Yet another reason to ban assault weapons

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2987789
46 PC §9.33. TEXAS CONCEALED HANDGUN LAWS
(B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated
kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault,
robbery, or aggravated robbery.
(b) The requirement imposed by Subsection (a)(2) does not apply
to an actor who uses force against a person who is at the time of the
use of force committing an offense of unlawful entry in the habitation of
the actor.
PC §9.33. DEFENSE OF THIRD PERSON. A person is justified in
using force or deadly force against another to protect a third person if:
(1) under the circumstances as the actor reasonably believes
them to be, the actor would be justified under Section 9.31 or 9.32 in
using force or deadly force to protect himself against the unlawful force
or unlawful deadly force he reasonably believes to be threatening the
third person he seeks to protect; and
(2) the actor reasonably believes that his intervention is immediately
necessary to protect the third person.
PC §9.34. PROTECTION OF LIFE OR HEALTH. (a) A person is
justified in using force, but not deadly force, against another when and
to the degree he reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary
to prevent the other from committing suicide or inflicting serious
bodily injury to himself.
(b) A person is justified in using both force and deadly force against
another when and to the degree he reasonably believes the force or
deadly force is immediately necessary to preserve the other's life in an
emergency.
So in the scenario of stopping a r@pe, yes that would be justification to DRAW your weapon. However, what is the ruling for when you are allowed to use that weapon? Let's say you walk up on an attempted r@pe. You pull your gun and tell the guy to back off. If he stops attacking the girl, you can only hold him at bay until the authorities arrive. ONLY if he attempts to cause physical harm on YOU, do you have the right to shoot the individual using deadly force. You just can't shoot the guy because he was r@ping the girl. Now if he grabs the girl and puts a knife or gun to her head, and you draw your weapon and demand he releases her, under Section 9.33, subsection 2b, you do have the right to use deadly force to protect this third person.
What I'm saying about a scenario with a random shooter, is you have to be distinct in knowing that individual is directing physical harm on you or a third person before you are allowed to use deadly force. If you walk into a situation like this, you just can't draw your weapon and start firing at anyone whose holding or aiming a gun at someone. You have to be 100% positive that you need to use deadly force in order to preserve another life in this situation. You make the wrong decision, it's you that will face the murder charge. As stupid as it sounds, you have to give the assailant the opportunity to surrender before you use deadly force.
There are other Texas laws that allow for the use of deadly force to prevent property crimes. You can't just focus on the Concealed Carry law.
This story touches on that
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...ck.6a8cbd.html
" Was the castle law designed to cover those circumstances?
No, said the law's author, state Sen. Jeff Wentworth, R-San Antonio.
"You're supposed to be able to defend your own home, your own family, in your house, your place of business or your motor vehicle," he said – but not your neighbor's.
But Mr. Edmonds said other property laws could provide a defense for Mr. Horn, whose case is under investigation.
"The laws governing the use of force to defend property instead of a person are very broad and very favorable to someone who wants to use that force," Mr. Edmonds said.
Chapter 9 of the Texas Penal Code describes deadly force as justified to prevent arson, robbery, theft or criminal mischief at night, or to prevent a suspect from fleeing if the property owner "reasonably believes the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury."
"You hear someone stealing something off your front porch. You come out there with a gun, and they're running off. It's nighttime. The law in Texas allows you to shoot them," said former Dallas County prosecutor Toby Shook"
 

stdreb27

Active Member

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2987232
A license to carry a concealed weapon is designed to protect YOU from physical harm. It is not designed for you to protect others. That is the job for the police. If a situation arises where you must protect yourself, and must use deadly force to do it, that's when a concealed weapon can be legally drawn. If at the same time this protection involves others in your proximity, you have the right to defend those unarmed individuals as well.

Originally Posted by bionicarm

http:///forum/post/2987789
(2) the actor reasonably believes that his intervention is immediately
necessary to protect the third person.

(b) A person is justified in using both force and deadly force against
another when and to the degree he reasonably believes the force or
deadly force is immediately necessary
to preserve the other's life in an
emergency.

