Auto-topoff design

darknes

Active Member
I came across a cheap design for an auto-topoff on the web, and built it the other day and it works great! I don't see any way that it can fail and overfill the tank! I just thought I'd share it with you guys.
What I did was ran an air line from an air pump to a gas tank stored under my fishtank. Then, a line is run from the bottom of the gas tank to the fishtank. I bought a digital timer, set to run the air pump one minute every twelve hours. The air pump then pressurizes the gas tank, which forces the water from there into my fishtank. I don't see any way this can fail, and when I need to fill the gas tank, I just unscrew the lid, and pull it out!
 

900dublr

Member
you might wanna watch it for a few days. Evaporation isnt to consistant so if your tank doesnt lose any water one day u may over fill it. 1 minute of pumping isnt a lot of water so it might work ok.
 

scgator

Member
Darkness,
Have you tried it yet? I saw the same plans and am trying it now. the only problem is getting the water to go up to the tank. It gets about 3/4 to the top and won't go any further. I think the problem might be the pump is too small. What size pump are you using?
Scgator
 

darknes

Active Member
scgator, it's not a real large pump that I'm using...what are you using to hold the water?? Make sure that it's not leaking any air. If it's not, your air pump may not be large enough.
 

daveb

Member
I have been using that system for several months now.. I have a float switch though, that turns the air pump on and off when the level in the tank drops... I wired the float switch into the extension cord that runs the air pump. It works flawlessly...
I use a five gallon water container, and only have to refill it every three days.. when the air pump goes on, it only pumps a few ounces of water at a time, and goes on and off many many times a day.... so I am never adding more than a few ounces of top of water at a time.. even if for some reason the air pump stayed on until the five gallons ran dry, it is not enough to overflow my tank....
I would reccomend this type of top off to anyone, and there is really no limit to the size of the water container you can use, but if you go too big, you might need more than one air pump to pressurize it enough to pump water to the tank...
Dave
 

6stokes

Member
Dave, what is the brand and model of your pressure switch and how did you mount it and protect the electrical connections from the water?
 

daveb

Member
I bought several float switches from the source which you can find by doing a net search for floatswitchs.net ....
I bought four of them, and am completely satisfied. They are only 6 bucks a piece.. I built a small housing out of PVC to house the switch. The switch is reversable so that floating up will either turn on or off the air pump, so I set one for level control, and one to shut off the air pump if the level should rise too high... Then wired in the two float switches to an extension cord that goes to the airpump. The high float switch is always on unless the level gets too high, and the low float switch is always off , until the level drops below my desired tank level.
This has worked flawlessly now for several months, and my tank level does not fluctuate more than 1/16th of an inch.
I have two spare switches just in case, but so far have not needed to use them..
I have never sat and timed it exactly, but I would say that the air pump turns on and off between two and three times an hour during the day when my lights are on and evaporation is at its peak, and maybe once every two hours during the night...
I have a Refugium that sits on a ledge next to and above my tank that the top off water feeds to. My refugium is fed by a pump in the main tank at 250 GPH, and gravity flows back to my main tank. The 5 gallon tank that holds the top off water sits next to the Refugium and the air pump only has to pump the water up about 14" to feed into the Refugium. The air pump I use also has a varible control and two outlets, which are both hooked up to the line that pressurizes the container that holds the top off water.. by adjusting the air pump, I can control the flow from the top off water container to the Refugium also. I have found however that it works find on the highest setting, but when I set it up, I thought that might be too much flow.. it is not, the air pump never stays on more than 30 seconds..
I also happen to have an Eheim Wet Dry model 2229 which actually raises and lowers the level of my main tank as it fills and empties back into the main tank, so the air pump always goes on and off also based on the operation of the Eheim. When the Eheim fills, the main tank is at its lowest point, that is when the air pump comes on. As the Eheim starts pumping back into the main tank, the level rises and shuts off the air pump.
I am not sure how much different this setup would be in a main tank where the level stays static. I would imagine the airpump would stay on longer because it would not shut off until the level of the tank rises to close the float switch, but in my case, when the Eheim fills, the level of the main tank drops anyway, but when it needs top off water it drops lower and turns on the air pump. As the Eheim pumps water back to the main tank of course, the float switch rises and shuts off, much quicker than it would in a tank with a static level.
I was going to move the Eheim to my sump actually, but after thinking about how this works so well, I have decided to leave the Eheim in my main tank and hide the intake for the Eheim in a sort of in the tank overflow box to protect any livestock from getting sucked up into the Eheim intake. I almost lost my Anemone to that once.
So, while my setup is not going to be typical, I still think it will work quite well on any tank... and the whole thing only cost me less than $35 including the four float switches.. The only difference being that in a tank that has a static water level, the air pump will probably stay on quite a bit longer to raise the level of the tank enough to raise and close the float switch...
Hope this was not too confusing....
Dave
 

daveb

Member
The switches can be found by searching for floatswitches.net , can't believe I spelled that wrong LMAO
Dave
 

6stokes

Member
Thanks Dave, I'm going to give this a try, been procrastinating for too long now. Just curious why you're using two switches for controlling. Why not just one? Also, do the electrical connections stay dry without any worry of them getting wet?
 

daveb

Member
I use two switches because if one fails, the other one will prevent overflow...
The electrial connections stay dry because they are not near the water. The float switch is made to be in the water, and the wiring from the switch to the extension cord is out of the water, even though I do use that liquid electrical tape to cover the splice into the extension cord..
Dave
 

squidd

Active Member
All that stuff sounds expensive and complicated...:thinking:
Have you looked at a Gravity fed..(no Air pump ) and Float "Valve" controled (no electronic "switching") system...
Bucket only needs to be "slightly" higher than tank or sump to produce flow...
Same 5 Gallon "safety factor" and with RO top off water float valves are as reliable as complicated "switching devices...
Whole thing...Less than $20...:joy:
 

darknes

Active Member
The reason I chose not to do the gravity fed system, was I didn't want a bucket of water sitting above the tank.....this way I can hide it under my tank
 

squidd

Active Member
Agree...
Options for that are under tank/stand and feed to sump..
Or Bucket can be placed in a closet, behind a wall, in attic or upper level, garage, anywhere that it sits "higher than" the tank level and a longer "feed line" can be run...
 

daveb

Member
the only reason I went with the airpump is because I found the electric float switch for 6 bucks, and had the airpump for free.. so I figured why not use it.
Dave
 

6stokes

Member
I'm with Dave, and I don't have a sump yet, so his method works best for me. And, I believe it won't cost more than about 40 bucks even if I have to by everthing new.
 

darknes

Active Member
I think Dave's design may be better than mine; I paid 14 dollars to buy a digital timer, which I still have to tweak all the time, and he paid 6 for the float switch that doesnt need any adjusting..
I think I'm probly going to try the float switch!
Dave, what kind of container did you use for the tank???
I used a red plastic gasoline container (new of course), because it can withstand the pressure without leaking, and the way the cap screws off, it doesn't twist the tubes up (the tubes go through the cap).
 

daveb

Member
I use a five gallon water bottle for a water cooler, with a rubber stopper I made that fits tight. The pressure is not really all that much if you put it where it doesn't have to pump the water more than two feet UP.. but a gas can works fine I am sure.. I think going much larger than a five gallon would be a problem, because the volume of air it would take to pressurize it when the water level in the container drops would be prohibitive unless you have a very powerful air pump. The nice thing about this system for me is that I can go away for five days without worrying. I am also considering buying a second bottle and airpump so I can get by without having to even refill the water for over a week...
Dave
 
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