Ammonia, Problems?!

luvsalth2o

New Member
I need some serious help...
This is the most mind boggling problem i have ever had happen to me.
My friend has a 55 gallon aquarium that has been running for about a year with about 10 "reef safe comminity fish" No live rock, just a couple of Orniments and crushed coral He called me one morning and said his fish had all died that morning, so the first thing that came to mind was ammonia problem. Sure enough his ammonia over time had gotten out of control and killed all his fish. So we decided to start over. We drained the tank and completely cleaned all the orniments and started over.
We Filled it with simple tap water from the sink and treated it down so it was chlorine free. Added the Magnum 350 floor canister, the live sand, and an orniement castle before adding the water.
Everything seamed to be going fine untill i went back over the next day to run a test on the ammonia. Off the charts green, so i tested the sink water. Sure enough it had a small ammount of ammonia in it. So we decided to use well water from a pet shop in the local area.
We drained the water down to the top of the live sand and removed the orniments and refilled with Well water, which when tested has perfect levels. Anyway refilled replaced orniments and pump and let it cycle again.
The next morning tested the water, still no fish or anything.
Salt water, orniments, live sand, pump, and crushed coral under the live sand.
Ammonia seamed to be fine.
So we decide to let it cycle while he is gone on a business trip for a week.
During this time there were no power outtages or anything like that.
When he got back in town; I met him at his house to tend to the aquarium. The first thing I saw was a strange pink white film on the top of the water. (Dont have a clue what that is). So I tested the ammonia, now remeber it was fine when he left since we had used well water. When I added the last test drop and shook, it immediatly went green. Ammonia was everywhere.
I have dumped bottles of ammonia remover into the tank, i have fought this stuff with everything i know to use? (Ammo Lock, Ammonia Detox, and Ammonia Remover)?
Any Advice would be very much appreciated. I mean there is no fish and we used clean water ? There shouldnt be ammonia?
Even after I treat it, it goes away on the tests but within the hour it is back just as bad?
I am stuck... I have filled my two tanks with the same well water and my tanks are running just fine...
Could ammonia stay in the crush coral and become a breeding ground for that stuff?
Becasue there is some old crushed coral underneath the live sand.
Could it be in the filter media? I changed it the first time, should I start over again and get all new stuff? (When I did change it the first time I added Ammonia chips to the canister. I thought that stuff was supose to remove it?
I am just confused becasue it will not go away, and I know it has to be comming from somewhere.
Thanks alot
LuvSaltH20
 

bgriff

Member
The first thing that came to my mind while reading your post is what are the ornaments in the tank? Could they be breaking down from age? Not sure why it would spike the ammonia levels, but it sounds like it's time for some logical reduction.
Remove the ornaments by placing them in separate containers with new clean water and test them after a while. (This process should be done for anything in the tank, keeping them out until you’re left with just the tank.)
Another concern is the Crush Coral, normally attributed to Nitrate problems, but years ago in my first attempt at this hobby, I used crush coral and after a year or so, I gave up. (Of course we didn't have all these other fangled devices that are now available for the common hobbyist either.) I never really got clear water and was always fighting to keep my levels good. (I eventually gave up and when fresh) This time around, I've used Live sand and I haven't had a problem. I would recommend removing all Crushed Coral and going with sand.
 

kindbuds2k

Member
Befor i would add them back in the tank, clean the ornaments in boiling hot water. I would also go with live sand, or just sand in general. All sand becomes live over time. Make sure to have at least a 3" layer. Get a nice DSB. Than i would add live rock, even just a few rocks is good. Plus makes for good and natural ornaments. But i like at least 1 pound per gallon. Let that cycle for about a month befor i would even think about adding any fish or invets. That would deffinitaly help your ammonia problem. Although it will spike in the begining, but will deff. drop over time. Or just try cleaning the ornaments, and getting rid of the coral and getting sand.
 

mikeyjer

Active Member
I would do exactly what the two post above have said. I would get rid of crushed coral and put in live sand. Either clean or dump those ornament. I would get some live rock to start cycling the tank with. I personally would NOT use well water. I used to live out in the country and all we had was well water. There's a LOT of mineral in well water. It's best to buy RO water from walmart's water machine. It's like 33 cents a gallon here. HE might still have something that died embedded in those crushed coral too to cause ammonia spike. Good Luck!!! :happyfish
 
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