Acclimating a Mollie. ---> Cruel?

handbanana

Member
Well my FW Mollies keep breeding and Im running out of room in my FW 10 gal and think I read that someone here had a SW Mollie so I took one of mine, put it in a 5 gallon bucket with some fresh RO/DI and some tank water and started dripping V E R Y slowly from my SW tank. About 1 drip every 3 mins.
I started this 3 days ago. the mollie is looking good and very active. is there anything wrong with what im doing? Is it hurting the mollie at all?
Could I put her in my SW tank? The levels are good( except nitrates 20ppm)

I dont want to hurt to mollie. Thanks!!!
 

cam78

Active Member
Just sounds wrong in my opinion. If they were meant to be in salt they would be. I'm not being rude its just my opinion. Let it swim in its natural setting.
 

z06 vette

New Member
Read this article on Mollies, Guppies, Platys, Swordtails, Four-Eyed Fish (Anableps).
http://animal-world.com/encyclo/fres...ivebearers.htm
scroll down to where it says;
"Care and feeding:
Livebearers generally enjoy harder water, and will benefit from 1 to 1.25 teaspoons per gallon of non-iodized salt being added to the aquarium water. Indeed, the molly is often kept in saltwater aquariums and is considered to be a saltwater fish! Also, some of these fish like the platy, the short-finned molly, and the swordtails are cold water fish and so can be kept without heaters."
I took it out from their webpage just incase they are a competitive site.
 

teresaq

Active Member
a lot of people convert mollies. I have some converting right now. They eat algea pretty good.
T
 
you not hurting the molly, i used a molly to cycle my tank. they are a brakish water fish. mine is doing good and my salt is high now 1.025 all you have to do to convert them is just acclimation.
 

handbanana

Member

Relief! I definatly dont want to be cruel to the mollie.
Awesome. I was worried from Cams response.
This morning all my FW mollies were sleeping and the one in the bucket was swimming around much more active then it was before. Im going to put it in my SW tank.
Maybe My GSP will be next? Whatcha think?
Thanks Everybody. I was really wondering if i was tortureing the mollie.
 

reefkprz

Active Member
Originally Posted by Z06 vette
http:///forum/post/3212128
Read this article on Mollies, Guppies, Platys, Swordtails, Four-Eyed Fish (Anableps).
http://animal-world.com/encyclo/fres...ivebearers.htm
scroll down to where it says;
"Care and feeding:
Livebearers generally enjoy harder water, and will benefit from 1 to 1.25 teaspoons per gallon of non-iodized salt being added to the aquarium water. Indeed, the molly is often kept in saltwater aquariums and is considered to be a saltwater fish! Also, some of these fish like the platy, the short-finned molly, and the swordtails are cold water fish and so can be kept without heaters."
I took it out from their webpage just incase they are a competitive site.
Most mollies never see a drop of salt water in their lives they are fresh water fish there are a couple species that are found in salt water, While it can be done with most mollies it is not their natural habitat, indeed about half the specioes of mollies that are found in saltwater are simply washed out of streams during hgigh rains and eventually work their way back up stream into fresh water as they prefer it as a habitat.
 

handbanana

Member
Is there any way to get this thread deleted? Im not going to put any thing in my tank for a while untill it settles down and gets better established. proably in a few months.
I have a tiny Hermit crab anyway
 

beaslbob

Well-Known Member
No need to delete this thread. Many many newbies don't realize that mollys can be easily adapted to salt water. So instead they try more expensive "true" marine fish usually with bad results. Had they learned how to adapt a $2 FW fish to salt, aclimating a true marine fish is much easier. Plus the tank would be proven successful with fish even if "just" a molly.
FWIW, IMHO, and IME mollys do much better in a marine environment than a FW environment. I had a white cottony fungus in FW not in marine. One down side is the mollys are so peaceful that they can be picked on by the more aggressive marine fish.
my .02
 

z06 vette

New Member
Originally Posted by reefkprZ
http:///forum/post/3212161
Most mollies never see a drop of salt water in their lives they are fresh water fish there are a couple species that are found in salt water, While it can be done with most mollies it is not their natural habitat, indeed about half the specioes of mollies that are found in saltwater are simply washed out of streams during hgigh rains and eventually work their way back up stream into fresh water as they prefer it as a habitat.
I do not know about every individual mollie, but to say they don't see a drop of salt in their life might be an opinion. I do believe they are mainly brackish water fish;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mollies
Thus they do see some salt in their life spans, maybe not all species of mollies. If they can process salt water, it might be possible to acclimate them to a salinity of about 1.019 or so. I know that fish only tanks (no corals) can be setup with a SG around this level or around 1.022 without no problems.
 

