Bangaii Cardinal dying

shista

Member
Hi everyone, i bought a bangaii cardinal about a week ago.. I have tryed feeding him marine cuisine, emerald entree, krill, bloodworms, brine, pellets, but he does not eat. He has only taken ONE bite of brine shrimp during one of the nights. This morning when i turned the lights on his fins were all torn up. He looks so bad, my cleaner shrimp looked like he was messing with him a little bit last night but it was nothing serious. Hes breathing heavy now. How can I get the bangaii to live? there is almost no way he will eat now. Nothing in the tank seems to pick on him. would a cleaner shrimp really do that?
Tank 44 gal
amm-0
trite-0
trate-10
ph-8.0 (a little low)
2 percula clowns
sixline wrasse
royal gramma
cleaner shrimp
pepp shrimp
15 blue leg hermits
 

monsinour

Active Member
My PJs love to eat mysis. Not sure if there is that much of a difference between the 2. My PJs also eat brine and once in a while they eat the mysis feast. My Pjs eat whether it is morning or night. If his fins are torn up, something else (not the shrimp) is picking on him. My guess from your stock list would be the 6-line.
 

shista

Member
he died as of this morning.....
I dont know why he wouldnt eat..I would love to get another one, but dont want to repeat this
 

1guydude

Well-Known Member
maybe get a pair? I argree its prob ur wrasse that was beatin on him lol...could be the royal gamma though too. My six-line chases my chromis sometimes!
 

btldreef

Moderator
I could almost guarantee your wrasse was the culprit. Six Line wrasses are notorious for picking on fish that are added to the tank after them. This is why it is suggested to make a six line wrasse the last addition to a tank. I've had them kill fish on me as well. You'd be surprised what those tiny fish can take down. It could have been your gramma, but my money would be on the wrasse. Was the wrasse the newest addition before you tried the cardinal?
With Bangaii Cardinals, captive breed specimens are far easier to keep than wild caught. Many people think this has to do with collection methods.
They can thrive singly in a tank, but many note that they do better in pairs. Do not keep an odd number of these fish. Unlike PJ cardinals that will form small groups, Bangaiis form pairs and will beat on a weaker fish that is not paired, and often kill it. Try not to buy a Bangaii (or any fish) without seeing it eat first, and with Bangaiis, really try to find a captive breed or tank raised specimen.
In your situation, you really are probably going to need a pair. The wrasse should be less aggressive towards a pair than he would be with just the one.
It would be a good idea to set up a quarantine tank. Besides the obvious disease and parasite reasons, a QT allows you to make sure the fish eats. You could also use it as a "time out" for the wrasse. Take the wrasse put, add new fish, allow them time to acclimate and find a territory, and then add back the wrasse. The wrasse will have to readjust to the tank and find a new territory again and thus usually makes them less aggressive. Six lines are terribly hard go catch though.
As for the shrimp "messing" with him, he was probably trying to clean his wounds. He may also have had a parasite (ich) that the shrimp was trying to eat. If he never ate, he may very well have had a parasite. I highly doubt the shrimp killed him.
 

shista

Member
thank you all.. I am almost positive it was the gramma.. He was the only fish that picked on him a little bit in the beggining. So would you guys recommend buying a pair of tank raised bangaii cardinals and trying it out again? I asked my LFS if it was wild caught and they said they didnt know!! $15.99 for each, i assume it was wild caught.
 

btldreef

Moderator
If they didn't know, a) probably was wild caught and b) might be time to find another store. Wild and tank raised are usually close in price, so that can not really be used as an indicator with these guys. Some places will hike the tank raised price, but for some reason Bangaiis whether tank or wild just font change in price too much.
Royal grammas can be bullies. Might want to use the time out of it instead if the six line.
Yes, you'd probably have better luck with a pair.
 

monsinour

Active Member
If your near me, there is a local breeder of these guys and HPC gets quite a few in from time to time.
 

shista

Member
okay thank you guys. im gonna look into making sure i find tank raised ones. I was still hoping to add more fish in the future, and did not want to add to the bioload so i would only want to get a pair of bangaiis if helps alot.
 
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