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“We’re not going to wait for Congress. I’m going to act with or without Congress. Where they won’t act, I will, through a series of executive orders…. We’re going to look every day to see what we can do without Congress.”

 

President Barak Hussein Obama

 

No separation of powers. No limits on executive power.

 

Put aside the speaker, what if this was say President Jones? Is that what a leader of a Constitutional Representative Republic says?

 

This is what a dictator would say.

post #2 of 57

Not surprising.

post #3 of 57

Did you hear what the Department of Justice want to do with FOIA laws?

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Have you listened to all these Republican candidates during their little debates every other week?  Cain, Gingrich, Perry, Bachmann,,,, pretty much all of them stated "On January 21st, I will use my Executive Privleges to repeal Obamacare."  They also talked about using the same privilege to repeal pretty much anything else Obama plans to implement in the next year.  So what's the difference?  Oh that's right.  They're repealing something the Conservatives agree with, so that's OK.rolleyes.gif

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Have you listened to all these Republican candidates during their little debates every other week?  Cain, Gingrich, Perry, Bachmann,,,, pretty much all of them stated "On January 21st, I will use my Executive Privleges to repeal Obamacare."  They also talked about using the same privilege to repeal pretty much anything else Obama plans to implement in the next year.  So what's the difference?  Oh that's right.  They're repealing something the Conservatives agree with, so that's OK.rolleyes.gif


I've listened to them say they would grant waivers to all 50 states, it's one of the provisions in 0bama care. He's already granted them to the Unions and AARP.

 

I find it interesting the "most transparent administration in history" is changing the law so they can lie about freedom of information requests. Just in time for the investigations into Fast and Furious and Solyndra.

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The way I understand it congress passes laws with president's signature or over his veto.

 

and passes allocations of funds also.

 

 

but the president enforces those laws and doesn't have to spend precisley the money allocated.

 

And the supreme court can declare laws unconstitutional.

 

so we have a more or less constant tug of war. All setup by the constitution.

 

 

 

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I'm watching my local news, and they played that same speech.  Seems he was talking about this college loan assistance program he wants to initiate.  Considering tha average loan a college kid has after 5 years of college is around $50,000, I'm all for some kind of relief.

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I think the college loan plan sucks out loud. His wonderful plan allows borrowers to lower their payment to 10 percent of discretionary income and then walk away after 20 years of payments.

 

So after they pay for smart phones and cable (utilities) and their BMW (Transportation) what ever is left they have to pay 10 percent of and after 20 years of payments the taxpayers get stuck holding the bag. What a joke!

 

There's nothing new about it. It passed last year he's just accelerating it.

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I'm watching my local news, and they played that same speech.  Seems he was talking about this college loan assistance program he wants to initiate.  Considering tha average loan a college kid has after 5 years of college is around $50,000, I'm all for some kind of relief.


Who gonna pay all that "relief" money? You got a stash?


How about some relief for my medical school bills, or my taxes?  I agree with you that the President cannot erase passed law with an executive order.

 

I worked my butt off to earn a BS in Chemistry, then medical school, then residency. No one offered me any relief. I at least had a major in college I could have turned into a real job. In fact I almost became a FBI forensic chemist.

 

I hear no one whining that the schools charge all that money? These charges are artificially inflated to some extent by the "easy money" of these school loans. See also the home loan crisis. I refuse to get stuck with the bag for someone's education. I was responsible, so should they. BTW I went to public school from day one to getting my medical diploma.

 

I'm 43 and still paying on my debts.

 

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Who gonna pay all that "relief" money? You got a stash?


How about some relief for my medical school bills, or my taxes?  I agree with you that the President cannot erase passed law with an executive order.

 

I worked my butt off to earn a BS in Chemistry, then medical school, then residency. No one offered me any relief. I at least had a major in college I could have turned into a real job. In fact I almost became a FBI forensic chemist.

 

I hear no one whining that the schools charge all that money? These charges are artificially inflated to some extent by the "easy money" of these school loans. See also the home loan crisis. I refuse to get stuck with the bag for someone's education. I was responsible, so should they. BTW I went to public school from day one to getting my medical diploma.

 

I'm 43 and still paying on my debts.

