amount of GPH for a sump to a 110

Hey guys I am fixing to buy a mag drive pump for my return line in my sump. Actually I was thinking about buying 2 one which will tee off to my refuge. So what I was wondering is what GPH should I get for each one of the two pumps? I have looked at the 700, 950 and 1200
thanks sean
 
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pa reef pig

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Sean, I think you would be ok with getting 2 of the 700gph pumps.
I think the general rule is 10Xthe tank volume = gph turn over. So a total of 1200 gph would be good. jmo
 
why waste money on two pumps??:confused: just get the 1200. then put a ball valve on it. then run it to a tee. run one line to the tank, and the other to another ball valve, then to the fuge. seems better then two pumps to me.;)
 

beerman

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I have a 110 gallon tank and I use the mag 950. If anything, it's a little too strong. I have the ball valve shut half way.
 
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alti

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i would not keep a ball valve closed half way. you could build up alot of pressure in the pump that way and either damage the pump or even worse have the hose come off when you are nopt home and flood your floor.
 

broomer5

Active Member
tableforglasses
Number ONE concern when selecting a return pump = What is your overflow rated at ???
Is it drilled tank or external U tube overflow(s)
Without this info first - the pump selection is hope and pray.
 

melbournefl

Member
Just one thing to add to broomer's post, well not add but maybe worth mentioning. Everything I've read leads me to believe there is NO harm in reducing the output of a pump using a valve, the back pressure is just like normal "head" pressure. The danger is in throttling back the "inflow" don't ever try that it's a sure way to burn out a pump.
Just my.02,
Paul
 

broomer5

Active Member
Hey Paul,
I must respectively disagree on that last statement.
It's very possible to restrict a return pump's discharge to a point where you can damage the pump.
If restricted too much - it can get hot. If it get's too hot - it can be damaged. I did this before and totally wasted a brand new Mag12 in no time at all.
Attached is the only surviving picture of my "first" attempt at building a valve manifold for my 75 reef tank.
You can only see half of my disasterous design - imagine a tee running up from what you see - with 90 degree elbows and two more ball valves ( not full port ball valves - but reduced port ball valves ).
I included a recirculation valve and tee as well - you can just see it in the picture.
As I said - this is the only photo of this contraption I have now.
Both the manifold and the photos are gone now.
I toasted the Mag12 - thermal shutoff after a few minutes of use.
Then it would cool - and like an idiot - I turned it back on and repeated this unfortunate cycle enough to fry the pump.
Not until I tested the pump in a large container of water - did I notice the "smell" of cooked electric parts.
Just wanted to toss in my bad experience - and what I learned form it :(
 

broomer5

Active Member
Guess it would help if I included the pic.
See ~ even after all these months - this manifold is still messing me up :p
 

broomer5

Active Member
tableforglasses
I'm with PA reef pig on this ...
If you figure around 1200 gph up to the display tank - I think you'll be fine.
How you do this is your choice.
(2) Mag7's would be ideal - but some folks claim to have problems with the 7's.
You could use (1) Mag12 up to display tank - and just run a small powerhead in sump to feed your refugium.
Or you could tee off the 12 for the fuge, but you'll lose some flow up to display.
Or you could do as I do and run a Mag7 and a Mag9.5 - and tee both of them off to the refugium. Run one retrun pump 24/7, and put the other on a timer. I've been running this set up for almost a year now without a hitch.
On the plus side - if one of my pumps craps out - I still keep plugging along until I can replace the pump.
It also gives me changes in water circulation - high/low flow conditions. I like to keep things changing in the display tank.
Anyway you feel is the best is what you should do - and remember - you can always change it later.
 
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