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post #1 of 62
Thread Starter 

so i have been fighting hair alga for a long time .tried the biospheres ,nothing.i test my dt no phosphates ph now 8.

i set up a canister filter with two big bags of phosphate remover and carbon.i swear the hair is growing faster.i have alot of chato in the sump tested my ro water no phosphates.turned the lights times back.now what?

maybe try a scrubber again .

 

post #2 of 62
I feel you man, I havd been living the same green hair nightmare. I tried all that stuff and my water is perfect but still I have hair. You and I have both been posting about this for a while. I just bought a sea hare and he is a maniac. Mowing it down nice. I didnt want to do the magnesium treatment. I have however recently started to rinse my frozen food and I have noticed that I am not growing new hair and skimming .
post #3 of 62

laughing.gif

 

Not laughing at your problem, but you've succumbed to scrubber use. Welcome to the dark side.

 

It would be a good idea - and it wouldn't hurt by any means. It can only help.

 

Have you blown your rocks off with a powerhead about once a month? What do you have for detritus control? Do you have a refugium at all? How well stocked are you? ... You know the drill. lol

 

I am convinced that many larger tanks have flow issues. I'm seeing barebottom tanks more common in large aquariums these days because the ease of maintenance and the ability to better control nitrate and phosphates, not to mention that you can use a lot more flow in them.

 

Anyways... I'll try to help you, but you got over 21 years of experience on me. lol

post #4 of 62

Get back to the basics dude...

 

High flow rates

Hardcore protein skimming

Algae scrubbing

Refugiums with deep sand beds and macroalgaes

Feed less

Change bulbs on lights

decrease photoperiods

control detritus build up

water changes

check your RO Unit's TDS and change the carbon filter out every 3 months.

decrease your bioload

gravel vac/maintain sandbed

add critters to eat it

 

... etc. etc.

post #5 of 62
Thread Starter 

i have had gha before of course.but i am really thinking of buying a new light system soon.i have had a scrubber before but didnt like it.

i am thinking of getting a sea hare and a few urchins to get at the hair while i figure it out.i only have 6 fish in a 250 tank.i have the 2 mp40's and 2 korilia #4's in there.plenty of flow.i only keep one inch of sand if that.here is the thing no algae on any of the glass or sand at all.

just on the rocks.the gha is all over the rocks over an inch long and thats after i get my arm in there with a 3/4 inch tube and take my fingers as i sphyon water and pull it off the rocks .its back a few days later.i cant turn my lights off i have alot of corals.i have never had this hard a time getting rid of this stuff

post #6 of 62
Thread Starter 

just saw your last post while i was writting mine and i have covered all of those.

bulbs 3 -4 months ago

i dont feed much ,once a day

not much bioload for this size tank

my skimmer is rated to 600+ gallons

plenty of chato in the sump and grow fast

i have alot of snails but the losers just like the glass

 

post #7 of 62

Dose vodka. yummy.gif

post #8 of 62

Waite....... don't you have tangs? Get some Zebra snails. Had an outbreak in the bio cube and within 3 days........ clear

post #9 of 62
Thread Starter 

yep 4 tangs all good sized but they dont touch it.i am going to get an order together of all things that eat this stuff .

so far i see ,zebra snails,spiney urchin and sea hare. what else.years ago i had an outbreak and added alot of snails and hermits they mowed it down fast.i tried this 4 months ago and they only cleaned the glass.any other suggestions?

post #10 of 62
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Originally Posted by deejeff442 View Post

yep 4 tangs all good sized but they dont touch it.i am going to get an order together of all things that eat this stuff .

so far i see ,zebra snails,spiney urchin and sea hare. what else.years ago i had an outbreak and added alot of snails and hermits they mowed it down fast.i tried this 4 months ago and they only cleaned the glass.any other suggestions?



I would stick with the Zebra's. Or you can go and get spongebob to mow for ya. bwahahbwahahbwahaha

 

post #11 of 62

Critters would be my last resort tbh. 

post #12 of 62

I would not buy anything else if I bought a sea hare, it is going to mow it down, and starve soon after, so adding something that will take away food is not necessary. Secondly, IMHO I personally feel that you can never completely get rid of this stuff, it lays dormant when nutrients are controlled and when they return so does it. I have been battling little patches of it for almost a year now, it's a process it. 