 



And since you finished your BA, the annual costs for 30 hours of classes, room, board, and books has increased almost 200%.  The average annual cost just to attend a state school in Texas is $15K.  Multiply that by 5 years, and you have $75K in bills.  That's for ANY degree.  I just read an article the other day about how a single college text costs anywhere from $25 to over $200.  That's ONE book.  And of course, you can't use a previous edition of a book, even if the only changes that were made is 10 sentences on 5 pages.  That's because the professor who tells you that you have to use the newest edition is getting kickbacks from the publisher.

 

But to be honest, I think it's ridiculous to send your kid to a top tiered college the first two years.  My daughter is curently attending a local community college to get all her core classes.  She lives at home (no room and board), 15 hours costs me a whopping $1500 per semester, and the classes are ten times easier.  Once she finishes the core classes, we'll let her attend whichever 4 year college yes can get admitted to in order to complete her degree.

 

As for your medical school, you got the short end of the stick.  The mentality of individuals I know who took the Med School track was, "Yea, I'll be $300K in debt by the time I finish my residency,  But I'm going to specialize in Neurology, Plastics, Cardio (pick one), and I'll recoup that money in one or two years."  Ooops.  Didn't account for Mr. Insurance Provider telling you you're only going to get paid $30 for that office visit, when your normal billable rate is $250.  Expecting to get paid $10K for that angioplasty?  Sooorry.  Blue Cross says they'll only pay you $1,200 for that service, take it or leave it. 

 

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I'm watching my local news, and they played that same speech.  Seems he was talking about this college loan assistance program he wants to initiate.  Considering tha average loan a college kid has after 5 years of college is around $50,000, I'm all for some kind of relief.



So am I.

 

Hopefully we can get the $50,000 repaid by the borrowers, relieving the those who loaned the money.


Edited by beaslbob - 10/31/11 at 11:06am
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And since you finished your BA, the annual costs for 30 hours of classes, room, board, and books has increased almost 200%.  The average annual cost just to attend a state school in Texas is $15K.  Multiply that by 5 years, and you have $75K in bills.  That's for ANY degree.  I just read an article the other day about how a single college text costs anywhere from $25 to over $200.  That's ONE book.  And of course, you can't use a previous edition of a book, even if the only changes that were made is 10 sentences on 5 pages.  That's because the professor who tells you that you have to use the newest edition is getting kickbacks from the publisher.

 

But to be honest, I think it's ridiculous to send your kid to a top tiered college the first two years.  My daughter is curently attending a local community college to get all her core classes.  She lives at home (no room and board), 15 hours costs me a whopping $1500 per semester, and the classes are ten times easier.  Once she finishes the core classes, we'll let her attend whichever 4 year college yes can get admitted to in order to complete her degree.

 

As for your medical school, you got the short end of the stick.  The mentality of individuals I know who took the Med School track was, "Yea, I'll be $300K in debt by the time I finish my residency,  But I'm going to specialize in Neurology, Plastics, Cardio (pick one), and I'll recoup that money in one or two years."  Ooops.  Didn't account for Mr. Insurance Provider telling you you're only going to get paid $30 for that office visit, when your normal billable rate is $250.  Expecting to get paid $10K for that angioplasty?  Sooorry.  Blue Cross says they'll only pay you $1,200 for that service, take it or leave it. 

 



I have a BS in Chemistry, not a BA.

I practice emergency medicine, I am on the "front lines" day after day. I see all comers regardless of ability to pay and they get the same treatment. I don't see saving lives as the "shoprt end of the stick".

Malpractice insurance is almost $30/ patient, so yes I need more than $30 to make a profit.

 

I make a good living, more than average, but I worked my butt off for it, and I am proud to make that money as it was well earned.

 

I heard a recent interview where Michael More was unwilling to admit he was part of the 1%. He is worth $50 million. If he earned that money he should be proud of his abilities.

 

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I have a BS in Chemistry, not a BA.

I practice emergency medicine, I am on the "front lines" day after day. I see all comers regardless of ability to pay and they get the same treatment. I don't see saving lives as the "shoprt end of the stick".

Malpractice insurance is almost $30/ patient, so yes I need more than $30 to make a profit.

 

I make a good living, more than average, but I worked my butt off for it, and I am proud to make that money as it was well earned.

