60G-100g Upgrade need Some Advise

[garybusey]

Howdy! Looking for some advise on possible tank mates for my guys and what some people with had sucess with in the past! ATM I Have these in my main 60g:
-2.5-3" Bursa Trigger
-Smaller Valentini Puffer Prob 1.5-2"
-Pair of Clowns with Large bubbletip anenome. Fem Clown is fully hosting
-Some kind of Branded Goby, Unsure of name but Doesnt get picked on. Yet.
-Sea Star, Mexi Turbo Snails and some reg snails/hemits that survive are CUC
I also have a 25g Which I am going to combine into 100g (gonna use tank for Sump) Tank has:
-Dwarf Lion 1.5"ish
-Cleaner Shrimp 1.5"ish ( Was orig in Tank but Puffer hunted him to the point of death so put him in 25g to recover. Lion shows 0 intrest.
-Choc Chip Starfish
I realize the the CCS and the Cleaner are gonna get mad hassled in the 100g by puffer/trigger... I still have to make a call on that. BUT Otherwise it should work? I read dwarf lions do better with Triggers/puffers than their larger cousins with the jumbo fins but I could be reading some BS for all I know.
Also Any idea on anther fish or 2? Tank will be 100G with a 25G sump, complete with Refug ect ect. I was thinking of a Purple tang And then maybe a Dwarf Angel? I really want to keep bioload quasi normal since I plan on keeping this tank for quite awile and growing out the fish I have in it.
Any Advice/Cristisim is Welcome!
Thanks!

 

[crypt keeper]

CUC will get eaten by puffer and trigger unless you have certain shrimp. Cleaners get a free pass sometimes odd about the puffer. The lion I wouldnt risk it.
As of now you have the
Puffer
Trigger
Goby in a 100 gallon?
Id keep the dwarf in the 25 as a species only tank. He would do great in there.
The Trigger should be fine for a long time in that tank. They grow very slowly. Id get two dwarfs angels and then Tang. Theat would some activity and some color.

 

[aquapod 24]

i thought that you cant have 2 angles in a tank because they will fight?... or would they be ok in such a big tank?

 

[crypt keeper]

Its hit or miss. The bigger the tank the better the chances. I had a fully established BiColor for about 9 months then placed a flame angel in. The Flame was much smaller and I have a ton of live rock in my tank. The BiColor chased for a few days nothing major now they follow each other. You need at least a 75g tank and 80 pound slive rock. Lots of hiding places. Get one smaller than the other so it will run away not stand its ground.

 

[garybusey]

Good to know about Lionfish, I'll have to give him away however since The 25g tank he is in now, is going to be my 100G's sump. Truefully I am willing to take the chance on the Cleaner shrimp and the Starfish in the new tank even if they get eaten. But I friggin Love that lion so no way I want him getting hurt by the Trigger/Puffer. And yeah My Puffer Despises my Cleaner shrimp... My plan is to find out what Cave my trigger chooses as his home and put him in there since Trigger gets along with him great. Hopefully he will protect him from the puffer since he keeps the puffer in Line.
As for the main Tank I found out the Gobys Name, its a Banded Goby. Was 5$so figured why not, also the tank preds seem to ignore him. He is aprox 2". My Female clown picks on him alot though but I believe he can handle it from a clown haha
Also I have 2 Clowns/Bubble Tip Anenome going into the 100g as well.
As for angels Would a Bi-Color and Coral beauty combo work? I just have some large non fish bills ahead of me.... sooooo I would rather spend my fish coin on a Purple Tang! He is gonna cost enough as is... Good call on Bi-Color though, I love those guys. Which fish would be better to be the larger fish?? I am guessing Bi-color since I've heard small bi-colors are hard to keep alive?
Thanks for the Reply Crypt Keeper!

 

[skate020]

bi-color and coral beauty will work, providing you take crypts advice and add a bigger one first, then a smaller one after.
althought bi-colors can be abit aggressive, but its worth a try

 

[crypt keeper]

Heres the thing. The trigger will get aggressive and even start to eat smaller tank mates as he grows. This will take time but any slow moving smaller fish will eventually become food. Its the way of the trigger especially that family, Rhinecanthus. They grow slow but become bold and more aggressive over time. That includes the Rectangle trigger, humu humu, asassi and a few others.
I have one now with my angels and clowns. I however would never place anything smaller. I dont trust him with my clowns as he grows. He will eventually be replaced. He was an impulse buy as he was about 3/4 of an inch and cute as my girlfriend put it LOL.
When you say Clowns what type? Maroon clown fish will be better with triggers than perculas or ocellaris clownfish. Still not bullet proof.
Puffers are notroius coral eaters. If you plan on more corals get rid of him. If not he should leave the anemone alone. I said should.
The issue with getting certain fish first are aggression issues. You could get the BiColor and Coral beauty together and qt them toegther and you should have better luck. I dont see any reason it shouldnt work. Make sure you get MAC caught BiColor. You will pay more but the fish will most likely survive. Getting ahead of myself. The Tang is aggressive. He should be the last fish placed.

