More proof Obama = Socialism - Page 4

I was just commenting on your idiotic comment.

Funny, I didn't know not killing babies was considered a religious belief and shoving christianity down people's throat.
You can't really be serious right. You don't really believe what you say, your just being an internet pot stirrer right?

What groups AROUND THE WORLD protest abortion the most? THE RELIGIOUS GROUPS. Who leads that parade? The VATICAN AND THE POPE. You're telling me all these Pro Life people have no affiliation to any religious orders? That the majority of people who oppose abortions are atheists? Notre Dame was just ostracized by the Vatican and all the American bishops because they were inviting Obama to speak at some commencement. Show me the numbers where the majority of people who oppose abortions are not affiliated with some form of religion. Show me ANY Pro Life organization whose members don't reek of christian values and religious beliefs.

Wow!
I'm suddenly horribly frightened. I think I made a huge mistake in voting for The Angel of Light.

Honestly, I'd like to hear the entirety of Obama's speech so that I could glean context from it rather than hearing Mr. Beck's shrill interpretation of ex post facto soundbites.

The guy's been in office 110 or so days and the world is coming to an end.

Seriously? If the R's who held the office for 22 of the last 30 years had left it in better shape, perhaps we wouldn't need to be concerned about Beelzebub. Sheesh.

As far as I'm concerned Mr. Obama is, so far, a disappointment. Nothing of the previous administration's implemented policy has been reversed or even modified. In fact, if anything, it's been furthered.

I think I'm willing to watch and wait however. No-one accomplishes anything in their first 1/4.

As for Mr. Beck (and I've listened to him extensively, being a follower of Sun Tzu) he's kinda off his rocker. E.g. the Constitution does indeed define negative rights for the govt. That's exactly what Mr. Obama said. To twist that around and say that the follow up statement - it doesn't define what the gov't must do - is a prelude to Marxist-Fascism (and I'm not sure I understand what that is) is ridiculous.

There are most certainly things the gov't must do. I'm not sure where Mr. Beck gets his facts from, in terms of what those things are, from Mr. Obama's statement. They weren't enumerated in the soundbites Mr. Beck presented.

Should I trust that Mr. Beck is accurately representing Mr. Obama's statements, or is Mr. Beck perhaps, (as Fascists are wont to do), fear mongering?

Not sure I've heard Beck say the Constitution only asserted the rights of the people but he does say that about the Bill of Rights quite often.

I forgot, the republicans the last eight years made these as well....

The Blondie comic speaks for itself:

It's ironic to say the least. Fascism is, among other things, when industry is privately owned yet government controlled...

Kind of rings true with what the goverment is trying to do with banks... auto companies...

Fascism is an extremely nationalistic political ideology with an emphasis on military might (needed to advance the ideology). Whatever form it takes, I am very hard pressed to think of any US presidency or US government that even came remotely close.

Fascist, actually, are not liberal-minded at all, since their ideology espouses a survival of the fittest mentality. That would exclude poor minorities, disabled people, the working poor, mentally ill, etc., etc.

It is neither socialism nor capitalism--but an ideology that tends to abhor both those ideologies. Its a third political option, if you will. A belief system that the world could actually do best without.

I agree that the Constitution limits the rights of the Federal Gov't too. I'm not sure Obama's the only one that hates that, however. The erosion of the Constitutionally guaranteed rights of the people is not exactly new to Obama. It's been taking place in small increments since President Washington. Hell, the bill of rights was passed because it had to be, not just to clarify the situation.

It is the Power Structure itself that hates the fact, not a particular president nor his party.

The Patriot Act was one of the most erosive documents to the Federal Constitution since the Civil War. We could delve into the history of it throughout each presidency if you'd like. What we'll end up with is that neither R's nor D's nor Whigs, nor Progressives were particularly concerned w/ the rights of the people nearly as much as they were/are their campaign contributor's rights.


In essence I agree with the statement. I'm still not sure who "they" are however. Is this the same they we were speaking about on the other thread?


Well, to the extent that those terms are actually defineable, yes. It is Mr. Beck, however that has created the confusion, not the "uneducated public's" misperception of a definition.

I find it rather difficult to mount an argument against Beck's statement when he calls Obama's ideals Marxist-Fascism.

I'm well acquainted with the terms, so really, what the hell does what Beck said mean?

As I stated initially, I find his argument to be fear mongering, not logical.

I now this is random but how do you post pictures on this site??

Post the pic to photobucket. Use photobucket's "[IMG]" nomenclature to link the pic to your SWF post. Don't use copyrighted pics. That drives network adminstrators crazy.

Interesting read, this thread has made it much further than i expected, I wish I had more time to participate....

It will be interesting to see who the Ossiah picks for the court. Be more interesting to see exactly how hypocritical the Democrats will be. Several of them stated that it was their duty to oppose Bushes nominees based of political philosophies. Obama voted to filibuster Alito. They really have no room to criticize the Republicans for fighting his pick.

On this issue, initial reports indicate that the Reps will take the high road as the slap in the face to the dems. I would love to see that, oppose but not filibuster. Of course it won't work out the way they want, but I would truly respect that...

Here is what I don't get. The Republicans have done that. For YEARS. Lotta good that did them... As if the democrats will somehow see the error of their ways and change is almost as funny as thinking Ahmadinejad will hear the "reason" from Obama and change.