Australian dottyback VS Mantis shrimp?
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rcdude1990
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wow i suggest u take that out right away jus yank it out of there if its attached to some LR take it out and flush the thing itll b worth messing up ur LR for
i heard that they can break the bottom of ur tank because to catch there prey they do some body slams to the prey to kill it this is wat i heard so yea might as well tank it out
i heard that they can break the bottom of ur tank because to catch there prey they do some body slams to the prey to kill it this is wat i heard so yea might as well tank it out
nigerbang
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fishy..you still havnt caught it...sounds like your getting dicouraged..I can imagine you with camo on, face painted sitting in the dark with a net...waiting...waiting..hmm you tried the trap I'm sure..no luck? Only think I can think of is pulling the rock...watch your hands..those things are nasty from what I hear..
fishy7
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No still have not caught the thing.
I am super pi##$d. So NOW it has come to yanking the rock. I am prepared but am concerned about a couple things......
Water quality---what will happen?
My Anemones. :thinking:
I am planning one last try to coating the entire SB with pantyhouse.
I am super pi##$d. So NOW it has come to yanking the rock. I am prepared but am concerned about a couple things......
Water quality---what will happen?
My Anemones. :thinking:
I am planning one last try to coating the entire SB with pantyhouse.
nigerbang
Active Member
If you can find out where it hide..most of the time they stay in 1 spot..They have been known to break fingers..(happened to my neighbor) take that one rock out and try to get him out...if you cant you might have to bust the rock...not a good option but better then him killing everything..as far as H2O...As long as its not out of the water a long time it should be okay I would think..
iluvswfish
Member
They have been documented to break 1/4" thick glass. If you can find which rock he's in and can reach it, take the rock out and put it in a sepearate container. Then pour some seltzer on it and watch him come scurrying right out into the container. Then put the LR back in your tank asap to minimize any die off. Watch your fingers though.
cagrn
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This may now be one ofthe most infamous mantis shrimps of all time. If you can control yourself if and when you catch it, you will likely have many offers. The highest bid could help you pay for a replacement fish or two.
After reading both threads, I don't think anyone will blame you though if you cannot control yourself.
After reading both threads, I don't think anyone will blame you though if you cannot control yourself.
Good luck with the mantis, taking that much rock out cant be fun.
bojik
Member
Originally Posted by FISHY7
No still have not caught the thing.
I am super pi##$d. So NOW it has come to yanking the rock. I am prepared but am concerned about a couple things......
Water quality---what will happen?
My Anemones. :thinking:
I am planning one last try to coating the entire SB with pantyhouse.
Might be worth it to buy a big enough slurp gun for him.
No still have not caught the thing.
I am super pi##$d. So NOW it has come to yanking the rock. I am prepared but am concerned about a couple things......
Water quality---what will happen?
My Anemones. :thinking:
I am planning one last try to coating the entire SB with pantyhouse.
Might be worth it to buy a big enough slurp gun for him.
joshd123
Member
: The sun lights the shallow seafloor off the coast of Bali. About 10 yards (10 m) down, an emerald-green body roams the bottom with blue eyestalks extended and green antennae waving. The hungry peacock mantis shrimp spots prey; she cocks her red, hammer-like forelimb — ready.
A small, creamy, brown-spotted snail (confident within his thick spiral shell) inches along the seafloor in his slow-one-footed way. The predator closes fast, and hovers above the snail. The mantis shrimp (who isn't a shrimp) releases her spring-loaded hammer-like claw; it flashes forward — too fast to see — in an underhand blow that smashes the snail's shell with a loud bang.
Courtesy of Roy Caldwell, copyright, used with permission
The black circle indicates the location of the mantis shrimp's special saddle spring, limb lock, and limb hinge. The mantis shrimp's two eyes gaze out at the top of the picture. Her long, hammer-like claw swings forward, breaking glass in Caldwell's aquarium.
The speed of the strike (up to 50 mph, or 23 m/s) creates cavitation bubbles between the shrimp's hammer-like heel and the struck snail. The bubbles collapse, and generate heat, light, and sound. The shell shatters with a flash too-fast-to-see, and a bang. Watch the flash (called shrimpoluminescence for another species) in the video, slowed by a factor of 900. (Courtesy of Sheila Patek, Wyatt Korff and Roy Caldwell/UC Berkeley) Though the mantis shrimp's tough heel is impregnated with hard minerals, still she must shed the pitted, damaged surface every few months, and grow new heel armor.
Yes! Certainly, a mantis shrimp (more elegantly known as a stomatopod) can break aquarium glass.
"There are a half dozen species capable of breaking a standard glass aquarium," says biologist Roy Caldwell a professor at the University of California at Berkeley. Including, of course, the peacock mantis, which gets about 7 inches (17 cm) long.
Caldwell, S.N. Patek and W.L. Korff discovered how the mantis shrimp generates such powerful blows. It isn't muscle power alone. In fact, the mantis shrimp (a crustacean, distantly related to lobsters, crabs and shrimp) needs 470,000 watts of power per kilogram of muscle to do the job — orders of magnitude higher than the fastest-moving muscles can deliver. The creature's weapon needs much energy delivered fast.
So, how does she do it? She stores the energy, and then releases it in a flash like a sprung jack-in-the-box. Clever. The animal latches the hammer limb so it can't move. She contracts her muscle as much as she can (compressing the jack-in-the-box). This much stored energy could hurt her limb, but doesn't because of another clever device.
Mantis shrimp have evolved a special saddle-shaped spring that, due to its shape, can distribute huge loads over its surface without buckling or failing. See circled area in the second figure and the next figure, which shows the saddle and the modeled spring. When she frees her latched limb and spring, she releases the stored energy fast, and the red, hammer-like claw lashes out at blinding speeds, smashing her hapless prey.