 

[garybusey]

Yeah I read up that the trigger gets bolder with age. I rescued him from a Buddy who had him in a Reef tank with tonnes of bite size gobys,blennies and non cleaner shrimp... Shrimp. Needless to say the reason I had to rescue him is b/c he took out about 6 fish/shrimp within 1 day. However since going into my tank he only seems to pick on CUC, spec turbo snails.
As for Clowns I have a pair and a VERY large Bubbletip anenome. The Female clown is a Large Clarki and next to trigger is the 2nd largest fish in the tank, she is only a slight bit smaller than trigger atm. Also w/e I put Krill in for feedings the female will GRAB it out of thr triggers mouth and drag over to the anenome if it hasn't been feed well enough that feeding. I am HOPING That means my trigger is a bit of a wuss since he lets it happens and just moves on to a new piece.
However my Male clown is a GOOD deal smaller than trigger... Think I should get rid of him? The 2 sleep together but most of the day he sticks to one side of the 60g and the female the other. Trigger ignores him now but who knows how long that will last. I am combing the 25g and the 60g Into the 100g on Monday so now would be the time to trade in the Male. Please don't pull any punches here, if he is gonna get eaten I want him out, I hate seeing a clown get killed (its the inner wuss in me)
AS for angels/Tang thats good about the Purple. ATM none are avail in my area and when they are they are pricey. I ahve always wanted a purple tang since I started this madness 6 years ago, So I have waited this long what's another couple months! So for angels If I am understanding you right get a Larger Coral beauty and a smaller MAC Bi-Color, Then QT em together?
Thanks for the replies!

 

[crypt keeper]

I wouldnt get a full grown dwarf angel. They don do well. Have you looked into the ebili angel? Gorgeous little guys and grow decent sized. If you want the Coral beauty I would get the BiColor bigger. Coral beauties are more aggressive IMO and IME. For the BiColor try and finmd a 2 to 3 inch sized fish. Then for the Coral beauty one of the same size or smaller. QT them together. Use a divider like the egg crate first so they can see each other. Then allow them to swim together. IN the qt make sure they are eating. Once you get them eating then dose with prazi pro. This will knock out flukes and any other common Angel parasite. Personally I wouldnt use copper I would do hypo. 4 to 6 weeks. Then they are ready.Again get them eating before dosing.
BiColors get big for dwarfs. About 5 to 6 inches. They are known to not be a very hardy fish thats why MAC caught fish are better. You can buy a BiColor for $20 at any lfs. They were probably caught with methods that dont allow the animal to survive long. I have had mine coming up on a year. MAC caught.
This will give you time to find a purple tang.

 

[garybusey]

Well been awile so figured I would update! Had some problems before the move, I quaratined the Bi-Color in a 25g with My Dorf lion befoer adding him to the 100g with the rest of teh display tank. However... I got one NASTY mac Bi-Color, He seemed to be leaving the Lion alone for awile and then out of the blue started constantly attacking him. Crappy thing was he went nuts on him one day when I was out working and Dropped the lion. Really unexpected too since My Lion had just started weining onto frozen food and was mad active.
Thennnn once everyone was in the 100g, My Puffer started to go after my Cleaner shrimp and almost killed him as well. I saved the shrimp at least and gave him to a buddy with a non-agressive reef tank.
The Bi-Color a few weeks ago started picking on fish in the 100g now! Got into quite a scrap with the Goby AND My puffer, From what I could see he def got the upper hand. But good news its the little tard decided to then pick on my Bursa trigger who VERY quickly put the angel in his place. So alls back to normal in the tank.
Now question time!
To Finish tank off fish wise I am going to go with either a Purple/Gold Stripe/Powder blue tang and then Maybe a Hawkfish. See any problems with adding those 2 fish to my existing tank?
-2.5-3" Bursa Trigger
-Smaller Valentini Puffer Prob 1.5-2"
-Pair of Clowns with Large bubbletip anenome. Fem Clown is fully hosting
-Dragon goby
-Bi-Color Angel
-Sea Star, Mexi Turbo Snails and some reg snails/hemits that survive are CUC
-Choc Chip Starfish
I attached an Amusing pic too, My Choc Chip decided to eat one of my little red starfish! Was too late to save him so figured I would just let the CC finish his meal.