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007

01-07-2004, 11:41 AM

Absolutely . . . and here's why. For one thing, I worked in the resturant business for several years as a server and I can attest that tipping on carryout orders is definitely fair.

Granted that it is true that the person giving you the order does not refil your drinks, or clear your table . . . however much more work than most people think goes into getting an order together. The person makes sure that you get the correct order and rings in your food. Once it gets made, in a busy resturant, the person must make sure they they actually get the correct food from the kitchen . . . not always an easy task . . . they also make sure that any special requests are filled and they also ensure that all necessary condiments/utensils are there in the bag. Furthermore they make sure that the food stays hot. All this so that you can walk in the door hand over payment and walk out the door in the minimal amount of time.

Now granted I don't think that 20% is necessary, however at LEAST 10% . . . .

007

01-07-2004, 11:43 AM

Just a little heads up to those who don't tip on carry outs . . . . if you order a carry out from a resturant and dont tip the carry out person . . . . I would STRONGLY advise against going back . . . . . servers have excellent memories :nervous:

Daniel411

01-07-2004, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by 007
if you order a carry out from a resturant and dont tip the carry out person . . . . I would STRONGLY advise against going back

While delivering pizza's in high school, one of the other drivers kept a little black book of delivery address's. 3 no-tip deliveries, and well.... I wouldn't eat the pizza the next time they ordered. One of the "most interesting" jobs I have ever had!

Jeepboy

01-07-2004, 12:09 PM

Only if she's cute.

RobChuck

01-07-2004, 12:17 PM

I usually give a tip in this situation, depending on the amount/quality of service provided.

Doodle, I love the avatar. Estaban Loiza for Cy Young in '04!

Kip4130

01-07-2004, 12:21 PM

my tip:

Dont eat yellow snow.

Bang Guy

01-07-2004, 01:01 PM

Also keep in mind that the person putting the order together is normally making the incomprehendibly low $2.18 an hour so they are really relying on tips to make a living.

doodle1800

01-07-2004, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by Jeepboy
Only if she's cute.

totally agree

doodle1800

01-07-2004, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by RobChuck

Doodle, I love the avatar. Estaban Loiza for Cy Young in '04!

hey you caught it... good job..

class starts tonight - Aurora University..

007

01-07-2004, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by Bang Guy
Also keep in mind that the person putting the order together is normally making the incomprehendibly low $2.18 an hour so they are really relying on tips to make a living.

In MI its 2.65 . . . eithr way I am so happy to hear that someone realizes this!

doodle1800

01-07-2004, 02:00 PM

huh? what happened to minimum wage? $5 something an hour?

sheracr123

01-07-2004, 02:26 PM

Waiters and waitresses and people who earn tips go by a diffrent standard for minimum wage.

Bang Guy

01-07-2004, 02:26 PM

The minimum wage law does not apply to jobs where the primary income is expected to be derived from tips. Basically... IMO, it's a crime.

007

01-07-2004, 02:43 PM

I agree that its basically a crime . . . just a little FYI for those of you who don't tip or are poor tippers, heres some food for thought (no pun intended) . . . . if you tip a server less than 10% of the total bill, that server is actually losing money by waiting on you. Regardless of what is left as a tip, the feds tax 8% of the food sale bill which the 2.65 that was earned in the hour that the person was sitting there, won't even cover.

Even though this is a fish page, i am glad to get this into somewhat of a public forum. Too many people out there have no idea what its like to wait tables . . . . IMO/E It is one of the most difficult jobs on the market and one of the lowest paid. I firmly believe that everyone should wait tables for at least one year in their life, just to see what its like.

Kip4130

01-07-2004, 02:47 PM

i have always heard to just double the tax... and if you have a $50 dollar bottle of wine with dinner that doesnt go towards the "tippable amount"

007

01-07-2004, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by Kipass4130
i have always heard to just double the tax... and if you have a $50 dollar bottle of wine with dinner that doesnt go towards the "tippable amount"

I don't think that this is a good rule to follow IMO, but thats just me. For example, doing this in MI would result to a 12% tip . . . NOT a good tip. On the wine thing . . . well, if you're ordering a $50 bottle of wine, then you can afford to leave a tip on it. The only items that can show up on a resturant tab that should not be included in "tippable totals" are gift cards as they are not a consummable good. JMO . . .

rbmount

01-07-2004, 04:44 PM

Eat in,Carry out,or delivery, I tip based on service recieved. Now, if it's crappy service,I tip low... slow cooks,I still tip the server because it isn't their fault. Basically, if the tea glass stays full I tip good

karajay

01-07-2004, 04:48 PM

The meal I most often eat out is breakfast. And I figure if someone can smile and serve customers at 6 AM, they deserve a big tip.
:D

jrpage

01-07-2004, 04:59 PM

I do tip well - For one I, like 007, did my time in an underpaid wage job when I was in college. But mostly because now I can afford to and why be petty when you can give back?
Besides I know better now - those who give really are the better off for it.

New_Noob

01-07-2004, 05:26 PM

It's not like they keep bringing you COKE or Pop!

My poll theme cool i never though there would be so much fighting, lol.

i would tip, but i cant have delivery, Marcos Pizza doesn't deliver into my area. lol.

Buzz

01-07-2004, 06:05 PM

Of course people that have worked as waitstaff before would say that you should tip for carryout or dine in - they get more money that way.

