180 Gallon Equipment Punch List

abclemen

Member
I am looking for feedback on the equipment listed below for a new 180 gallon reef setup. I understand many of you have your personal preferences so please share however I am very interested if I have anything on here that has had poor performance.
180 gallon CornerFlow
Aqueon ProFlex Model 4 Sump
**Need a Pump Recommendation**
Reef Octopus XS200 Protein Skimmer
Aquatic Life 8 Bulb T5/HO/LED
Marco Dry Rock - 100lbs Key Largo
Live Rock - 10lbs
Natures Ocean Substrate (~100lbs)
Jager Heater 300 watt (1 or 2)
Reef Crystals Reef Salt - 200 gal Box
Marine Lab Multi Test Kit
All feedback is welcomed.
Thank you.
 

acrylic51

Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by abclemen http:///t/391008/180-gallon-equipment-punch-list#post_3465512
I am looking for feedback on the equipment listed below for a new 180 gallon reef setup. I understand many of you have your personal preferences so please share however I am very interested if I have anything on here that has had poor performance.
180 gallon CornerFlow
Aqueon ProFlex Model 4 Sump Build your own sump, cheaper and get the best of both worlds...
**Need a Pump Recommendation** Water Blaster pump by Coral Vue
Reef Octopus XS200 Protein Skimmer Reef Octopus XP2000 cone skimmer
Aquatic Life 8 Bulb T5/HO/LED
Marco Dry Rock - 100lbs Key Largo
Live Rock - 10lbs
Natures Ocean Substrate (~100lbs)
Jager Heater 300 watt (1 or 2)
Reef Crystals Reef Salt - 200 gal Box
Marine Lab Multi Test Kit
All feedback is welcomed.
Thank you.
 

abclemen

Member
That is correct. I did not include everything but you pointed out two good ones.
That brings up a question that has made we questions what type of RO/DI system to buy.
What type of system is needed (4-stage, 5-stage, etc)?
Is a home drinking water system the same as a reef system? I would think that it is but I want to make sure first. Not only do I want it for my new hobby but also to improve my drinking/cooking water at home.
Your first post has be wondering:
"Build your own sump...best of both worlds" What do you mean by "both worlds"?
Thanks for your feedback!!!
 

acrylic51

Active Member
When I say the best of both worlds.....Really depends on your DIY capabilities, but can easily be done with an already built tank or building from scratch with acrylic.....A lot of times when you "store buy" your limited to what you get. If you build from scratch or another method, you can custom tailor it to your exact needs and wants. Prebuilt sumps are just like cars.....You get what's on the "show room floor".....If you want add ons and all that it costs you additional. By building your own, you get what you want right out the door.....
I'll use the acrylic method as a good example. You can measure what your available space is under your tank......Before you purchase or build anything the first piece of equipment I would try to decide on would be what skimmer I'm going to use. With the skimmer choice/purchase out of the way; you build the sump around that skimmer choice. A lot of prebuilt or store bought sumps, might be impossible to fit your skimmer choice into.....And again with your better than average or custom built sumps your talking not only big money, but shipping becomes a major factor in cost.
After you've made your skimmer selection, it becomes a bit clearer what size sump you actually need....With that said you want the skimmer to easily fit in that compartment. Another option you might want to look at or be considering is do I want to be able to employ the use of filter socks.....Not critical, but at some point you might want to use them for whatever reason it may be.....Also you want your sump to be able to handle your flow through the sump.....To small a sump and to big of a return pump you'll have issues with micro bubbles being forced into the return area and in affect being forced back to the tank. This is problem seen quite a bit IMHO......Again some of that can be solved with properly sizing your return pump, but at times it's just not that simple. There are times you have to go to an oversize pump to overcome a head pressure instance, which might facilitate a bigger pump; which might of course flow to fast through your sump.....Another thing you might want to look at is the sump going to afford you the comfort of housing you other equipment. You'll see that through purchasing equipment heaters alone, can be rather bulky/long.....Quality heaters IMO aren't small and do present a challenge to fit into a sump......Again my pure opinion is a lot of pre made sumps are limiting in this facet as well.....
I'm not saying you can't get a quality, nice sized pre built sump from the LFS, but be prepared on cost as well......I think I'm rather spoiled in the fact I prefer to custom tailor and build everything possible to my exact needs and once. With this hobby as you already know nothing is cheap, so why skimp and buy exactly what you want the 1st time. Nothing worse than skimping and settling for 2nd best only to have to repurchase it again months down the road.....
As to the topic of RO/DI units......If your asking or inquiring about buying a drinking unit from a Lowes or HomeDepot......Nah.......I'm not saying it can't be done, but there are specific areas of the unit you want to look closely at. Again with the expense of the hobby, do it right the first time.....Again in this area, I built my own unit, but I'm comfortable doing so, but you can get a quality unit, from places like **************, AirWaterIce, SpectraPure......To be honest, SpectraPure probably has some of the nicest units out there, but again cost might be a factor when looking at that brand as well. With the units I mentioned briefly you can get the valve and holding tank to make drinking water for home/personal consumption if you'd like......
 

