300 Reef Q

novice150

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Ok guys I feel Im running out of options here, and you all have helped a lot in the past. I apologize for the length of this post in advance. :) So here's the deal. We bought this tank (used) not quite a year ago, and the previous owner said it had been up for 10 months. I thoroughly checked out and tested the tank before buying, and it seemed great. When we moved the tank, it went through a mini cycle, which I understand to be normal. Once set up, we let the tank run for two weeks before a doing 25% water change. Then, per our lfs's instructions, we began doing 30 gal water changes every week.
Now here's the problem. We cannot seem to stop this algae growth. Since day one, we have had to clean the glass, at least 3 times a week. The sand keeps getting covered too. We have sand sifting stars, cucumbers, sand sifting gobies, hermits and all. But they cant even keep up.
I assumed that our excessive water changes, were preventing the tank from fully cycling, and getting some age under its belt. So we stopped the water changes 1.5 months ago. This has not helped.
Water parameters are as follows, P.H. 8.2, Ammonia 0, trites O, trates 35-40 ppm, temp a constant 77 deg.
Filtration, large berlin protein skimmer, 75 gal wet dry, activated carbon, several misc foam and fiber filters (cleaned weekly).
Live rock 250lbs, 2.5" live sand.
Lighting not sure on the power but, 4 pc's blue/white, 3 Mh's. PC's on for 10hrs, mh's for 8. We have tried different lighting schedules with no luck.
We have not lost any fish or corals for about 6 months. We lost a few in the beginning, and a couple jumped out (fixed that).
We do not use tap water, and I have tested our RO.
We have been adding sand (slowly) to try to get about 4-5 inches. And I plan on getting some caulpera this weekend for the sump.
I only have to clean our other 3 tanks every week or two, this tank is becoming a pain in my butt. :)
As always, any help will be greatly appreciated.
 

novice150

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Well, I only feed every other day. And only as much as the fish will eat in 5 min. ???? <img src="graemlins//confused.gif" border="0" alt="[confused]" />
 

luke

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I have to appologize for the number of possibilities I am giving you :) but here goes:
You have a number of issues to address. The trates are high, water changes will help that (if your water is good, which it sounds like it is).
The wet/dry is certainly contributing to the nitrate problem. I would start to remove bioballs (slowly). The 250lbs of lr will provide more than enough bacterial filtration.
Your light scehdule sounds fine. Although you can cut back if the algae is uncontrollable, it is certainly not a solution.
Check your phosphates (test kit is about 10 bucks). Also check your source water for them. This could be the problem too. They should be 0 (or very close).
How many snails do you have? I realize you have some janitors, but a 300 needs a heck of lot of them!
What type of bulbs are you running exactly? When they are off (and cold) you can read at least on MHs the type (the PC should say too or at least describe the color)
How old are your lights?? This can often be the problem, esecially with lower kelvin range lamps. When a 5500K has its spectrum shift it falls into algae growing territory.
Sorry for all the options :) but try to answer/ adress the questions/ problems... you should have this cleared up within a month or two.
Luke
Also, one last one, what is your alkalinity at??
 

novice150

Member
Luke, thank you for the response and the helpful hints. I knew when I wrote this post, I'd forget some things. :eek: Plus I didn't want to make it too long, but here goes....
I plan to do a 25% water change this weekend. I was reluctant to do any more as I feared I was changing too much.
I mistakenly said wet/dry, when I meant sump, and the water flows over some of the filters that are cleaned weekly. So my apologies, as there are no bio balls.
I have a phosphate kit, and they are fine.
I only have about 20-25 snails.
I will check on the wattage of the lights post again with that info.
My lights are only 10 months old.
Thanks again for the help. :D
 

luke

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Well I would venture to say you need a whole lot more snails :) I would add another 25.
I would do two smaller water changes (12.5% each) one day apart. I think that 25% is drastic for a tank that does not sound like it has many problems (other than the algea)
Your bulbs are getting old, but not so old that you have found the problem :) You will want to start changing bulbs (one a month maybe) soon.
How long has the tank been up in your home?
Also: What type of algae is it? (if you don't know a name decribe it ;) )
HTH
Luke
 

novice150

Member
Well the tank has been in our home for nearly a year. The algae is everywhere, on the glass, on the sand. Its brownish and thin. I assume diatoms. And thats why I thought I need to let it sit and stop water changes. I plan to get more snails and caulpera, this weekend. Think that'll do it?
Thanks again.
 