I have lived on both the East Coast and West Coast, and except for the rare occasion do not tip for carry out. Nor have I known anyone who has done so. If I were to tip anyone, it would be the cook. Waitstaff does not have to do anything for carry out, except maybe grab the bag and put it on the counter.

I'm sorry to all who feel otherwise, and I don't want to anger anyone. However, tipping at the rates that are typically given are dependent on full service - including running back and forth, filling waters, bringing more food, etc...that simply isn't involved in takeout.

Again, just my take on the matter.

broncofish

01-07-2004, 06:12 PM

The way I look at it if A person wants a tip they earn it. If I show up and they say "Here's your food, that will be $25.00" Then no tip, but if they say "Here is your food, is there anything else I can get for you...or would you like some extra ____, and we look forward to seeing you again when you can dine in" Then they get a tip. There is this one mexican place here in town, they know my name and they know I am going to get a glass of horchata to go, so everytime I show up there is a cup waiting, extra guacamole and hot sauce already in the bag as well as napkins and a straw. I tip about 20% at that joint. It's all about how hard they work for me, after all they are in the business of serving the customers. Tips are not given they are earned, I have been known to tip huge, and small.

Daniel411

01-07-2004, 06:17 PM

Ouch, I used to feel shafted if I had a 10% tip! I've always gone by a minimum 15%, and 20-30% if it was fantastic service.

Kzlen

01-07-2004, 06:44 PM

We dont tip the cooks for making the food. Im not going to tip the person for answering the phone, taking my order and handing me a bag even if they did put it all in the bag.. Thats why the price for meals are soo high, so they can pay their employees. Tips arent expected for that around here. If i was going in and sitting down, yes i would tip. if the place I order from charged a delivery fee, yes i would still tip the driver.

aarone

01-07-2004, 10:29 PM

Working in the restaraunt industry myself i always tip!

if service is bad 3 bucks at least. If service is good i usually tip around 8 or 9 bucks.

I know what it is like to make 2.13(texas) an hour. sucks. being a lowly 40 hour a week dishwasher i sometimes pull more money in two weeks that our servers do.

Just be a nice person and add a few bucks. Its not that hard to do.

aaron

dcel22

01-07-2004, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by 007
IMO/E It is one of the most difficult jobs on the market

Sorry but I think I have to disagree. Experience also. Just my opinion.

fshhub

01-08-2004, 12:08 AM

Personally, i tip 1/6 adjusted up or down for the quality fo service i get from my server. I hold nothing against them for a busy night or for a screaming kid. I will however deduct for giiving me someone elses well done steak(from the other side of the restauraunt), being rude AND I piety the server who makes me go hunt someoen else down so I can get my drink refill. As I said, I adjust up or down based up on the service the server provides me and my take is no service no tip. Therefore my walking in and getting my things and walking out constitutes NO service. As mentioned, they just answer the phone and hand you the bag, half of the time they only do one part of that and another server or employee would have done the other part(s)

I understand the wage issue, but why should I tip this server for merely taking my mmoney, when the hostess answered the phone and the cook bagged it up. In that case, we should go back and tip the cook and the hostess instead, RIGHT? I work on a commission and know very well what it is like to struggle on some weeks. BUT I in no way whatesoever expect to get paid for not performing and just being there. AND I really wish i got 2.18 an hour to at least help thru the weeks when I sell nothing at all. Instead, I have to budget and compensate to get thru till the next weeks pay. I do feel for those who rely on bonuses(like tips or commissions) as wage but I do not pity them for not geting paid for services they did not perform. I actually went 2 full months without getting paid at all. So hard luck stories like that would not bother me one bit. Fortunately for me I am darned good at what I do so 2 months did hurt but was managable and I have made up for the loss very well. One draw back is that I have no income to rely upon, on the other hand, give me a customer and I can make a months wages inside of an hour on some days.like last week, I sold a truck that brought a commission of almost a grand(I was paid for my services, not for just being the one at the register when the door was opened. And at the same time I am working on another wchich is nearly as large So in 2 sales I can make it thru the month AND I dont plan to stop there I intend to sell several more this month. Not every car pans out that way, but I do very well on 6 or more sales a month and my goal is 9.

overanalyzer

01-08-2004, 09:29 AM

I do not tip on carry out - it is like @ chipotle they have a tip jar - at a fast food style place?? C'mon folks ......

I do tip well (Always 20% unless service is bad) and I have been known to "forget" an item at the table and go back and cover for my father-in-law (consistent 12% tipper).

I also tip delivery guys unless I get charged for delivery. Don't order pizza often enough to worry about it and it is easier for me to pick it up.

Daniel411

01-08-2004, 09:33 AM

Don't order delivery often? All I can say is that I miss the "Delivery Butler" doesn't cater to my area any more :(

phenom5

01-08-2004, 12:53 PM

first off...i'm a bartender in AZ, we get $2.13 / hr...so we live for tips. as far as to go orders, maybe not the 15 or 20% you'd leave if you sat down and ate in the bar, BUT we still pack your to go order, which takes us away from the bar and the people who do ( for the most part ) tip us. in general, people don't tip on to go orders, but they also have to wait longer, and b/c NOBODY tips on to go's...don't come bitching at me when you don't get bread....or extra ranch....:D

phenom5

01-08-2004, 01:02 PM

fishhup-
"AND I piety the server who makes me go hunt someoen else down so I can get my drink refill."

give me a break...chill out your just having dinner, is it really worth getting that worked up about?