What I'm saying about a scenario with a random shooter, is you have to be distinct in knowing that individual is directing physical harm on you or a third person before you are allowed to use deadly force. If you walk into a situation like this, you just can't draw your weapon and start firing at anyone whose holding or aiming a gun at someone. You have to be 100% positive that you need to use deadly force in order to preserve another life in this situation. You make the wrong decision, it's you that will face the murder charge. As stupid as it sounds, you have to give the assailant the opportunity to surrender before you use deadly force.
You read the law? immediately, all it says is that I must believe that immediate action is necessary and I don't have to warn him at all. Any half way competent DA that isn't trying to make political hay will see that.
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2987873
You read the law? immediately, all it says is that I must believe that immediate action is necessary and I don't have to warn him at all. Any half way competent DA that isn't trying to make political hay will see that.
Go right ahead and believe that. The first time you pop someone because you BELIEVE you or someone else was in danger, it'll be the first time you experience the wrath of an ambulance chaser that will sue you to the hilt by the victims family. Would you really want to risk the chance of spending 5 - 10 in Huntsville because some DA wants to make a statement?
I'm still waiting for one of you CWP holders to tell us your experience of actually shooting someone when you were threatened. All these tough guys that talk the talk about how they wouldn't hesitate getting involved with a rampage shooter like the one in Alabama. Hundred bucks says you'd duck and cover and wouldn't risk your life to try and be a hero. If a nut case like this guy was unloading a 50-round clip out of an SKS or Bushmaster, would you actually pop up and try to get off a shot out of your weak 9mm? With the amount of adrenaline he had, you'd have to hit him in a 'dead zone' at least three times, if not more. Shoot him in the back? There's a lawsuit waiting to happen, if not a conviction from the DA. If you carry for your personal protection, you better be prepared to use it correctly when the situation arises. Freeze, hesitate, or don't pull the trigger, you're dead. Go look up the statistics of the number of CWP holders who did get into a confrontation, but were killed by their own weapon because they 'froze' and their assailant took their gun and used it on them.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2987972
Go right ahead and believe that. The first time you pop someone because you BELIEVE you or someone else was in danger, it'll be the first time you experience the wrath of an ambulance chaser that will sue you to the hilt by the victims family. Would you really want to risk the chance of spending 5 - 10 in Huntsville because some DA wants to make a statement?
I'm still waiting for one of you CWP holders to tell us your experience of actually shooting someone when you were threatened. All these tough guys that talk the talk about how they wouldn't hesitate getting involved with a rampage shooter like the one in Alabama. Hundred bucks says you'd duck and cover and wouldn't risk your life to try and be a hero. If a nut case like this guy was unloading a 50-round clip out of an SKS or Bushmaster, would you actually pop up and try to get off a shot out of your weak 9mm? With the amount of adrenaline he had, you'd have to hit him in a 'dead zone' at least three times, if not more. Shoot him in the back? There's a lawsuit waiting to happen, if not a conviction from the DA. If you carry for your personal protection, you better be prepared to use it correctly when the situation arises. Freeze, hesitate, or don't pull the trigger, you're dead. Go look up the statistics of the number of CWP holders who did get into a confrontation, but were killed by their own weapon because they 'froze' and their assailant took their gun and used it on them.