Courtesy of Roy Caldwell, copyright, used with permission
The top drawing shows the actual saddle-like structure of the mantis shrimp's leg that acts like an extremely tough spring. The bottom drawing shows the modeled spring.
Back to breaking glass. When mantis shrimp dig on the seafloor and run into an obstacle, they strike it to try to break it and remove the obstacle, says Caldwell. So, typically, when an animal starts digging in an aquarium corner, she encounters glass. This "usually leads to their whacking the glass, chipping it, and just causing a leak." A few mantis shrimp though, over the years, have shattered the aquariums. "This usually happens when they attack their reflection or when they try to hit a teasing finger waving at them through the glass."
A small, creamy, brown-spotted snail (confident within his thick spiral shell) inches along the seafloor in his slow-one-footed way. The predator closes fast, and hovers above the snail. The mantis shrimp (who isn't a shrimp) releases her spring-loaded hammer-like claw; it flashes forward — too fast to see — in an underhand blow that smashes the snail's shell with a loud bang.
Courtesy of Roy Caldwell, copyright, used with permission
The black circle indicates the location of the mantis shrimp's special saddle spring, limb lock, and limb hinge. The mantis shrimp's two eyes gaze out at the top of the picture. Her long, hammer-like claw swings forward, breaking glass in Caldwell's aquarium.
The speed of the strike (up to 50 mph, or 23 m/s) creates cavitation bubbles between the shrimp's hammer-like heel and the struck snail. The bubbles collapse, and generate heat, light, and sound. The shell shatters with a flash too-fast-to-see, and a bang. Watch the flash (called shrimpoluminescence for another species) in the video, slowed by a factor of 900. (Courtesy of Sheila Patek, Wyatt Korff and Roy Caldwell/UC Berkeley) Though the mantis shrimp's tough heel is impregnated with hard minerals, still she must shed the pitted, damaged surface every few months, and grow new heel armor.
Yes! Certainly, a mantis shrimp (more elegantly known as a stomatopod) can break aquarium glass.
"There are a half dozen species capable of breaking a standard glass aquarium," says biologist Roy Caldwell a professor at the University of California at Berkeley. Including, of course, the peacock mantis, which gets about 7 inches (17 cm) long.
Caldwell, S.N. Patek and W.L. Korff discovered how the mantis shrimp generates such powerful blows. It isn't muscle power alone. In fact, the mantis shrimp (a crustacean, distantly related to lobsters, crabs and shrimp) needs 470,000 watts of power per kilogram of muscle to do the job — orders of magnitude higher than the fastest-moving muscles can deliver. The creature's weapon needs much energy delivered fast.
So, how does she do it? She stores the energy, and then releases it in a flash like a sprung jack-in-the-box. Clever. The animal latches the hammer limb so it can't move. She contracts her muscle as much as she can (compressing the jack-in-the-box). This much stored energy could hurt her limb, but doesn't because of another clever device.
Mantis shrimp have evolved a special saddle-shaped spring that, due to its shape, can distribute huge loads over its surface without buckling or failing. See circled area in the second figure and the next figure, which shows the saddle and the modeled spring. When she frees her latched limb and spring, she releases the stored energy fast, and the red, hammer-like claw lashes out at blinding speeds, smashing her hapless prey.
Courtesy of Roy Caldwell, copyright, used with permission
The top drawing shows the actual saddle-like structure of the mantis shrimp's leg that acts like an extremely tough spring. The bottom drawing shows the modeled spring.
Back to breaking glass. When mantis shrimp dig on the seafloor and run into an obstacle, they strike it to try to break it and remove the obstacle, says Caldwell. So, typically, when an animal starts digging in an aquarium corner, she encounters glass. This "usually leads to their whacking the glass, chipping it, and just causing a leak." A few mantis shrimp though, over the years, have shattered the aquariums. "This usually happens when they attack their reflection or when they try to hit a teasing finger waving at them through the glass."
fishy7
Active Member
Originally Posted by cagRN
This may now be one ofthe most infamous mantis shrimps of all time. If you can control yourself if and when you catch it, you will likely have many offers. The highest bid could help you pay for a replacement fish or two.
After reading both threads, I don't think anyone will blame you though if you cannot control yourself.
This is a great idea.
I have control and would love to see this guy go down in flames
but I have been tracking this guy for months now and I am ready to get him out. Remember that game hot potato, it is just a matter of time before I have REAL big issues. A fish or two is nothing compared to all the other things that can happen. There are many possibilities just do not want to find out the hard way.
One other thing came up during all my reading..... They say a pistol shrimp will click one's and two's wheres a mantis will do a series. Mine does one's and two's. I do not see a pistol with all the death I have experienced. :thinking:
I also had a thought..... These guys need a certain amount of iodine in the tank for molting, what about removing the iodine completely? Will this make a difference?
OHHHH WELLLL back to the drawing board.
This may now be one ofthe most infamous mantis shrimps of all time. If you can control yourself if and when you catch it, you will likely have many offers. The highest bid could help you pay for a replacement fish or two.
After reading both threads, I don't think anyone will blame you though if you cannot control yourself.
This is a great idea.
I have control and would love to see this guy go down in flames
One other thing came up during all my reading..... They say a pistol shrimp will click one's and two's wheres a mantis will do a series. Mine does one's and two's. I do not see a pistol with all the death I have experienced. :thinking:
I also had a thought..... These guys need a certain amount of iodine in the tank for molting, what about removing the iodine completely? Will this make a difference?