"and the cook bagged it up"

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! the cook bagged it up...yeah right, cooks don't bag to go orders....trust me.

"AND I really wish i got 2.18 an hour to at least help thru the weeks when I sell nothing at all. Instead, I have to budget and compensate to get thru till the next weeks pay. I do feel for those who rely on bonuses(like tips or commissions) as wage but I do not pity them for not geting paid for services they did not perform. I actually went 2 full months without getting paid at all. So hard luck stories like that would not bother me one bit"

but i don't get paychecks, after taxes and such my checks are voided, $0, screw bonuses, tips are my wage.

BTW-TIP comes from the term To Insure Promptness, and was originally done BEFORE the meal. you don't have to tip, and i don't have to give you service...

KevinF

01-08-2004, 01:12 PM

i've waited and bussed tables at one point or another inmy life. I've also worked the carry-out too. It may be different but carry-out people typically made whatever minimum wage was. They were not subject to the smaller hourly wage. Personally I tip 20% when I go out and eat unless service is bad. On take-out, I may tip a uck or 2 if the food is ready when I get there. Pizza man gets 2-3 bucks depending onhow quick he gets there. Just my personal standards.

Side note, I worked at a famous resturaunt in Tampa for years. The waiters go No hourly wage. There was a 12% gratuity added to every bill in lieu of hourly wages. Waiters made a killing too b\c tips were usually 25-35%

Kevin

MarVida

01-08-2004, 02:56 PM

I voted yes. I agree with everything 007 said. However in Oregon There is no offset provision, so wait staff recieves full minimum wage. Also it's adjusted every year on January 1. Minimum wage in Oregon this year is $7.05 per hr.

broomer5

01-08-2004, 03:07 PM

Heck no I don't tip for carryout orders.

I don't tip at Burger King for them putting my food in a bag, and I don't tip for Chinese food in a bag either.
I don't care if they give me extra soy sauce.

If the place want's to offer take out - then they should offer it without expecting a tip.
Cost of doing business IMO.

Pizza guy always gets a couple few bucks .

Basically we don't get carry out from nice restaurants very often.

We normally sit down and eat it there .... then tip accordingly 15-25%

If we're going to eat it at home - we cook it at home :)

Mr Enigma

01-08-2004, 04:14 PM

I never tip on carry out. That tip goes to the person that walked into the kitchen and brought you the food - seems like part of the job to me. If the tip went to the cooks, sure....

When I sit down and eat I tip VERY well. But as Kip mentioned NEVER include the booze. Especially in states like NC where they are upcharging SO much on the alcohol. If I buy a bottle of Dom Perignon for $250 and I could go to the store next door and pay $120 (purely hypothetical - I don't buy Dom)... why the heck would I add to that allready outrageous upcharge.

That's like going to your LFS, paying $99 for a yellow tang and giving the guy $20 for getting it out of the tank for you....

Hey - there's a thought - have your LFS employees work on tips...... Might be a good plan..

Harlequinnut

01-08-2004, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by broomer5
Heck no I don't tip for carryout orders.

I don't tip at Burger King for them putting my food in a bag, and I don't tip for Chinese food in a bag either.
I don't care if they give me extra soy sauce.

If the place want's to offer take out - then they should offer it without expecting a tip.
Cost of doing business IMO.

My sentiments exactly, why should it be different for anyone else. If you don't tip at burger king, mcdonalds or chinese food takeout, why would you tip for takeout just because it's a nice restaurant? When I do go out, I tip at least 15% and if service was excellent 20%. Delivery person always get 2-3 dollars from me. JMO
btw- I don't know of anyone nor have I heard of anyone that tips on carryout orders. This is something new to me.

Rockies

01-08-2004, 05:36 PM

Carry out and delivery are two different things:

The expectation of personal service with carry out is zero, so I don't give a tip when I drive to the restaraunt and pick up the pizza, chinese or whatever.

On the other hand, if someone delivers, then I tip since I like to reward fast service (getting the right items in the right condition). Note that this is a reputation thing which builds between me and the delivery person. Today's tip ensures tomorrow's good service.

Mr Enigma

01-08-2004, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by Harlequinnut
If you don't tip at burger king, mcdonalds or chinese food takeout, why would you tip for takeout just because it's a nice restaurant?

I think the premise is that the peope at Mcdonalds are being paid a fair (although paltry) salary, the waitstaff is working on tips.

sammystingray

01-09-2004, 04:06 AM

I ALWAYS tip at the very least 20% at a sit-down, and delivery guys almost always get more than that so they don't ejaculate in my next order, but I never tip anyone if I have to get up and drive to get it. If they want a tip, then they need to get some drivers delivering IMO. My fiance has a favorite chinese take-out place, and I never tip them when I drive to get it, but I would if they would deliver it......the only one that did anything was the cook really, and when I was younger, I worked with some chefs that were making 30+ dollars per hour....they don't work for tips. My fiance is also an assistant chef, and she rarely gets tips since she isn't really ever out where people are eating. Basically you have to actually DO something to get a tip IMO. Answering the phone, writing it down, and giving the bag to me isn't enough to warrant a tip IMO.