Nut case unloading a SKS or AR on people and someone shoots them in the back? Even if the shooters family found a lawyer stupid enough to file a suite the Samaritan would have his expenses more than covered from grateful people around the country. I don't like to say there isn't a DA that stupid since what happened to those poor Lacrosse players but I would place huge money on the person being being acquitted.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2987972
Go right ahead and believe that. The first time you pop someone because you BELIEVE you or someone else was in danger, it'll be the first time you experience the wrath of an ambulance chaser that will sue you to the hilt by the victims family. Would you really want to risk the chance of spending 5 - 10 in Huntsville because some DA wants to make a statement?
I'm still waiting for one of you CWP holders to tell us your experience of actually shooting someone when you were threatened. All these tough guys that talk the talk about how they wouldn't hesitate getting involved with a rampage shooter like the one in Alabama. Hundred bucks says you'd duck and cover and wouldn't risk your life to try and be a hero. If a nut case like this guy was unloading a 50-round clip out of an SKS or Bushmaster, would you actually pop up and try to get off a shot out of your weak 9mm? With the amount of adrenaline he had, you'd have to hit him in a 'dead zone' at least three times, if not more. Shoot him in the back? There's a lawsuit waiting to happen, if not a conviction from the DA. If you carry for your personal protection, you better be prepared to use it correctly when the situation arises. Freeze, hesitate, or don't pull the trigger, you're dead. Go look up the statistics of the number of CWP holders who did get into a confrontation, but were killed by their own weapon because they 'froze' and their assailant took their gun and used it on them.
Who says I'd carry a 9 mm?
Besides I like Huntsville, I lived there for 4 years...
Ultimately freezing may be the case. But if I live in fear that I will freeze then I will freeze. If that is the fear you have, then you shouldn't be carrying it.
But a point of correction, an ambulance chaser typically brings on civil suits. Those involve financial rewards, NOT jail time.
One of the first things they told my friend in his CHL class is you pull that trigger, you just spent 20 grand in lawyer fees... Make sure it is worth it.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2987972
...
I'm still waiting for one of you CWP holders to tell us your experience of actually shooting someone when you were threatened. ....
I think they are waiting for you to go first. Why don't you tell about your last encounter with an automatic weapon wielding criminal....
Being prepared does not mean its a certainty that you will have to act. I learned CPR, doesn't mean I've had to use it. I've learned first aid, never used it. I've learned emergency procedures for gear failure while diving, yet never used them.
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2988127
I think they are waiting for you to go first. Why don't you tell about your last encounter with an automatic weapon wielding criminal....
Being prepared does not mean its a certainty that you will have to act. I learned CPR, doesn't mean I've had to use it. I've learned first aid, never used it. I've learned emergency procedures for gear failure while diving, yet never used them.
Sorry journey, but knowing first aid, CPR, and how to test your diving equipment is NOTHING in comparison to pulling out a deadly weapon and shooting someone. I don't have a CHL, so I have no need to 'tell my story'. Like I said, people who do have CHL's talk the big talk that they'd have no qualms pulling their weapon in a situation like the Alabama shooter scenario. I say most of them couldn't do it in a pressure situation like this. I guess most CHL holders obtain them for some kind of peace of mind. But in the end, I don't think a majority of them have the guts to actually go through with shooting someone. Shooting, and especially killing someone, with a deadly weapon would be a traumatic experience for anyone. Protecting yourself or your property is one thing. I don't think I'd have any isssues with shooting an intruder entering my home if the situation arose. I'd announce my intentions beforehand, with the hope the intruder would have the sense to leave once he heard me cocking my pistol, or hearing that 'ching' noise of a shotgun chamber closing. If not, he'd better be prepared for the consequences. But I'm not about to go and take my weapon around with me in public under my jacket or in a holster in the back of my pants, wondering if I'd have to use it. Doing that can bring up too many precarious scenarios that I have no business getting involved in. That's why we have trained policemen.
 

acrylics

Member
It's a nice thought, but police are not there to protect you and are under absolutely no obligation to do so, the Supreme Court has even said this (Castle Rock v Gonzales 2005, Warren v District of Columbia 1981, among others.) Police are there to try to protect society as a whole and to catch the bad guys after they do something which means by that time - it's too late. They do try, but they can't be everywhere at once.
Your safety is your responsibility, how you choose to provide for that is up to you. No disrespect intended, just different strokes.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2988872
Sorry journey, but knowing first aid, CPR, and how to test your diving equipment is NOTHING in comparison to pulling out a deadly weapon and shooting someone. I don't have a CHL, so I have no need to 'tell my story'. Like I said, people who do have CHL's talk the big talk that they'd have no qualms pulling their weapon in a situation like the Alabama shooter scenario. I say most of them couldn't do it in a pressure situation like this. I guess most CHL holders obtain them for some kind of peace of mind. But in the end, I don't think a majority of them have the guts to actually go through with shooting someone. Shooting, and especially killing someone, with a deadly weapon would be a traumatic experience for anyone. Protecting yourself or your property is one thing. I don't think I'd have any isssues with shooting an intruder entering my home if the situation arose. I'd announce my intentions beforehand, with the hope the intruder would have the sense to leave once he heard me cocking my pistol, or hearing that 'ching' noise of a shotgun chamber closing. If not, he'd better be prepared for the consequences. But I'm not about to go and take my weapon around with me in public under my jacket or in a holster in the back of my pants, wondering if I'd have to use it. Doing that can bring up too many precarious scenarios that I have no business getting involved in. That's why we have trained policemen.
The examples I listed, Bionic, were for illustrative purposes only. I'm not comparing them to shooting someone.
You made the point to call people out to tell their stories of shooting people. I simply pointed out we all do things to prepare ourselves for situations we may never encounter.
That said, many examples have already been posted of people using their firearms legally with deadly result.
You don't know many of the people here, so to say they couldn't use their firearms to protect themselves or someone else is 100% conjecture on your part.
 