 

I heard a recent interview where Michael More was unwilling to admit he was part of the 1%. He is worth $50 million. If he earned that money he should be proud of his abilities.

 



He reversed course.  He now says "I am part of that 1%".  BS, BA whatever.  You chose to be an ER doc, so don't complain you don't rake in the "big bucks" and still have to pay your debts for getting that MD.  You had the opportunity to get into a specialization, and chose not to do so.  My wife has been an ICU Nurse for over 30 years, and probably has seen as much trauma as you, if not more.  I used to ask her why she didn't simply go to Med School, and she said she didn't want the grief or the paycut.  She's done a few ER rotations during her career, and said she got bored after the first week.  Only thing exciting was the gunshot wounds or the occassional heart attack.  Other than that, it was broken arms, broken legs, some form of deep gash, or a kid with the sniffles.

 

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Where did he complain about the money he makes?

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Where did he complain about the money he makes?


 

 

Yes, where did I complain? I said exactly the opposite. I did tell you a fact about the cost of malpractice insurance. 

I love how you try to belittle me by saying you wife has seen more trauma than 

me. That's great. Good for her. We need good nurses. Did you know every shift I worked?

If I were to complain about something, it would be time away from my family. Then again I knew that going in so no worries.

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Where did he complain about the money he makes?



He complained about his massive bills from getting his medical degree.

 

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He reversed course.  He now says "I am part of that 1%".  BS, BA whatever.  You chose to be an ER doc, so don't complain you don't rake in the "big bucks" and still have to pay your debts for getting that MD.  You had the opportunity to get into a specialization, and chose not to do so.  My wife has been an ICU Nurse for over 30 years, and probably has seen as much trauma as you, if not more.  I used to ask her why she didn't simply go to Med School, and she said she didn't want the grief or the paycut.  She's done a few ER rotations during her career, and said she got bored after the first week.  Only thing exciting was the gunshot wounds or the occassional heart attack.  Other than that, it was broken arms, broken legs, some form of deep gash, or a kid with the sniffles.

 



 

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he wasnt complaining. he was stating "why should some get a free pass and others not?" he also said he worked hard to get what he has. so why should others get a pass. they should have to do the same.

darth (english 101) Tang
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he wasnt complaining. he was stating "why should some get a free pass and others not?" he also said he worked hard to get what he has. so why should others get a pass. they should have to do the same.
darth (english 101) Tang


Exactly,

 

People are unwilling to work hard to get what they want. They want it handed to them. They want someone else to pay. The who "have it your way" mentality. I am proud I paid my own way with hard work toward a goal.

 

What I will complain about is people wanting MY hard work to make their lives better. They play I work.....seems about right for the entitlement generations.

 

BTW Bionic, Emergency Medicine IS a specialty under the American Board of Emergency Medicine. I am a diplomate of the board.

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Exactly,

 

People are unwilling to work hard to get what they want. They want it handed to them. They want someone else to pay. The who "have it your way" mentality. I am proud I paid my own way with hard work toward a goal.

 

What I will complain about is people wanting MY hard work to make their lives better. They play I work.....seems about right for the entitlement generations.

 

BTW Bionic, Emergency Medicine IS a specialty under the American Board of Emergency Medicine. I am a diplomate of the board.



The "specialties" I'm referring to are the one's MD's consider the "big bucks specialties".  Neurosurgeon, Cardio Thorasics, Plastic Surgery, Oncologist to name a few.

 

The majority of Americans are willing to workhard for what they want.  The Republicans and Conservatives try to paint this picture that there's millions of people sitting around waiting for government handouts.  The fact is, what jobs are out there are either low-paying, no advancement positions where you can't even earn enough to pay for your necessities, or one's that you need specialized training to obtain.  Our current society has always stressed that in order to obtain employment that pays resonable wages, you have to obtain secondary education of some form, whether it be a trade school, vocational school, and college degree.  That costs exhorbitant amounts of money.  It's ridiculous what these institutions charge for that education, and requires individuals to be in debt for decades after they attain whatever degree they decide to persue.  I wonder how far you'd get today with persuing your medical degree with the inflated costs of the education required to obtain that position.  You talk like you do because you've already attained that success.  Put yourself in someone's position today and see if you could say the same thing.

 

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