jwtrojan44

01-09-2004, 05:04 AM

Originally posted by sammystingray
20% at a sit-down, and delivery guys almost always get more than that so they don't ejaculate in my next order,

Mother of God, you are disgusting!:eek:

sammystingray

01-09-2004, 05:20 AM

I can't remember if it was local or national, but a few years ago a girl got herpes, from Taco Bell I believe it was, because this very thing occurred.:eek: :sad: :cry:

That's what made me think of that.....it actually happens.

jwtrojan44

01-09-2004, 05:20 AM

FWIW, I don't tip as well at those all you can eat buffets either. If I'm getting my own food and drinks, and all someone does is show me to my table and ask if everything is alright, then to me it doesn't warrant a large tip, such as in a sit down restaurant where all service is provided. I don't tip my barber or the person who grooms my dog. They set their fees accordingly so I'm guessing a tip is not necessary.
I do tip the lady at the massage parlor however.:laughing:

Hey! What did the leper say to the prostitute?

"keep the tip!"
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!:rotfl:

jwtrojan44

01-09-2004, 05:23 AM

Originally posted by sammystingray
I can't remember if it was local or national, but a few years ago a girl got herpes, from Taco Bell I believe it was, because this very thing occurred.:eek: :sad: :cry:

That's what made me think of that.....it actually happens.

Add to list of News Year's Resolutions; swear off mexican food.:nervous:

jlem

01-09-2004, 05:29 AM

Originally posted by phenom5
you don't have to tip, and i don't have to give you service...

So if you don't have to give service then what exactly does your job entail as a server, or bartender. :notsure:

sammystingray

01-09-2004, 05:31 AM

Originally posted by jwtrojan44

Hey! What did the leper say to the prostitute?

"keep the tip!"
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!:rotfl:

Mother of God, you are disgusting!:eek: :na-na:

jlem

01-09-2004, 05:38 AM

Originally posted by 007
IMO/E It is one of the most difficult jobs on the market and one of the lowest paid.

You have got to be kidding. Working at Burgerking making fast food for 8 hours a day is harder than being a waiter or bartender and definately harder than ringing up bills at a restaurant. There is a reason why waiters and bartenders are not getting paid the big bucks from an hourly wage and if tipping was not allowed I doubt if they would get paid much more than minimum wage anyways. It takes no extra schooling, your life is not in danger ever and you can quit at any time and someone will pick right up where you left off. I quit after working food service for 6 months at a restaurant to join the military and I doubt the restaurant had to shut down because I was gone.

Katara

01-09-2004, 05:54 AM

At a sit down meal in restaurant,15% went out at least 4 years ago.If you're going to tip,don't be insultive!Leave 20%,I generally leave 25% at regular hang-outs(The Outback,Mexican Restaurants)and new places and have always been well greeted,remembered and served(sometimes even an extra drink on the house).
With delivery if it's for 2-3 people (under $20) we tip 3 bucks anything over is an extra $2.
I mean,geez,these people are serving you your food!!Do you really want them to not like you?How would you treat yur next high spender as opposed to the next whiney,cheapclient,who'd get the better service from you?Surely the one who's padding your pocket & not the one talking about "I'm the consumer,I should come first"

waterfaller1

01-09-2004, 06:02 AM

Don't even get me started on this thread:mad:
jlem..how would you like to be treated rudely for an hour or two..just because some idiot feels he has "hired" you,and can treat you any way he pleases?In some places the server DOES have to take the call,ring the order,get all of the items together..and this is all counted as part of their sales for the day..so they{the server/bartender} have to pay taxes on the food you just grabbed and walked out with..so you just cost them money from their wages.After taxes,servers make about 1.00 an hour.Mind you,there are those who give poor service..but for those that do work hard..give good friendly service,it is tough sometimes.I see people all the time in other types of jobs..that get by without using their brain..and they still get a paycheck!:flame:

jlem

01-09-2004, 06:22 AM

WATERFALLER1

I am not sure what your post has to do with mine since my whole point was that being a server is not the most difficult job out there. But I will try to awnser your post back. If somebody was rude to me for an hour or two I would quit and find a job that I enjoy or just deal with it if I felt the job was worth the occasional jerk. That is the whole thing. Everybody complains about how mistreated and underpayed they are in the job that they still have day after day. Here is an idea for yay, get another job that that you could enjoy and pays the same. I say please after every request and thank you after it is fullfilled. I make sure my kids say please and thank you. I do tip in the restaurant unless the service is just horrible which takes a lot because I know that the server makes their bread and butter money from my tips. . But to say that it is the hardest job out there is rediculous and is somebody just feeling sorry for themselves because they had a crappy job.

Katara

01-09-2004, 06:32 AM

Originally posted by jlem
WATERFALLER1

But to say that it is the hardest job out there is rediculous and is somebody just feeling sorry for themselves because they had a crappy job.