jp30338

Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2986187
wow you mock someone willing to risk his life to protect you.
That really says a lot about you... It isn't good.
I could care less if he wants to die trying to save my life, his loss not mine... I dont need someone "protecting" me. if I did I would just hire someone..
 

jp30338

Member
Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2986192
I wonder how JP feels about our men and women sacrificing and dying in the Armed Forces to keep us free. I don't even hold a candle to those Patriots.
I am part of the "well regulated militia".
Does JP realize the sacrifices men and women have given to keep this country free.
Is "Give me Liberty or give me death" just a slogan to JP?
Yes it was a great slogan back in the old days! Today, nobody is going to just march in and convert the U.S. into communists or extremeists. please think with your head, not that itchy gun finger
 

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2989253
I could care less if he wants to die trying to save my life, his loss not mine... I dont need someone "protecting" me. if I did I would just hire someone..
Serious question for you jp.Why do you hate citizens owning firearms so much? Are you just playing Devils Advocate or do you really hate the Constitution as it is?
 

veni vidi vici

Active Member
Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2989257
Yes it was a great slogan back in the old days! Today, nobody is going to just march in and convert the U.S. into communists or extremeists. please think with your head, not that itchy gun finger

A lot of people believe it is happening right before our eyes.I dont see it as communism but moving towards socialism,there are red flags popping up daily.Do you really think you would like a socialist form of government?
 

geoj

Active Member
Guns are for protecting what is precious…
Quote from The Declaration of Independence
“That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
Quote from The Constitution of the United States
“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
Quote from The Bill of Rights
“Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
 

oscardeuce

Active Member
Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2989257
Yes it was a great slogan back in the old days! Today, nobody is going to just march in and convert the U.S. into communists or extremeists. please think with your head, not that itchy gun finger


Then you really miss the basic reason behind the Revolution and the Foundation of the United Sates of America.
Then again they don't teach it the way it was in school anymore. It's probably not your fault.
I'd also like to hear if you would like to live under socialist rule.
As to extremists, you got one sitting in the White House.
 

oscardeuce

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2988872
Sorry journey, but knowing first aid, CPR, and how to test your diving equipment is NOTHING in comparison to pulling out a deadly weapon and shooting someone. I don't have a CHL, so I have no need to 'tell my story'. Like I said, people who do have CHL's talk the big talk that they'd have no qualms pulling their weapon in a situation like the Alabama shooter scenario. I say most of them couldn't do it in a pressure situation like this. I guess most CHL holders obtain them for some kind of peace of mind. But in the end, I don't think a majority of them have the guts to actually go through with shooting someone. Shooting, and especially killing someone, with a deadly weapon would be a traumatic experience for anyone. Protecting yourself or your property is one thing. I don't think I'd have any isssues with shooting an intruder entering my home if the situation arose. I'd announce my intentions beforehand, with the hope the intruder would have the sense to leave once he heard me cocking my pistol, or hearing that 'ching' noise of a shotgun chamber closing. If not, he'd better be prepared for the consequences. But I'm not about to go and take my weapon around with me in public under my jacket or in a holster in the back of my pants, wondering if I'd have to use it. Doing that can bring up too many precarious scenarios that I have no business getting involved in. That's why we have trained policemen.
I trained for years, but my first trauma, my first emergency pacemaker, my first cric, all were defining moments. I never knew I was ready until I was in the position to HAVE to do the procedures. That's where the rubber hits the road. A life is in our hands either in medicine, or self defense. I look at self defense as the same. I train and prepare for it, yet hope I never use those skills.
I did a 1" ten shot group at 25 yards yesterday at the range with my M-1 Carbine.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2989417
I trained for years, but my first trauma, my first emergency pacemaker, my first cric, all were defining moments. I never knew I was ready until I was in the position to HAVE to do the procedures. That's where the rubber hits the road. A life is in our hands either in medicine, or self defense. I look at self defense as the same. I train and prepare for it, yet hope I never use those skills.
I did a 1" ten shot group at 25 yards yesterday at the range with my M-1 Carbine.
You're comparing medicine to self defense? Man, the mentality of gun fanatics. Let me make it simple. As a physician, you are licensed to save lives based on what you learned from the many years of attending medical school and your residency. That's the job you chose to do in life. It is NOT your job to be 'packing' an M-1 or some other 'cannon' in your back pocket waiting become the next savior when someone's life is being threatened. You sound like you're living for the day to whip out your .357 Mag and nail the next bad guy that comes along. Why in the world do you prepare for self defense? Do you live in that bad of a community that you feel so threatened some physical harm may come to you? That's the problem with 'normal' citizens having the ability to carry a concealed weapon. You go to some simplistic class where they teach you the basics of how to load/unload your weapon, where you can or can't carry that weapon, what types of weapons are legal for you to carry, and when you are allowed to use that weapon. That's it. But they don't teach you the mental aspects of what's involved with actually using that weapon in a deadly situation. You think you're prepared to actually point that fancy gun of yours at someone just because you can shoot a " 1" ten shot group at 25 yards "? Put a live body in front of you at 25 yards, pointing the same M-1 at you about to pull the trigger, then see if you can make that same 1" grouping. That's the problem with your logic. A life shouldn't be in your hands when it comes to using a gun. You're not properly emotionally trained to handle a deadly situation with a gun as you are with handling a trauma as a physician. You may think you are because hey, "I know how to shoot my weapon". What else is there? What's the difference between shooting a tin can or some stationary target, and a breathing human being? Being a physician, I think you can figure that one out.
 