btldreef

Moderator
Quote:
Originally Posted by abclemen http:///t/391008/180-gallon-equipment-punch-list#post_3465512
I am looking for feedback on the equipment listed below for a new 180 gallon reef setup. I understand many of you have your personal preferences so please share however I am very interested if I have anything on here that has had poor performance.
180 gallon CornerFlow
Aqueon ProFlex Model 4 Sump **As Acrylic mentioned, building your own will give you more capabilities and is cheaper, but this isn't a bad model either if you already own it** I actually just have a open sump, it's just a 55G tank (it might actually be bigger, can't remember anymore) as a sump under my 180.
**Need a Pump Recommendation** I have a Mag18, very happy with it.

Reef Octopus XS200 Protein Skimmer
Aquatic Life 8 Bulb T5/HO/LED
Marco Dry Rock - 100lbs Key Largo
Live Rock - 10lbs
Natures Ocean Substrate (~100lbs)
Jager Heater 300 watt (1 or 2) Depends on the tank and ambient temperature of the room you're keeping the tank in.

Reef Crystals Reef Salt - 200 gal Box
Marine Lab Multi Test Kit
All feedback is welcomed.
Thank you.
As for an RO unit, I LOVE my Air Water Ice unit.
 

acrylic51

Active Member
Honestly I went back and looked at a few things.......
The Aqueon sump design is horrible IMHO........
The inlets at the far end and the skimmer section at the other......Poor design to be honest....If you place the skimmer as I reviewed a setup in the last chamber and place your return pump also in that last chamber, depending on skimmer choice, could honestly be an issue with micro bubbles making it back to the DT, so definitely gets a "0" for design, and besides what honestly does Aqueon know about building filtration, other than copying..... Go with what has been tried, tested and proven and there are plenty of good sites to give you the real ins and outs of a sump.
A quick comparison on pumps........

Magnetic drive Supreme pumps are made to run continuously, without seals to wear out. Highly energy efficient, the savings pass on to the consumer. Suitable for large aquariums, piped statuary and ponds.

  • Flow Rate: 1800 GPH maximum flow with a 21` shut-off

  • Power Consumption: 145 Watts

  • Pump Size (L x W x H): 6.4" x 4.5" x 4.6"
    Outlet Size / Inlet Size:3/4" MPT / 3/4" FPT
    10` grounded power cord
    5 year manufacturer`s Limited Warranty

mily: Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; letter-spacing: 1px; line-height: 14px; background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">Water Blaster 7000 – Dimensions: 9? x 4½” x 7¾” {1¼” inlet / 1? outlet}
88watts | 97% efficiency | Max Flow=1800gph | Max Head=12 ft - $230.00
 

acrylic51

Active Member
A rather easy comparison is obvious when you compare the 2 pumps pound for pound the Water Blaster a more efficient pump and can be run both externally or submerged as well as the Mag Drive, but the Mag's are know to add heat to their surroundings.....
I would opt for dual heaters as well.....Redundancy is the key here....If 1 would fail it wouldn't over heat the system.....And if needed both wouldn't run at the same time, and with limiting yourself to 1 heater if it would fail, your system would be without a heat source, so my recommendation is always a back up, but also like to have a heater controlled, by a separate temp controller as well......
 

btldreef

Moderator
Quote:
Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///t/391008/180-gallon-equipment-punch-list#post_3465722
A rather easy comparison is obvious when you compare the 2 pumps pound for pound the Water Blaster a more efficient pump and can be run both externally or submerged as well as the Mag Drive, but the Mag's are know to add heat to their surroundings.....
I would opt for dual heaters as well.....Redundancy is the key here....If 1 would fail it wouldn't over heat the system.....And if needed both wouldn't run at the same time, and with limiting yourself to 1 heater if it would fail, your system would be without a heat source, so my recommendation is always a back up, but also like to have a heater controlled, by a separate temp controller as well......
I fully agree about the heaters.
As for the Water Blaster, I had two break on me and gave up. The Mag's do definitely put out heat, but since I have LED's and the fish room is usually a little on the colder side, this isn't an issue for me.
 

acrylic51

Active Member
Water Blasters have decent reviews, and customer service is top notch, and can't honestly say there's been tons of issues with the Water Blaster pumps.....When you look at the wattage draw not comparable.
 

btldreef

Moderator
Quote:
Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///t/391008/180-gallon-equipment-punch-list#post_3465753
Water Blasters have decent reviews, and customer service is top notch, and can't honestly say there's been tons of issues with the Water Blaster pumps.....When you look at the wattage draw not comparable.
I think my problem was isolated, but after two, I just went with a different brand. I just have bad luck with certain things, those pumps being one of them, LOL
 
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