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calvertbill

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is to live long enough that I can buy a Tang that doesn't develop ICH. I'm 3 for 3 now. I'm soooo glad they're in QT. I'm assuming the Powder Brown will infect the Lemon Peel and Desjardinii in QT with him.
My question is: if I want to go from !.024 to 1.016 how many days should I tank to get there? I'm assuming now that a gradual drop is better than a quick one.
 
dinogeorge

dinogeorge

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Is there a reason you are only going to 0.016? If you are trying to kill ick, you'll need to get to .09.
I do it in 12 to 24 hours, depending on what fish I'm working with.
 
sepulatian

sepulatian

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Originally Posted by Calvertbill
is to live long enough that I can buy a Tang that doesn't develop ICH. I'm 3 for 3 now. I'm soooo glad they're in QT. I'm assuming the Powder Brown will infect the Lemon Peel and Desjardinii in QT with him.
My question is: if I want to go from !.024 to 1.016 how many days should I tank to get there? I'm assuming now that a gradual drop is better than a slow one.
1.016 isn't going to help your fish at all. Are you starting hypo? If so it is 48hrs to drop to 1.009. Pull out water and dribble in RO all day long. You will figure out how quickly to drop it as you start to drop the SG. Ask any and all questions that you may have! BTW, any tang that you get is likely to come in with ich. It isn't just tangs, but they get the bad reputation.
 
sepulatian

sepulatian

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Originally Posted by Dinogeorge
Is there a reason you are only going to 0.016? If you are trying to kill ick, you'll need to get to .09.
I do it in 12 to 24 hours, depending on what fish I'm working with.
That is way too fast George. You have had success with dropping it that quickly?
 
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calvertbill

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Originally Posted by Dinogeorge
Is there a reason you are only going to 0.016? If you are trying to kill ick, you'll need to get to .09.
I do it in 12 to 24 hours, depending on what fish I'm working with.
1.009!! THAT's the number I've been looking for! I've read tons about treating via hypo, but they always say something like "lower specific gravity to as low as you can"...or..."as low as the fish can stand."
The current residents of my QT are:
1 3 1/2" Powder Brown (the infected culprit)
1 3" Desjardinni Sailfin Tang
1 2 3/4" Lemonpeel Angel
They entered QT on 12/11
The QT is a 20 and I've been doing 1/2 gal. exchanges with R/O every few hours. Since about 6PM Friday the tank has dropped from 1.024 to 1.020 It's 7:15 AM
 
pastor b.

pastor b.

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Dear hobbyist , hypo is one way of getting rid of ick . But there are other ways of getting rid of ick that are not as stressful to your fish , such as putting a few drops of Kent Extreme Garlic onto their food and the ick will leave . I have a Hippo Tang that seemed to be an ick magnet,but after listening to other hobbyists who were having the same problem with their fish, their response was to try the garlic on your fishes food ,and I must say ,it truly works . I recently brought a Harlequin Tusk which looked o.k. , but after a few days the ick showed up and my cleaner wrasse tried to clean it (another way of removing ick) but the Ht wouldn't allow it ,so I started to put garlic onto its food ,and within days ,no more ick . Try it out before the hypo. And trust me all of your fish will benefit from its use , garlic strengthens your fishes immune system .
 
burch2006

burch2006

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I bought this stuff from my LFS and it was called kick ich... Worked very well and didnt harm any of my inverts it was copper free.
 
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calvertbill

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Partial, partial, little partial. Okay guys, this is about as slow as I could do it. Unfortunately the volume of water needed to affect each thousandth was increasing quite a bit toward the end. In retrospect I guess that I should have expected that. I added a little buffer to get the pH back up (the water exchanges had dropped it to 8.0).
I figure that by 8 or 9 AM I'll be able to catch that last thousandth so I can finish my Christmas shopping.
21-Dec-077 PM -- ICH on PBSG 1.024
21-Dec-0711 PM SG 1.023
22-Dec-077 AM SG 1.022
22-Dec-079 AM SG 1.021
22-Dec-071 PM SG 1.020
22-Dec-0702:30 PMSG 1.019
22-Dec-0706:30 PM SG 1.017
22-Dec-079 PM SG 1.015
22-Dec-0711:30 PM SG 1.014
23-Dec-0712:30 AMSG 1.012
23-Dec-076 AM SG 1.010
The three guys in the cell block seem to hate my intrusions into their tank, but they still make short work of a piece of algae when I drop it in the tank (I finally gave up...the first thing they do is rip it out of the veggie clip).
No sign of parasites on the other two inmates, maybe I can stop the re-infestation before the Tomont stage. That'd be sweet!!
 
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calvertbill

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I was thinking last night (I actually heard that there are guys out there that think about women instead of fish as they fall asleep, weird!) that I (this hobby IS a disease) should probably restart my ICHICUIC (ICH Intensive Care Unit Incarceration Clock). I reasoned this because until the tank achieved a specific gravity which would be lethal to the Tomonts, it would be just as if I had just discovered the infestation for the first time...the entire life cycle of the parasite could be ahead of us. Only restarting the clock will ensure that I wipe out Tomonts, Theronts, and the critters in every stage in the tank.
Make sense?
 
al mc

al mc

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Bill...Clock does start 'ticking' when you reach 1.009. I would keep it there a minimum of 21 (may be better to do 28 with tangs) days. You indicated you read up on this...most problems revolve around keeping pH up (tends to drops easily in low salt/alkalinity environment) and through evaporation having the SG creep back up..so daily (or even twice daily) top off with pH balanced RO water is essential.
 
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calvertbill

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Originally Posted by Al Mc
Bill...Clock does start 'ticking' when you reach 1.009. I would keep it there a minimum of 21 (may be better to do 28 with tangs) days. You indicated you read up on this...most problems revolve around keeping pH up (tends to drops easily in low salt/alkalinity environment) and through evaporation having the SG creep back up..so daily (or even twice daily) top off with pH balanced RO water is essential.
My tank is in Maryland, I'm Connecticut headed for Mass. The people taking care of my critters know to keep water levels up there, but I thought I'd be throwing them into overload if I had them running pH tests...it was 8.3 when I left (at 1.090).
On my way north I stopped in NJ and picked up my new MRC-CR6.
 
sepulatian

sepulatian

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A couple of things here.
hypo is one way of getting rid of ick . But there are other ways of getting rid of ick that are not as stressful to your fish , such as putting a few drops of Kent Extreme Garlic onto their food and the ick will leave
Very not true. Garlic extreme is nothing but a favor additive that will entice them to eat. It has no medicinal value at all.
Bill...Clock does start 'ticking' when you reach 1.009.
The clock does not start until ALL visible signs of ich are gone, then you start counting three weeks. The PH does tend to drop a little but usually while you are dropping the SG. Lack of synthetic salt results in a lack of buffer. It stabelizes.
 
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