veni vidi vici

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His luck apparently on the wane, an alleged serial burglar was committing his latest heist when two armed citizens fired shotguns. Police say the fleeing suspect broke into a nearby residence where 11-year-old Nicole Mendolia was home alone. A concerned neighbor knew the suspect was in the area and called Nicole’s father, Anthony Mendolia, who hurried home. Nicole hid under the covers for about 20 minutes until her father arrived armed with a 9mm pistol and fired two shots at the suspect, who fled the scene. The suspect was turned over to police after treatment for a gunshot wound. Nicole wanted him to know, “ ... You really got what you deserved today. You really deserved to be shot ... Seriously, you need to go to jail. You got problems.” (10 News, Tampa Bay, FL, 08/02/08)
Though he held the door shut against a 20-year-old intruder for as long as he could, police say an 84-year-old homeowner then grew tired. In desperation, he yelled for his wife to retrieve his .45-caliber handgun. He fired one shot at the intruder, who will be arrested pending his release from the hospital. “You could tell [the homeowner] was devastated,” Hancock County, Miss., Sheriff’s Investigator Andre Fizer said of the 911 tape, “You could tell he was scared.” (The Sun Herald, Biloxi, MS, 07/29/08)
According to police, a not-so-stealthy intruder awakened a couple by loudly whistling in their basement. The homeowner grabbed his shotgun to investigate—and that’s when the situation got even more bizarre. The intruder was covered in barbecue sauce and wearing the homeowner’s hat and his wife’s jacket. The homeowner escorted the sticky intruder upstairs at gunpoint. The disturbed man told police he’d obtained the sauce from the couple’s refrigerator in order to don “an urban disguise, if you will,” because he believed the FBI was after him. (The Post-Crescent, Appleton, WI, 08/03/08)
A group of doctors
holding a lunch meeting at an upscale restaurant first thought a man was pulling a joke on them, but they realized the seriousness of the situation when the man forcefully tugged a doctor’s tie and demanded his wallet. Police say the robber took the doctor’s money and left, but soon returned. At that point, one of the doctors had enough. “Before we knew it, [the doctor] pulls his gun out and told the guy, ‘Get away, get out of this restaurant now,’” recalls Dr. Charles Weatherby. “The guy looked back and [the doctor] said, ‘If you look back again, I’m going to shoot you.’” The doctor escorted the robber outside at gunpoint, where he was arrested.
(KIRO 7 News, Seattle, WA, 07/22/08)
Police say a family was unloading groceries when three armed men approached and demanded money. When the father said he had nothing to give them, one assailant said, “Get the baby!” Fearing for his child, the father drew a handgun and opened fire on the men, who briefly returned fire before running away. One of the robbers crawled away as if shot until he was able to join his accomplices. They sped away in a black SUV and were being sought by police. No members of the family, including the baby, were injured. (KNXV-TV, Phoenix, AZ, 07/07/08)
Martin Garrison was asleep on his brother’s couch when, according to police, five people intent on burglary pulled up outside. Two armed suspects invaded the home while their accomplices waited in the car. “I thought it was all a bad dream,” Roger Garrison said. “I didn’t know what their intentions were. It was scary.” When one of the burglars pointed a weapon at Martin, he drew a .25-caliber handgun from under the couch and shot one of the burglars three times. The wounded burglar died on the scene. Police were led to the dead man’s accomplices when they answered incoming calls to his cell phone. “My brother is still real upset about it,” Roger explained. “Robberies are something you hear about, but you never want to go through one.” (Star-Banner, Ocala, FL, 07/23/08
http://www.nrapublications.org/ac/Index.html
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2989721