I don't recall Carole saying what you wrote & if your job isn't so crappy...TIP MORE!!
Oh, and BTW it's "ridiculous"

jlem

01-09-2004, 06:36 AM

Thanks for the spell check:happy:

You are right . The exact wording was Job Market. Still don't think it is one of the most difficult job in the JOB MARKET. Yay, I do love my job and I tip plenty. I actually am so nice to my waiter that he or she should be tipping me and thanking me for making their day. By the way that was a joke. If you could spell check this post I would appreciate it.:rotfl::

waterfaller1

01-09-2004, 06:39 AM

Originally posted by jlem
Here is an idea for yay, get another job that that you could enjoy and pays the same. Thank you..I am about to do just that..insert crossed fingers here>>__:D It may not be THE hardest job..servicemen,firefighters,policeman,and ER drivers/doctors could attest to this I am sure.But,anytime you have to deal directly with the public,it can be tough..not complaining..just telling the truth.Why DO people feel they have to be rude anyway?Oh well..it goes with the territory I guess.I did'nt mean to single you out or anything jlem.This is a sore subject for me..but as you have pointed out..I have only myself to blame.Those of you who are young,and have the opportunity to get a good education..DO IT!How I would love to have a job I really enjoy,and feel fulfilled by.

Katara

01-09-2004, 06:55 AM

Originally posted by jlem
Thanks for the spell check:happy:

You are right . The exact wording was Job Market. Still don't think it is the most difficult job in the JOB MARKET. Yay, I do love my job and I tip plenty. I actually am so nice to my waiter that he or she should be tipping me and thanking me for making their day. By the way that was a joke. If you could spell check this post I would appreciate it.:rotfl::

Such a wonderful personality..and well educated(except for spelling)..I'm sure you'll be a scholar/Trump/something one day:rolleyes:
Care to share what you do for a living??I didn't think so.Pizza is probably a luxury in your basement,unless its frozen and you have a coupon.

jlem

01-09-2004, 06:55 AM

Originally posted by waterfaller1
Why DO people feel they have to be rude anyway?Oh well..it goes with the territory I guess.

I have no idea. It does drive me nuts when I see a custumer being rude to any kind of service personnell. All I can do is put on a smile and be as nice as I can when it's my turn to be their custumer.

karajay

01-09-2004, 06:58 AM

Originally posted by waterfaller1
Those of you who are young,and have the opportunity to get a good education..DO IT!

I say go ahead and do it no matter what your age. :yes:

jlem

01-09-2004, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by Katara
Such a wonderful personality..and well educated(except for spelling)..I'm sure you'll be a scholar/Trump/something one day:rolleyes:
Care to share what you do for a living??I didn't think so.Pizza is probably a luxury in your basement,unless its frozen and you have a coupon.

I believe the word is edjumicated

I am actually looking forward to finishing out my Navy career and hopefully open my own aquarium maint company or just enjoy retirement at age 39 and work at the base bowling alley.:D

007

01-09-2004, 08:35 AM

This thread has taken an interesting turn . . . hopefully it does not get shut down . . .

But I feel that I must clarify my previous statements . . . I said, and still firmyl believe that waiting tables or bartending is definitely ONE of . . . I repeat ONE of . . . the most difficult jobs in the market. It is by no means THE most difficult job and I am well aware of that.

To the comment that was in response to that by saying "this is just being said to make more money" . . . well, I no longer work in the resturant industry so I have nothing to gain and I STILL feel that waitng tables was a lot more difficult than the job that I have now . . . .

Another individual stated something about "feeling sorry for myself" . . . . a lot of words come to my mind for this individual, but I will refrain. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!

There is a reason why waiters and bartenders are not getting paid the big bucks from an hourly wage and if tipping was not allowed I doubt if they would get paid much more than minimum wage anyways.

I GUARANTEE you with 100% certianty that my hourly wage waiting tables was more than you could ever even dream of making . . . . no questions asked, hands down.

Anyone who says that waiting tables is easy has never done it or wasn't good at it . . . .

waterfaller1

01-09-2004, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by 007
This thread has taken an interesting turn . . . hopefully it does not get shut down . . .

But I feel that I must clarify my previous statements . . . I said, and still firmyl believe that waiting tables or bartending is definitely ONE of . . . I repeat ONE of . . . the most difficult jobs in the market. It is by no means THE most difficult job and I am well aware of that.

To the comment that was in response to that by saying "this is just being said to make more money" . . . well, I no longer work in the resturant industry so I have nothing to gain and I STILL feel that waitng tables was a lot more difficult than the job that I have now . . . .

Another individual stated something about "feeling sorry for myself" . . . . a lot of words come to my mind for this individual, but I will refrain. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!

I GUARANTEE you with 100% certianty that my hourly wage waiting tables was more than you could ever even dream of making . . . . no questions asked, hands down.

Anyone who says that waiting tables is easy has never done it or wasn't good at it . . . . :) Touche':)

007

01-09-2004, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by waterfaller1
:) Touche':)

That was just rude! . . . . :D

(I wish I could still use the little winking smilie to better convey my sarcasm)

Harlequinnut

01-09-2004, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by Mr Enigma
I think the premise is that the peope at Mcdonalds are being paid a fair (although paltry) salary, the waitstaff is working on tips.

