Originally Posted by
TheClemsonKid
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$127 billion dollar surplus to $482 billion dollar deficit.
If you can explain how that happened without government spending, then I will gladly take my questions and comments off the table.
Just because 43 spent money on a war, and not rebuilding some bridges, doesn't mean he wasn't spending money.
On top of that, the only people who benefited from that, were a bunch of Iraqi's who for the most part can't stand us anyways (Ask any vet, they'd be happy to tell you) and a lot of private contractors.
Again, maybe I don't see the "big picture", or maybe you just see something that isn't there...
Here is what you aren't factoring in and not seeing. Not as if I am going to change your mind because you have never oce saw a single point anyone has made from our side of the aisle as valid. But here it is. what you do with it is your business.
Clinton did NOT have a 9/11 style attack cripple the economy at the beginning of his watch. that was action number one.
Clinton did NOT have a natural disaster of the epic proportions of Katrina which the government helped rebuild.
Clinton DID NOT send 50 billion a year to africa to fight AIDS and the epidemic there.
Clinton DID NOT fight terrorism in any form or fund the military.,
So what I see is a former president that cut military funding, making us vulnerable to attacks in an effeort to create a leagcy for himself. What is his legacy? His legacy is he created a surplus for 1 year. big whoopteedo. It was his last year so it didn't matter the reprecussions to himself, he wasn't running for reelection, so sure secure his legacy.
I see a former president that talked about compassion and global humanity a lot but did nothing about it, where as bush actively funded a group of people not a part of this country to hopeful see that they live a better/safer life through the AIDS aid.
Now with that said, let's run some numbers between Bush 43 and Obama.
The cost of just the Iraq war has been a bit over 600 billion through the end of Bush's term.
The money bush allocated to go to new orleans and the gulf rebuilding was 116 billion dollars.
The cost of the afghanistan (including rebuild and such) is roughly 2 billion a month.
Take all these costs away, and Bush's budget deficit is nearly wiped out.
Disasters come and go, wars will end. This is a fact...these aren't permanent long term costs.
Now Obama in just 100 days has tripled bushes deficit in 100 days. Through government funded programs. Show me a government program that received large amounts of funding that has EVER gone away. My problem is not the initial spending on things such as these, but the FACT we will spend on them each year from here on out.
Factor in Bush cut taxes across the board. Obama will have NO CHOICE but to raise EVERYONE'S taxes, those of us that pay anyway. So what am I doing? holding my money for the tax man instead of buying something at the moment, because it will come. It has to. A lot of people I know are doing this...which doesn't help the economy now does it?
The other thing, this "rebate" we get on our checks of 13 dollars a week is just a "loan"...we still get taxed the same rate so if we owe money that 13 dollars in factored in. If we usually get back money, we get back less, because we got that 13 dollars a week ahead of time.....so he didn't do anyone any favors....he basically gave us money were going to get anyway or basically gave us a loan we have to pay back in the form of taxes at the end of the year.
So do you see the difference yet? Didn't think so.
Darth (Had some time to kill) Tang