luke

Member
Yeah, the snails will really help with that algae. They don't do as well with slime algae and things like bubble algae, but the standard brown stuff ;) they polishout really fast. I would keep up on WCs until the trates come down. Work on getting the sand bed deeper too (as you said you were doing). Once the trates are down and the snails are in... you will be amazed at how few times you need to clean the glass.
Luke
 

marek

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lol... I don’t have algae problems like I used to. basically the solution was to skim much more, feed very little, and most importantly buy tens of mithrax sculptus (emerald) crabs and HUNDREDS OF SNAILS... YES HUNDREDS. I just add them by the hundreds now... I have all kinds of snails... I breed my own by scraping the eggs when I see them and placing them in separate tanks to grow. I have 6 different species of snails now... I have mostly Astrea and Cerith in the hundreds range. Cerith snails are really great even at taking on cyanobacteria. but interestingly, they only like to eat cyano when in grows on the live rock and hard coral bases, not the substrate... they will eat other algae’s on the substrate however (this is just my experience with them).
I wouldn't do so much water changing. your LFS was just trying to help I'm sure, but don't do so much water changes, its unnecessary at best... believe me, good skimmers do a great job in our tanks, and given you have sufficient LR, your water quality is FINE... Get hundreds of snails... don't just take the above suggestion and add another 25! find a great deal and add 250 instead. I would recommend Astrea's in the beggining, as the they can be the cheapest to find and still do a fine job in large numbers...
Take care.
 

zipperfish

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i had that same problem but in a 75gal. so i positioned a powerhead to blow across the sand and haven't had a problem since. i would suggest alot more snails.
 

jakob4001

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a lawnmower blenny might be good too;course it will only feast for period of time before it fills it belly than lightens up on it job
THE SLACKER :mad:
 

luke

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I would not add hundreds of snails!! It may very well be important to get the population up into the hundreds, but if you go put 250 snails in, and your tank only needs 175, 75 snails won't make it. They will all live for a while but then some will begin to die. I would suggest, as I did earlier to add 25 and see where you are in a week or two, then add more. As you get close to having zero algae cut down to 10 or less per time you add. This way there is no waste of life nor a waste of cash!
Technically you could dump 250 snails into a 10 gallon tank, it would be clean, but 250 would be doing the work of 4. Soon you would have 4 :)
Luke
 

novice150

Member
Thanks again guys. As far as circulation, we have 4 little giant pumps turning the water. The tank has over flows, and its sent back into the tank via 6 nozzles. Right now, we have 2 pointed high, 2 in the middle, and two towards the ground. We have two lawnmower blennies :)
I plan to get 50 snails this weekend, since we don't have many now. Then I plan to add as necessary.
 

luke

Member
Although dwarf angels do eat algea, I find them to do a poor job at "polishing" the glass like snails do. Also they can nip at corals and clams. I have had one do that to me.
Luke
 

novice150

Member
Ok guys went shopping today :) I bought 4 bags grape caulepra, 25 turbo's, 50 astrea's, 25 True Atlantic Nassarious snails, and 25 Cortez Cerith snails. Also picked up 3 queen conch's, and 3 fighting conch's. Did 10% water change, repositioned nozzles in tank, and reduced lighting to 8 hours total. If this dont work, Im gonna strap some c4 to the tank. Kidding. :) :D <img src="graemlins//eek.gif" border="0" alt="[eek]" />
 

marek

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alright man! good move, though I'm sure quite expansive, but whats new??! anyway, i hope it helps you get things under control! oh and also, easy up on the water changes... generally speaking the larger the tank, the fewer changes you need to be carrying out. in fact, I plan to be doing just a 10% once a month (if not longer!) on my upcoming 300 gal reef. but that will have awesome skimming and nearly 430 lbs of live rock and 6 inches DSB.
TAKE CARE!
 
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