That's true but I seriously doubt that the waitstaff would make less money than the people working at the fast food joints when all is said and done. In that case I think they deserve a tip more that the waitstaff if you ask me. IMO I would rather work as a waiter that at a fast food joint anyday.:ideclare:

phenom5

01-09-2004, 02:30 PM

first off, and i don't have any facts to back this up, but i've seen a study that found that serving is second only to heavy manual labor ( i.e. construction or landscaping ) as far as work being hard on a persons body. anybody that thinks its easy has never worked as a server.

i think i should reword what i said earlier. at my restaurant the bartenders take, ring in, pack, and cash out to go orders. you don't have to tip, and most people don't. but remember, you are competing against any given number of people at the bar who are tipping us...guess who takes priority and who waits...
"So if you don't have to give service then what exactly does your job entail as a server, or bartender"
my bar is filled with regulars, and being a bartender people get a drink and pay, then the tip...or don't tip. if you stiff me or leave me a quater on your first round, i'll look right past you to my regular who leaves $20 everytime she comes in, or the guy that's giving me a buck on each round. believe me, i won't lose any sleep b/c some cheap ass who doesn't tip sits with an empty drink. :D

i can't wait until i'm done with school so i don't have to deal with this crap. its funny to me, people act like giving a couple of bucks extra for a tip is the end of the world...so cheap, i'm just glad that i don't live my life like that, of course i make more money then most of the people my age (27aghhh...) who have graduated.

doodle1800

01-09-2004, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by RobChuck

Doodle, I love the avatar. Estaban Loiza for Cy Young in '04!

I am Estaban..

125inTX

01-09-2004, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by doodle1800
I am Estaban..

Who is Estaban? :notsure:

doodle1800

01-09-2004, 10:07 PM

Estaban Loiza - Chicago White Sox...

jlem

01-10-2004, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by 007
I GUARANTEE you with 100% certianty that my hourly wage waiting tables was more than you could ever even dream of making . . . . no questions asked, hands down.

Anyone who says that waiting tables is easy has never done it or wasn't good at it . . . .

I am curious what your average take home pay in one night waiting tables was. I am just asking because your responses make it sound like you were not appreciated for the services you performed, and the quoted response sounds like you are proud of the amount of money you made since You somehow know my financial future ( are you stalking me ). And just because a job is hard means nothing when it comes to how much you get paid. that 18 year old kid trying not to get ran over by an aircraft on an aircraft carrier isn't making jack for the danger he is in.

doodle1800

01-10-2004, 08:32 AM

underpaid
paid
customer
personel
stalking
paid
an aircraft

:party:

did I miss one?

saltysyd

01-10-2004, 10:39 AM

If it's delivered I tip 15-20%, I mean servers in restaurants get that much and they just walk across the room with the food, delivery people have to go out in below zero weather, drive around on snowy roads, etc..... cuz we don't feel like it. Prime example, today it is -17 here and I'm not leaving my warm house, but I wouldn't think twice about having something delivered. They definitely deserve tips!! If I pick up the order myself, no tip. :yes:

newreefers

01-12-2004, 03:56 AM

I always tiip, been a waitress and a bartender!! I know what it is like.

food - 20% minimum
drinks in a bar - $1.00 for every drink I order
drinks on the golf course - $2.00 for every time the girl comes around. (if not they won't come back and you could die of thirst on the golf course in Fl)

jlem

01-12-2004, 05:11 AM

Originally posted by doodle1800
underpaid
paid
customer
personel
stalking
paid
an aircraft

:party:

did I miss one?

This is so cool. I have my own little George Mcfly:cheer:

Now get hot and proof read the rest of my 600 post please.:ideclare:

zahner

01-13-2004, 09:50 PM

Delivery: always tip
Carry out: no tip

waterfaller1

01-14-2004, 02:40 PM

Well,there was a post..earlier..he must have deleted it..that said serving was'nt hard,that I was going to respond to..It is'nt as hard as say..working outside digging ditches in 100o weather...but it is stressfull,any time you have to deal directly with mindless,thoughtless, inconsiderate,people,it is stressfull!!
And how was YOUR day??:D

BKALL4u

01-15-2004, 06:10 AM

but it is stressfull,any time you have to deal directly with mindless,thoughtless, inconsiderate,people,it is stressfull!! Amen

As a once four year server and now a Resturant Manager for a 33 Store upscale chain on the west coast I do have a little experience in this subject. Tipping on To-Go orders is not "required" obviously but it sure is nice when you drop the 16 yr old girl an extra two bucks so she can then take her self to the movies "guilt free" after a day at work. If you are lucky enough to have the means to actaully order To-Go from a resturant you can certainly afford to throw down an extra couple bucks for a sign of apperciating to the poor kid wasting his/her day away just to make sure your frigin buger is xtra hot with no lettcue and 5 sides of ranch dressing for god knows what. 10% is a very acceptable number on a To-Go order.

BTW by the time the kitchen boxes the food, the host brings it up to the front door, it sits waiting for your arival (Hopefully) you get it home or back to work. The dang food is RUINED! Sit down, get taken care of, enjoy the good food while it's hot. If your in such a rush to get back home or just too lazy too take your fat butt out of your PJ's to sit in a real place, just go to the local drive thru! You'll save at least half the money and the crap tastes the same by the time your back anyways! Just my two cents :)

tony detroit

01-15-2004, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by jlem
And just because a job is hard means nothing when it comes to how much you get paid. that 18 year old kid trying not to get ran over by an aircraft on an aircraft carrier isn't making jack for the danger he is in.

I don't know why you go to work but I go to make money. Enlisting was your choice.

karajay

01-15-2004, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by tony detroit
I don't know why you go to work but I go to make money.