handbanana

Member
Thanks Beasl,
I have the mollie in a five gallon bucket half full with SW now and it seems very happy. eats everything its givin and chases my finger around.
But now how many people are going to dissagree with what you said? I didnt Acclimate the mollie to cycle or be poisened slowly in my tank. I did it because I have about 30 of them and Figured maybe the ten gallon was a little crowded. Also Im going to be moving and I dont want to start stocking just to have the fish get stressed after being in the tank for a short while.
I figured I would let my LR "grow" and the solitary tiny hermit can do what it does. add a mollie or two for something to watch. I plan on making a ten gal for my GSP so if the Mollies get picked on they can go back with him. The mollies and GSP grew up together.

My only concern is that my tank is too new.
 

reefkprz

Active Member
Originally Posted by Z06 vette
http:///forum/post/3212687
I do not know about every individual mollie, but to say they don't see a drop of salt in their life might be an opinion. .
I didnt say none of them saw a drop I said most. and its not an opinion its actually a researched fact. I just reread that last sentance and it reads like its a snotty statement and I do not want you to take it that way, I am just trying to point out that its fact, not just my personal opinion that most mollies are freshwater in the wild and very few species live fully marine.
Quote from Neale monks article the truth about mollies.
Besides the fact that aquarium mollies aren’t any one species, muddying the waters yet further is the remarkable adaptability that mollies show in terms of environment. There really isn’t any one definitive “molly habitat”. Poecilia mexicana is found, for example, even in and around caves, where the waters are dark and rich in calcium sulphate. These cave-dwelling populations of Poecilia mexicana are pink and have relatively small eyes, but have highly developed taste receptors on the head and an enlarged lateral line system to compensate for the lack of light. Other mollies are found in estuaries and around mangroves, being well able to live in full-strength seawater without problems.
For the most part though, mollies are inhabitants of freshwater streams flowing across coastal plains. The water chemistry is typically hard and alkaline, pH 7.5 to 8.0 and hardness 15-30˚dH. Although water temperature may vary depending on geographical location, most mollies seem prefer warm water environments and are most common where the water temperature is around 25-28˚C (77-82˚F). These streams aren’t saline though, and while mollies certainly are found in brackish waters, that isn’t their primary habitat.
Mollies have been transported around the world and released into all kinds of environments. There are, for example, populations of mollies established in the marine Gulf of Thailand. Mollies have also become established in the United States in freshwater rivers and lakes far inland, where they can pose a serious threat to the survival of native fishes. In these cases, the mollies concerned are hybrids very like those kept by aquarists (in fact, in many cases they were descended from aquarium fish turned loose by careless aquarists and fish breeders). Because they are so similar to the aquarium fish, these feral mollies demonstrate quite clearly that while mollies can live in brackish and salt waters, they are just as able to survive in freshwater environments as well.
To salt, or not to salt, that is the question!
If mollies can live in freshwater in the wild, why do so many experienced aquarists recommend keeping them in brackish water? To understand this, it is important to realise that marine salt mix does more than simply raise the salinity.
Marine salt mix contains table salt plus a huge variety of other mineral salts, including a large quantity of salts that raise pH and increase hardness. The addition of marine salt to molly aquarium provides mollies with water chemistry much closer to that which they prefer and also acts as a buffer, inhibiting any subsequent water chemistry changes. Tonic salt can’t do this, because it contains nothing by sodium chloride, a chemical that doesn’t modify pH or hardness at all. An aquarist adding a certain amount of salt to the molly aquarium is effectively guaranteeing the correct water conditions without any need to mess about with pH buffers or water hardening agents.

there is more to it the whole article is quite educational. with further research you can actually find that there are several (I think three or four) species that tolerate full salt the best, while others are only able to fully thrive in fresh to brackish waters.
 
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