You're comparing medicine to self defense? Man, the mentality of gun fanatics. Let me make it simple. As a physician, you are licensed to save lives based on what you learned from the many years of attending medical school and your residency. That's the job you chose to do in life. It is NOT your job to be 'packing' an M-1 or some other 'cannon' in your back pocket waiting become the next savior when someone's life is being threatened. You sound like you're living for the day to whip out your .357 Mag and nail the next bad guy that comes along. Why in the world do you prepare for self defense? Do you live in that bad of a community that you feel so threatened some physical harm may come to you? That's the problem with 'normal' citizens having the ability to carry a concealed weapon. You go to some simplistic class where they teach you the basics of how to load/unload your weapon, where you can or can't carry that weapon, what types of weapons are legal for you to carry, and when you are allowed to use that weapon. That's it. But they don't teach you the mental aspects of what's involved with actually using that weapon in a deadly situation. You think you're prepared to actually point that fancy gun of yours at someone just because you can shoot a " 1" ten shot group at 25 yards "? Put a live body in front of you at 25 yards, pointing the same M-1 at you about to pull the trigger, then see if you can make that same 1" grouping. That's the problem with your logic. A life shouldn't be in your hands when it comes to using a gun. You're not properly emotionally trained to handle a deadly situation with a gun as you are with handling a trauma as a physician. You may think you are because hey, "I know how to shoot my weapon". What else is there? What's the difference between shooting a tin can or some stationary target, and a breathing human being? Being a physician, I think you can figure that one out.
Why is someone who isn't willing to be a victim suddenly a fanatic?
I am not a member of the NRA because I don't care for some of Wayne La pier's tactics. I don't even agree with them on some issues.
However I am not going to let some punk take my car or break into my house. And while I have not shot anyone I did have an occasion to pull my pistol. Fortunately displaying it was was enough to resolve the situation but I was ready and willing to shoot the car load of punks looking to start crap. That doesn't make me a tough guy, it makes me a smart guy. If I had not been armed there is no telling what would have happened to me. Gang bangers or even wannabes which is what I suspect these clowns were have been known to kill people for no good reason.
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2989886
Why is someone who isn't willing to be a victim suddenly a fanatic?
I am not a member of the NRA because I don't care for some of Wayne La pier's tactics. I don't even agree with them on some issues.
However I am not going to let some punk take my car or break into my house. And while I have not shot anyone I did have an occasion to pull my pistol. Fortunately displaying it was was enough to resolve the situation but I was ready and willing to shoot the car load of punks looking to start crap. That doesn't make me a tough guy, it makes me a smart guy. If I had not been armed there is no telling what would have happened to me. Gang bangers or even wannabes which is what I suspect these clowns were have been known to kill people for no good reason.

Yours is a perfect example of why normal and untrained citizens SHOULDN'T carry concealed weapons. You actually pulled a gun out in front of a car loaded with 'punks'? You didn't think MAYBE they had guns? I'm surprised you weren't left dead in the parking lot. You thought you were defusing the situation by making the statement "OK punk, I have a gun. Whatcha gonna do about it?" Problem is, most of these 'punks' these days are carrying the same weapon, if not bigger. I'm amazed you weren't riddled by bullets by at least two or three of these dudes. We've had similar scenarios like yours recently in San Antonio. Most of them ended with the CWH getting shot or killed. Instead of whipping out your gun, you scream at the potential thief to get away from your car, and call the police. If they aren't armed, most likely they will do as you say and run away. If they are armed, they're most likely are going to have their weapon drawn before you. You going to risk your life by playing 'Quick Draw McGraw' and see if you can outdraw the nut? Even if you have your weapon already drawn, do you have the hindsight of knowing when to fire? That's the problem with untrained carriers. You don't know how to properly react to each situation. Go ask any cop what they would think about your reaction in this scenario. Odds are they will tell you that you made the wrong decision.
 
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