a little help for someone just startingout??

eschara23

New Member
Hi! so i'm new at this and need some help ... i got a 30 gallon tank... and i have water, live sand, and liverock.... I'm debating what type of fish i want to put in there... i eventually want to put coral in... so i know they'll have to be reef safe... and i know i can't have too many... suggestions??? i'm thinking a pair of Ocellaris Clown... maybe a sixline wrasse ... i know those are reef safe... and maybe some sort of gobie? i like the mandarine green... but i know i need copapods for them to eat... so i'd have to wait til my tank was a little more established... is that too many??? i would also eventually like some sort of starfish...
 

florida joe

Well-Known Member

Save yourself a lot of aggravation. Sell the live rock back to your LFS along with the live sand if you can. Buy a good book on marine aquariums. Read and post questions on the boards pertaining to anything you don’t understand
 

eschara23

New Member
i got the LR and sand in order to start building up some bacteria and getting my water ready for fish... i know the coral isn't going to grow yet... i understand setting up the aquarium i've done some research on that... i'm just trying to get advice on fish now and what are good combos and what aren't... and i know i can't have too many in my size tank and i don't want to overcrowd it...
 

deejeff442

Active Member
the way you are going about it ,obviously you havnt done much research at all.
basic knowlage is you need at least 1 lb of rock per gallon of water.
you need to get the cycle done and that takes at least a month.
it takes a well established tank of around a year and a sump with rock to have eneough pods for a mandarin to live.
having corals has nothing to do with pods.
what filtration do you have?what powerheads do you have?corals need alot of light what light system do you have?
joe is right on the money ,get a book and read.
all your going to do is kill fish and wonder why they died.
do you have a qt tank?or you just going to keep just adding fish and not worry about disease.
the tank will need a skimmer also.
before you go ahead you need to get alot more info.
 

eschara23

New Member
I'm planning on getting some more live rock soon... and i just ordered a koralia nano powerhead... i haven't got a light yet ... i'm still trying to decide what would be a good one to get... I have a filter running... but don't have a protein skimmer... do i need one this early on? I've been getting some help and advice from my LFS... i don't have qt tank yet... do i need to get that right away?
 

deejeff442

Active Member
well this last post sounds a bit more promising.
put two nano pumps in and get the rock asap.
sounds like you are impatient which is very bad in this hobbie.
tanks need alot of flow .search sumps and fuges your tank would run alot better with a 10-15 sump with more rock rubble in it.
more water volum=more fish.
walmart has 10 gallon tanks for $10.
do you have an overflow? i am assuming you have a peguin hang on filter right?
personally i think they are useless.
i would spend the $100 on a sump tank,return pump and an overflow and with 30 lbs of rock in the dt and 10-15 lbs in the sump the setup would flourish.
a word of warning you will read alot of us on this forum with years of experience dont trust lfs.
not saying yours is bad but i would post here what they tell you and try to sell you before you buy.unbiased opinions here.
 

eschara23

New Member
i'm sorry if i'm sounding impatient... i'm leaving the country for awhile to do some missions work and want to have everything i need to get going set up before i leave so that it'll be easier on my sister... she's going to be testing my water for me while i'm gone and i don't want her to have to worry about going out and buying stuff for it while i'm gone!! i appreciate all of your help so far!
 

flower

Well-Known Member

Originally Posted by eschara23
http:///forum/post/3034008
I'm planning on getting some more live rock soon... and i just ordered a koralia nano powerhead... i haven't got a light yet ... i'm still trying to decide what would be a good one to get... I have a filter running... but don't have a protein skimmer... do i need one this early on? I've been getting some help and advice from my LFS... i don't have qt tank yet... do i need to get that right away?

First...welcome,
A good book will certainly help. VERY MUCH SO!

You have a good start. You haven't done anything harmful. Just dreaming of the near future isn't worthy of the remarks you have gotten so far. I think Florida Joe was a bit rough. He is a good guy and has lots of helpful input.
You do need some more live rock. Have a look around the forum and see what enough kind of looks like. It is hard to tell when people say pounds. You want enough rock, but room for the fish to swim too. You will have to lock your rock pieces into each other to prevent a rock slide.
You also need about a #2 Koraliia or 2 #1s, take the nano back, it is way too weak.
Corals need lots of flow to survive...the water current carries its food to them.
A satellite MH (metal Halide) light will do nicely for your size tank, and allow you to keep any kind of coral you want. Don't fudge on lighting..It is very important for corals.
Put a few raw shrimp in the tank to get it to cycle. You NEED test kits, or a Master reef or marine kit.
You need to be testing for the following:
  • PH
  • ALK
  • Cal
  • Nitrates
    Nitrites
    Ammonia
    Phosphates
Not all the tests come in a master...you may have to buy individual tests. How to do and read them are in the instructions, as well as what is the perfect numbers you should have. Mine even tells me what to do to bring a number up or down. (I use the Instant Ocean Master Reef)
You also need a hydrometer or refractometer. The later is the best. A heater as well...set it at 78 - 80 You will also need a skimmer, but not yet...To cycle the tank, your ammonia and nitrites, nitrates will go crazy and then drop to 0. Remove the shrimp and do a 20% water change and you are good to go for your new fish. This takes a while so be patient.
Please do not listen to anyone when they say you can cycle using a damsel or some other fish. That is cruel and the fish will most likely die. If not then you will be trapped with a very mean little damsel, that will kill every other fish in the tank later.
You will have an algae bloom, that is when to buy your cleanup crew (CUC) snails, hermit crabs and the like.
A QT tank is a very good idea, a 10g tank should be fine.
In the future...About a month and a half away...
If you get clowns, get the two at the same time...but do not stock your tank all at once, take things very slow. Maybe once a month add a new frag of coral or one fish. You can really stock your coral but go very light on fish
.
The above is how I would go about doing things. I am no expert... But my coral and fish are alive and healthy after 3 years, so I did something right.
 