I only work for entertainment purposes.
If it aint fun, then I aint goin' :laughing:

007

01-15-2004, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by tony detroit
I don't know why you go to work but I go to make money. Enlisting was your choice.

Exactly!

And furthermore, since when does difficulty equate to danger? Look at a neurosurgeon . . . job's hard as can be . . . are they in danger? No. What about chemistry lab technicians? Their job is dangerous . . . is it difficult? Nope

Sorry pal . . . find a new argument and get back to me ok?

fshhub

01-15-2004, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by phenom5
my bar is filled with regulars, and being a bartender people get a drink and pay, then the tip...or don't tip. if you stiff me or leave me a quater on your first round, i'll look right past you to my regular who leaves $20 everytime she comes in, or the guy that's giving me a buck on each round. believe me, i won't lose any sleep b/c some cheap ass who doesn't tip sits with an empty drink. :D

Bad choice and very bad attitude! This one will get you a long way in this world and even farther as a server.I know guys that I go out with, who would burn you for that one. Big time too. First off, if they suspect anything like this, they will file a formal complaint with the owners and management. 2d they tip one time and one time only upon leaving a place. Except in the cas of a club, where they may move around and could wind up getting served by different individuals. One of these guys if he thinks that he is getting treated unfairly bc you think he owes you something will not stop until you have a major problem(like no job) but on the other hand, if he likes your service he will leave larger tips than you see on a regular basis. To us a tip is like anything else, we do not owe it to you and if you are going to stand there with your hand out, then be prepared to be surprised. A tip as a gratuity, a thank you and a courtesy.... A REWARD FOR GOOD SERVICE. As long as you think it is owed to you, you will not go far. As long as you think anyone owes you anything, You will NOT go anywhaere. Youu have to realize you MUST EARN things, including my tip, MY THANK YOU. and mostly my respect. B/C I give credit where credit is due and that means that, good service=good or even great tip. poor service=poor tip, And insubordination and rudeness or what not, will get you a likewise credit in return. DONT COME CRYING TO ME, when not only is there not a tip there, but the guy you mistreated has your job. If you do not want to serve, then dont. GET another job. If you want to serve and EARN what is given to you and be appreciative about it, then do it.

As for work, I have worked all kinds of jobs, pounded steel in a forge, poured iron in a foundary, waited tables and bused them, sold cars and the list goes on. I can say that waiting is not easy or hard. BUT like any other career if you find it hard and grueling, maybe it is not yours. You must however be able to do this with a smile and treat all your customers as customers, EVEN THE BAD. In any form of customer service this is a must, IRREGARDLESS of how you think they should treat you. Yes they should be equally respectful but there are those who are rude and dealing with them is part of the job you have chosen. And if you cannot take the good with the bad then look for something else. It is just like a marriage, you get good and bad with it.

AS FOR MY PAY 007,

go ahead and try to guess what I make, it will make you sick. and I guarentee you dont make that as a server. I set my own hours and normally make more in a 3 hr set than you make in a week and maybe even a month. If you feel up to it, I will bet you what I made yesterday(or if you can afford, it this whole week) on this fact.

overanalyzer

01-15-2004, 04:49 PM

A tip is something earned .... it is not a given fact.

If you feel someone putting your food in a bag is worth a tip go for it and tip to your heart's content.

As for "if you can order to go you can afford a tip." or "Sit down and get served" HA - ahhahahahaha:rotfl: Seriously - a lot of times we order carry out because we've both been working, it has been a long day and the kids won't sit still. So you want me to bring my family into a resteraunt where my kids will be all ansy and most likely annoying and my wife and I will spend our time disciplining our kids v. ordering carry out??

PLEASE!!!

and one last item - spell checking people's posts seems awfully rude - it Isn't that funny and this thread is turning a bit hostile.

PS - I don't tip on carry out orders! In case that wasn't clear before.

PPS - Wait staff does have a tough gig - but I would not put it anywhere near the top 20 toughest jobs!

007

01-15-2004, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by fshhub
AS FOR MY PAY 007,

go ahead and try to guess what I make, it will make you sick. and I guarentee you dont make that as a server. I set my own hours and normally make more in a 3 hr set than you make in a week and maybe even a month. If you feel up to it, I will bet you what I made yesterday(or if you can afford, it this whole week) on this fact.

For starters, that comment was not directed at you. It was aimed at the individual who made the preceeding comments in that thread.

Secondly, you are probably right . . . you probably do make more than me, big deal. If it makes you proud to flaunt it, then hey more power to ya . . . flaunt away.

Third, I no longer work as a server . . . you apparently missed that point.

Lastly . . . there's no need for name calling. It doesn serve any purpose, unless of course it makes you feel better. If so, than by all means, go right ahead and float your little boat.

I expected better . . . especially from a moderator.

:nope:

fshhub

01-15-2004, 05:23 PM

I appologize for the name, I had gone back and edited, and thought I took it out before posting. I even looked for it. That was uncalled ofr and was elevated by some going ons here, not your fault and that is why I intended to remove it.

It was not your fault, and was not aimed at you, but someone else here.
I, have not found any reason to call you such names, you are not a wise guy or such at all.

That will be gone, now.

Harlequinnut

01-15-2004, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by overanalyzer
PPS - Wait staff does have a tough gig - but I would not put it anywhere near the top 20 toughest jobs!

