my angels greens every day at one feeding. The rest rotates. I have plenty fish in my systems so I simply drop in a few pieces one day...different the next. I also have some different fish with different dietary needs then angels. So, everybody gets what they need..and all receive some garlic and vitamin soaked food.

I only have one picky eater. My Miniatus grouper will only eat frozen silversides and frozen krill. I have to make sure he gets his daily "fix".
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post #18 of 69
1/11/06 at 12:41am
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is mysis shrimp a frozen food? yes i got the angel formula frozen food and i fed one cube tonight and everyone seemed to go for it...but is that enough?

i also put a strip of seaweed strip on a clip in the tank tonight...will he eat that or should i try to grind it up and give it to the fish mimicing flakes?

i do have the formula 2 pellets...

what type of feeding schedule should i do for my lemonpeel and will this new schedule and food be good for my clowns?
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post #19 of 69
1/11/06 at 12:41am
There is no timetable for reversing the disease. it will take time. Keep up with maintaining the water quality and make sure the diet is adequate. Vitamins as sugggested will also help.

It will not go away over night...but with good husbandy skills and a solid diet you should see some improvement over time. Every fish is different and reaction time due to improved conditions and diet can vary.
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post #20 of 69
1/11/06 at 12:45am
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is mysis shrimp a frozen food? yes i got the angel formula frozen food and i fed one cube tonight and everyone seemed to go for it...but is that enough?

i also put a strip of seaweed strip on a clip in the tank tonight...will he eat that or should i try to grind it up and give it to the fish mimicing flakes?

i do have the formula 2 pellets...

what type of feeding schedule should i do for my lemonpeel and will this new schedule and food be good for my clowns?
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