eschara23

New Member
Thanks so much! i have a heater already... and i have my testing stuff for the things you listed too! i just bought a Koralia 400 gph... is that good? i was going to get a 265 gph but i thought the higher one would be better... i also have a hydrometer already too!
and i have some LR and then i got some other rock... not live though.... does that sound ok so far?
 

eschara23

New Member
i've been starting to test my pH and Nitrites... but since i don't really have anything in there yet... when would it be good to start checking everything else? i have test kits for everything else... i just haven't started testing it yet...
 

eschara23

New Member

here's what it looks like so far... i haven't put the power head in yet... and i can't get the background to stay up... but i just realized i'm supposed to remove the plastic so the adhesive can stick...
oops...
oh and sorry for the bad picture quality... can't find my camera so i had to use my phone!
 

natclanwy

Active Member
Ph isn't important at this point, you need to be testing ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate.
If you are planning on leaving you might be better of putting this project on hold until you get back, many people on here will tell you that just going on vacation for a week has lead to many tank disasters much less leaving for a few months.
For equipment get the powerheads in, you want to have somewhere between 20x and 30x turnover for any corals more if you want to go with SPS. So that is 600-900gph of flow in your tank. You don't need to have a protien skimmer to start with and if you decide to add one later save up for a good skimmer and skip wasting money on cheap ineffective ones that you end up replacing anyway. The amount of lighting you need will depend on the type of corals you want to keep, if you don't want limits then MH or individually reflected T5's is the way to go. For softies and most LPS PC's will be fine. Standard T5's would be better and allow you to keep any soft or LPS coral and some lower light SPS.
 

soulsigma

Member

Originally Posted by eschara23
http:///forum/post/3034021
i'm sorry if i'm sounding impatient... i'm leaving the country for awhile to do some missions work and want to have everything i need to get going set up before i leave so that it'll be easier on my sister... she's going to be testing my water for me while i'm gone and i don't want her to have to worry about going out and buying stuff for it while i'm gone!! i appreciate all of your help so far!
Please don't buy any fish if you are planning on being out of the country for awhile! This hobby requires a lot of time, dedication, commitment, research and patience.
I recommend you purchase "the simple guide to Marine Aquariums" by Jeffrey Kurtz and follow it to the "T" Jeff is some what like JOE but IMOP they come across though and harsh but in the end you will be grateful for their no-nonsense advice which will help you get off to a good start and stay in the hobby.
Now that you have some of the basic requirements you need to cycle your new tank, there is no need to take it back to the store. Get the book I recommend and following the advice and suggestions given for setting-up and starting a new marine tank and also have your sister follow along with you. Being that you will be out of the country this would be a good time to just let your new tank without any fish or coral in it complete it cycle, stabilizes and mature some what, this will also give you more time too read additional books also, so that when you arrive back home you will be ready to give this hobby your up most attention.
Follow Flowers advice for getting your tank set-up and running, put your lighting system on a timer, test all parameters daily because when cycling a new tank every thing will be all over the charts for a while before they settle down to normal. Do get your skimmer now as it will require a break-in period and will do you more good than harm. I would not advise you to add your sump until you get back into the country, for now invest in a good HOB/canister filter for your filtration. The advice I have given you will help you learn the basics and make things less complicated for your sister and may lead to her joining the hobby

Cycling a new tank properly takes time
as you will discover in the book I recommend, the time for your tank to complete it's cycle will vary, so take a deep breath, roller-up your sleeves and get your feet wet. WELCOME TO THE Hobby^ Right now just focus on getting good equipment and the tank set-up for cycling, do some reading and research and buy you some good books and magazines to take with you on your missionary trip, leave the advice you get from the lfs on this site before you purchase any thing or make any moves, also introduce your sister to this site since she will be monitoring your tank while your away so that when your algae bloom kicks in we will be able to walk her through it. For now just say NO to Coral & Fish and lets get the basics down pack.
 

deejeff442

Active Member
nano pumps are fine they are easily modified to flow more and are the only koralias that can have a rotating deflector added which is perfect for corals.
i love when newbees with a few years in think they know everything.
 
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