 

I suggest, pulling the rocks its on and putting them in a bucket with no light and letting it die off. It will consume all the nutrients and slowly die off. Then I would put them in some type of QT with light for a while and see if it returns. It basically QT all over again. 

 

This is a hail mary method and has a 50/50 chance of working, as there are probably GHA spores in the other rocks and once the GHA is remove they will probably thrive. I say its work a shot as if you have the space to do it, because if you buy a sea hare and it dies in your tank, its poisonous.

post #13 of 62
Thread Starter 

no chance of pulling rock .my tank is loaded with corals from one end to the other.maybe not a sea hare then .i am thinking a couple long black urchins and a snail cuc.

i will be putting everything in a bigger tank in less than 3 months with a new light system.so i just want something to eat it up till then.i will be adding a big scrubber in the new set up .

post #14 of 62

XCali gave some good tips......Though a bad note, the lights out deal really doesn't go far enough.....The nutrients are deep within the rock and need to be stripped......Your only probably action would be pulling the rock from the tank.....The corals would survive without the rock......

post #15 of 62

Woohoo!!!!

post #16 of 62

I agree with acrylic on this one. You have had some of your rock so long that it's been storing phosphates all this time. Now that the rocks are spent, they are leaching phosphate. Cure your live rock and get rid of the phosphate. 

post #17 of 62
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 View Post

Get back to the basics dude...

 

High flow rates

Hardcore protein skimming

Algae scrubbing

Refugiums with deep sand beds and macroalgaes

Feed less

Change bulbs on lights

decrease photoperiods

control detritus build up

water changes

check your RO Unit's TDS and change the carbon filter out every 3 months.

decrease your bioload

gravel vac/maintain sandbed

add critters to eat it

 

... etc. etc.



Agree with most of what's listed, but if he isolates certain areas we can eliminate things off this list.....He stated doesn't feed much, but doesn't state if he has stuff decaying in the tank.......The GHA is more a Phos issue.....The Phos gets locked inside the LR.....Regardless of decreasing lights, you'll slow it down a tad, but the Phos will continue to leach from the rock.....

 

post #18 of 62
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 View Post

I agree with acrylic on this one. You have had some of your rock so long that it's been storing phosphates all this time. Now that the rocks are spent, they are leaching phosphate. Cure your live rock and get rid of the phosphate. 



 

Not really spent......but your correct.....Think of LR as kind of your face with tons of pores.....When those pores clog what happens.....Your face/skin doesn't breathe.....That's exactly what's happening the LR is functioning doing its job.  It's clogged, and it is leaching out the bad stuff.  There are a couple noteable ways to deal with this.....1 being the bleach/acid bath, and the other is using Lanthanum Chloride or this.......which can be dosed to the tank, but you'll need to read before and know what's going on before you do it.....

 

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SeaKlear Phosphate Remover......You can find it on ebay.....

post #19 of 62
Thread Starter 

seeing i will be transfering this tank to another soon.i am going to get a cuc that will eat it up and i have a supplier that sells primo rock for $3,50 a lb i will buy a bunch for the new tank when i cycle it.then when i trans fer some of the rock from this one i will clean it.i plan to restart up my 90 when i get to the new house.my wife really misses the snowflake eel.so i figure i will clean this rock and reuse it in the 90.either way i will need to get more rock.

post #20 of 62
Thread Starter 

well i ordered a cuc and 2 long spine black sea urchins.i didnt order from here because they have the urchins on sale but dont have any.seems like a sale at walmart.advertise then you get and they dont have any.so i got a saturday delivery.if they can mow it down for now until i get the other tank i will be happy.i emailed my fish supplier that i have bought alot of lr from in the past .he is selling premium Fiji with a guarantee no pests for $4 a lb.he usually can get big 10-12 inch pieces.i will need bigger rocks in the new tank for more caves .though it was dirt cheap.i plan to use some of the smaller rock i have in my 250 now for the 90 .lots to do coming up.he still hasnt gotten me a price on the 460 tank but said sometime today.if i have to guess it will be $3500-4000

but after the qt blowing out i thinks i will pay .....as long as i have it by then of course.

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