Try being a mailman on the 1st of the month delivering SSI checks in the ghetto, it will make you sick if you thought customers in a restaurant was bad. Then to go back to the post office to deal with stupidvisor... I mean supervisor, it's no wonder postal workers go postal all the time. JMO

ps - I wouldn't give you crappy service just because I didn't get a tip from you for xmas, but I would give you exceptional service if I did. :D

fshhub

01-15-2004, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by Harlequinnut
ps - I wouldn't give you crappy service just because I didn't get a tip from you for xmas, but I would give you exceptional service if I did. :D

exactly :yes:

Angelofish

01-15-2004, 10:54 PM

Im a delivery driver myself.Non tippers are not a priority with me.Theyll get it when they get it! I give them a chance to come around in the begining but If they dont I gotta do what I gotta do. Ive been known to tip,
Gas station attendant if he does the windows and Im filling up $1,
picking up food $1 & the change if theres a tip jar,
pizza delivery guys $3-4 because theres a charge and he gets that too.

KelKoolaid

01-16-2004, 12:48 AM

I also waitress, and yes there are more stressful/ harder jobs, but to be a good waitress, to be remebered- that takes finesse.

Anyone can wait a table, or try to. But its the servers that go that extra bit, read your mind, remember what you like each week. I'm not talking buffet or burger joints, I'm refering to family owned resturants, finer dining. They are the one's that get and deserve your 10-20%.

If we take a tip on a to-go order, it goes to the cook. They don't get tips, they have a set rate per night. It makes their day, once a week to get 3 bucks. It doesn't happen often.

I waitress and I work as a elem. para-educator in a self-contained special needs classroom. On the bad side of town. Somedays that is a worse job than waitressing. But both are very satisfying, I get to try and make a difference and make people happy, treat them the way I would like to be treated.

Just as trivia the best tippers ( there was a study on this) the Self-employed and food service workers.

jlem

01-17-2004, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by tony detroit
I don't know why you go to work but I go to make money. Enlisting was your choice.

I actually go to work because I enjoy my job and I could think of alot worse ways to make money.

believe me when I say that nothing is as exilerating and exiting as the flight deck. Enlisting was my choice as you pointed out and have done it twice since. I can't think of a more rewarding job then the military. the food service people are saying how much they deserve extra money for doing a job that requires no education, is not that hard and is not dangerous and I just don't understand that. You ask anybody who has enjoyed the Flight deck and standing next to a jet at full afterburner on the cat and most will tell you they loved it, but it still does'nt change the fact that it is a heck of lot harder and STRESSFUL than waiting tables or telling bar stories to custumers.

tony detroit

01-19-2004, 10:45 AM

I'm sure my job is just as dangerous if not more than yours.

jlem

01-19-2004, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by tony detroit
I'm sure my job is just as dangerous if not more than yours.

Well then start a thread about how hard your job is and how hard you have it also.:bowdown:

fshhub

01-19-2004, 12:25 PM

hmmmmmmmmmm, that could be interesting.

maybe I will, even though mine is not too dangerous(normally), It does have its downside. I wish I got tipped for taking care of ungrateful customers, but nstead I get yelled at by them. GOTTA LOVE IT!

tony detroit

01-19-2004, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by jlem
I
believe me when I say that nothing is as exilerating and exiting as the flight deck. Enlisting was my choice as you pointed out and have done it twice since. I can't think of a more rewarding job then the military. the food service people are saying how much they deserve extra money for doing a job that requires no education, is not that hard and is not dangerous and I just don't understand that. You ask anybody who has enjoyed the Flight deck and standing next to a jet at full afterburner on the cat and most will tell you they loved it, but it still does'nt change the fact that it is a heck of lot harder and STRESSFUL than waiting tables or telling bar stories to custumers.
I didn't come here looking for a plaque.

I am not in the food service industry and never have been. But they do put up with a lot of BS from ridiculous people.

If you think your job is that bad I can think of many much more dangerous.

tony detroit

01-19-2004, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by jlem
Well then start a thread about how hard your job is and how hard you have it also.:bowdown:

I'm not trying to do that. You came here, antagonized 007 because of his job, and then asked for sympathy because you were on the flight deck. I'm not trying to start any fights, just pointing things out, sorry if you took great offense to it.

jlem

01-19-2004, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by tony detroit
I'm not trying to do that. You came here, antagonized 007 because of his job, and then asked for sympathy because you were on the flight deck. I'm not trying to start any fights, just pointing things out, sorry if you took great offense to it.

I know that you are'nt trying to start any fights but read what somebody post before you make a fool out of yourself. Get your facts straight about what people post before you respond with a comment that makes no sense as you have done now with every one of your responses. :mad:

Actually I should be sorry. I should have realized before hand that saying that the flight deck is exilerating and exiting meant that I was looking for sympathy. Did I say that I was that 18 year old kid? And when did I ever say that my job was that bad? When did I ever ask for sympathy? Did I say that I or anyone else hated working on the flight deck. The point still remains that the kid on the flight deck or for matter of fact the kid standing behind a rifle in Iraq being shot at does not get paid jack for the job they are doing. They don't complain and I have never complained either. It is the people who are complaing about not being appreciated for their jobs in food service that you should be responding to. Not the guy who has not complained once about his job. :notsure: