30 gallon please help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kia

New Member
:confused: I have a 30 gallon salt water tank that's been set up for approximately one year. I had 4 fish for about 6 months, then one by one they died off. The only things I have left are a chocolate chip starfish, a fire coral shrimp, 2 small hermit crabs, and one small snail. When I started having problems I had a professional come over. He tested my tank and said my nitrate was too high and to do a water change. That was in early May. Since then I have done at least 8 water changes, taking half the water out each time. I've always tested my nitrate, nitrite, ammonia, ph, and salt 9(at least once a week)since I've had the tank but never had this problem !!!! Now every time I buy a fish it lasts about a week to ten days and then it dies.I have live sand in the bottom (which I've sifted through many times to make sure there wasn't any junk underneath it.) I probably have about 15-20 pounds of live rock, a hose that makes bubbles flow to the top for looks,a Emperor 400 filter system and a Seaclone 100 protein skimmer. my ammonia and nitrite are still at 0. My ph is about 8.2-8.4, salt is 1.024 and my nitrate is almost to 20. Yesterday I bought a small cardinal fish and a small sweet lips fish. This morning the cardinal was laying on it's side dying and the sweet lips has been in the corner all day on the bottom acting like it's going to die too. I don't know what else to do. Sorry for the book, but please help !!!!
 

bill33

Member
how are you acclimating them???
what water are you using??? "ro/di"
maybe its the fish, i bought some fish from my lfs and they alll died then i got them somewere else and they lived for the longest time.
maybe its cause you are doing a 50% water change.
hope that i helped
B
 

kia

New Member
Thanks for replying..
Okay soo I am new at this....SORRY!!!
Acclimating?? what do you mean...than of course..the water RO and DI....??? SORRY....but I am lost....
I have to admit the tank looks great and has since I started it about year ago....
anyway...I am stumped....got these three new fish and now within 24hrs they are gone.....
It just sucks....and everyone around here is a expert but......
WHO do listen to.....
please help........more!!!!
 

bill33

Member
how are you acclimating the fish?
whats the temp of the tank
instant message me it will be a lot easier
Bill6189
 

kia

New Member
what is acclimating?? I am sorry for being stupid....BUT....
if its how I put them in the wter........I leave them in the bag, on top the water for about 30 min. and the temp is 80.....
??????????????????
 

bill33

Member
thats why they are dieing, the specific gravity in the bag and in your tank is prolly totally different and you are shocking them.
to acclimate them
you float the baf for 30minutes then you add a 1/4 of a cup of your tank water to the bag then wait 15minutes andd more so on and so on, for a little over a hour and you should be fine.
dont add the water that was in the bag to your main tank
 

chandler04

Active Member
Doing a 50% water change will do some damage to yer tank. Like, 5 gallons at a time for yer tank every 2 weeks is good enough. Specific gravity problems arent that bad, so dont worry there, unl;ess yer gravity is way too high or low. Acclimation is a nice thing to do, although Ive never done it myself, and never had problems either. Wat u do to acclimate them is get like a 5 gallon bucket, and release them in the water in their bag into that bucket. Next, you take a small airhose (about 2 feet long) and get a siphon going from yer main tank. Do this by putting one end of the hose into the tank, sucking on the other end until water comes out and let it flow into the bucket. Then, tie a slight knot in the hosing, to make the water kind of drip. This way, yer fish will slowly get used to the conditions of yer tank. Other possibilities for yer fish mortalities could be cyanide induced catching from the ocean, or just poor quality fish. Temp is okay, salt is allright, but nitrates could be a lil bit lower. Let me know how things go:joy:
 

kaiser

Member
Are you buying all your fish from the same store?
Please list all the species of fish you have attempted to put in tank.
 

greatfullreefer

Active Member

Originally posted by kia
:.I have live sand in the bottom (which I've sifted through many times to make sure there wasn't any junk underneath it.) I probably have about 15-20 pounds of live rock, a hose that makes bubbles flow to the top for looks


Never stir your sand bed it releases all kinds of nasty stuff and if you mean you have an airstone take it out they are for freshwater tanks.
 

chandler04

Active Member
Thats true about the sand bed. Stirring it up can cause all sorts of trouble. Plus, yer water changes have probably removed some benficial bacteria from the tank, trac elements as they may be called. You could have triggered another cycle, and thats why the fish are dying. Im thinking you should let the tank mature a while b4 u put in yer next fish. Alsp, wat is the problem with an airstone? Those bubble curtains actually look pretty cool, and I dont think it will be doing any harm to the tank, except adding air to the water??:notsure:
 

killafins

Active Member
the air stone will be fine,t he only thing it does is not work properly because of salt build up.
Here's a nifty thought, stop buying fish till u fix the problem!!!
Also, u payed someone to check ur nitrates? And he told u to do a waterchange, he didn't do it? Please say ur not paying him alot...
The severe water change can be a problem, when ever you do a water change the mixing of salt and water creates ammonia so that is why it is best to let it sit for a day and then add it, and why you really should NEVER do such a sever water change unless you really have to, u don't have an octopus do u?
 

kia

New Member
Anytime I've bought fish in the past they said to leave the bag sit for about 30 minutes in the tank, then dump the bag and the fish in the water, so that's what I've been doing for the past year and I didn't start having a problem till my nitrates started going up the beginning of April when everything died. At that time I had a mandarin goby, a small clown, a coral beauty angel, and a small yellow tang. The only thing that lived was my coral beauty and my fire coral shrimp,choc chip starfish, 2 little hermit crabs, and snail. That's when the guy came over, tested everything and did a partial water change but it seems like since then I can't get my nitrates back down. He said that was the only thing wrong with my water.In May, after many water changes and I added a seaclone protein skimmer (that's what the guy that came to my house told me to get) I thought I had everything under control so I bought another mandarin goby. Two weeks later he died. So I kept doing water changes probably every other week till mid June (my coral beauty was still ok along w/ all my invertebrates). I then bought a bicolor angel which nipped at my coral beauty and my scallop I guess, and he died the next week week. The bicolor last probably another week then he died too. So again I did several water changes. That's when the guy where I bought the fish told me to make sure I sifted through the sand, which I did, but I didn't see a alot of junk coming up from underneath it. I let it sit for about 2 more weeks, then bought the sweet lips and cardinal two nights ago and they are both dead.
There are 2 different places I buy from because the one closest to my house only gets about one shippment a month. The other one is who sold me the air stone and all my live rock.
Thanks for everyone's advice I really appreciate it. I just don't know what else to do. I'm at a loss
:needhelp: :needhelp: :sleepy:
 

greatfullreefer

Active Member
Step 1 get another local expert, the one your using knows very little and is giving you bad advise. You had waaayyy too many fish in that sized tank. Mandarins require a very large amount of live rock, their food source are copods and will starve without an abundent supply. Yellow tang doesnt belong in anything smaller than a 75 gallon. NEVER add the water from the bag into your tank. You seem to be accimilating your fish using the freshwater method, with saltwater you need to be more carefull, best method is to float bag for 20 mins to adjust temperature then you have to accimilate the salinity, place bag in a small pail and set up a piece of air tubing one end in the tank, tie a knot in the tube and start a slow drip syphon about i drip per 2 seconds after 30 mins increase to 1 drip per second after 30 mins adjust to slow trickle for 30 mins then remove fish and add to tank with lights OFF leave lights off untill the next day.
 

kaiser

Member
Unfortunately, Tangs and Angels aren't for 30G tanks. I'd recommend that you limit yourself to small and hardy fishy friends such as damsels, clownfish, basslets, and dottybacks. You will end up with an angry little world, but I think they'll survive.
Good luck!
 

alison

Member
:happyfish Aclimating is key. I would not go to that lfs again. They probably get fish that are not net caught and they soon die because of the cyanide they used instead of net catching them. Your doing way too much water changes. Only do like 2-3 gallon water changes every 2 weeks for your setup. You are taking out too much. Also what everyone said about fish are correct. You need to stick with the smaller fish. I would go out and get 3 damsels, to start in about a week. If they make it for 2 weeks, then in another week go and get a clown if you like them, ocelaris are hardier in my experience. Then wait a while like 2 weeks at least. Those are hardier fish to get in the beginning when you are going through a mini cycle, which sounds like you may be. Then get one more fish in a month or more to complete the tank. I would also get a grounding probe to check and see if your fish are getting electricuted by your heater or whatever. That could also be the culprit. Also, feed your fish 1 "formula 1" cube mushed up at least once daily, or feed fresh foods, or flakes, once daily or twice daily. Good luck, hope you don't have any more problems.:happyfish -ali
Ps, ro water is reverse osmosis drinking water. You can buy it from grocery stores, you just have to buy the 5 gal. jugs. That is key for saltwater tanks. After a while you probably will just buy a unit. If you don't want to do that, make sure if your using your tap water for water changes, and topping off, that you declorinate it before you put in the tank. Good luck, ali
 

jimmy g

Member
Never use Tap Water! all declorinating does is take out the clorine, it doesnt take out heavy metals, phosphates, ect. Always use RO/DI or RO water.
I agree with Killafins, Dont buy anything untill u find out whats wronge!
Buy a good book and read it, (The Whole Thing) and then ask questions here about anything that u do next, whether it has to do with testing the water, what fish to buy, feeding, ect.
Hope this helps and never be shy to ask questions.
Jim
 

rbmount

Active Member
If I'm reading this right. #1 lose the airstone, It's not needed. You are probably getting enough air in the water from the skimmer and filter running. #2 Don't mess with the sand, as stated it will mess your chemistry up by releasing nitrates back into the water. #3 Acclimate your fish properly. Look at the laft side of the page 4 tabs above the message board tab and you'll see SWF's acclimation procedures. #4 Cut down on your water changes, like chandler said 5 gallons is enough, be sure it is well mixed and the temp is the same as your main tank. And use RO/DI. If you don't have a RO unit, you can buy distilled water at the grocery store. #5 personally, I don't like damsels. They are to territorial. But if one lives, that could be your start back on the right road. In the future don't add fish that are too big for your tank. You could keep IMO 4 fish. In addition to the damsel, get a clown one week, a firefish the next, and maybe a gobie the next. I hope this helps, keep us posted.
 

chandler04

Active Member
Umm^?? Anywho, I actually use tap water, but I am lucky cuz we gots good water around me with hardly any bad elements. Fresh stuff from the mountains. Ive had no troubles with my tanks... But thats just me, im lucky i suppose. O, id also like to announce that I got my fuzzy dwarf to eat a frozen silverside today!!:D SOOO proud.
 
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