beth, please?

wrassecal

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could you please check my post on q tank set-up? I may be a little confused too. I guess mine is really a h tank since I'm going to put my fish with ich in it and do hypo. I'm waiting 3 - 4 days to put my fish in in case of ammonia spike. I used main tank water and exact same temp and one piece of live rock about 3 to 4 lbs. 20 lb tank should I put them in already? They are still in main tank and I'm using garlic soak while I wait to put them in h tank. I would appreciate your take on this, thanks, Debi
 

beth

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Well, how many fish are going in it? Saying that, it doesn't really matter except that you can’t over crowd the hospital tank just like you can’t overcrowd the main tank. Waiting a few days is not going to matter because the tank is new anyway, even with the water and live rock it is not going to complete a cycle in just a few days. The minute you load it with fish, it is going to potentially get thrown into a cycle. You will have to make sure that that doesn't happen.
You are treating ick, correct? In which case, you can not leave the LR in the tank once you begin to lower the salinity in the tank. In order to prevent a cycle, be prepared with lots of well-mixed salt water to do water changes every day. Also be prepared to siphon off any uneaten food that settles on the bottom of the tank [again every single day]. The longer you wait to begin treatment, the less chance your fish have of surviving the disease. They can succumb to bacterial infections in addition to the parasites just because their immune system is compromised.
Thus, begin the treatment, and don’t allow your tank to cycle. Water quality will be just as important as the treatment itself. Be sure to ready your ammonia and nitrite test kits, and test daily. Don’t wait for signs of a cycle to do a water change. Change out at least 2 gals a day. If you want, you might be able to find a bacteria in a bottle product at the LFS, and you can use this to push the age of your tank a bit. If you use this, however, be sure to get a product that has an expiration date on it, one that has not expired!
In lieu of LR you will have to place comfort zones in your hospital for your fish, whether this be PVC pieces or fake rocks. This, too, is important. BTW: Did you paint the bottom of your tank black? What are you doing for the bottom of the tank?
 

wrassecal

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OK, let's see 3 fish are going in, tang - 3inches, small gramma3/4 in (hope we can catch her) and pygmy rusty angel 2 inches, that's why I bought the 20. Um no, I didn't put anything on the bottom, it does not look reflective though. I bought a bag of saltwater mix tonight and I'm planning 2 gal water change every day, I'm thinking I should not use the light.Can I run to PetSmart and just get some cheap fake stuff for hiding etc? and I'm going to have to take that salinity down to 1.009 over 48 hours so will use water changes to do that right? <img src="graemlins//confused.gif" border="0" alt="[confused]" />
 

beth

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Yes, to all of the above, but don't forget those test kits! Don't assume that just because you are going to do 2 gal water changes that everything will be ok. You must test that water daily to ensure that the tank does not go into a cycle. You must have water pre-mixed and ready to move at the first sign of ammonia.
Stressed fish do better wo intense lighting, but don't leave them in the dark either. Normal house lighting during the day will be fine.
***** fake rocks...hmmm. I've never been to a ***** before so I don't know what type of rocks you are referring to. If they are the painted fake ceramic rocks used in FW tanks, I'd day no--as the paint my be toxic to SW fish or may chip off. If the fake rocks are labeled for SW tanks, then fine. You can do just as well with PVC, however, and its cheaper!
 

wrassecal

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OK, everything is ready just need to catch the fish and get em in there. That gramma's going to be hard to catch! I have the tests kits already. What do I do if ph drops? How do I raise it?
 

wrassecal

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Now I'm reading the posts on three stages of ich and I still have a royal gramma and tom clown in my main tank who do not show signs of ich. when I set up the h tank using yours and Frank's advise and I'm going getting h tank down to .009 I used main tank water so I ended up with a 16 gal water change in main tank. I'm still soaking in garlic for fish in main tank and in h tank. I lost the pygmy angel fish yesterday while getting all this going (I think that fish brought the ich in the first place a few weeks ago, no I didn't have a q tank) So are you saying i have ich floating around in main tank? My other fish are still at risk? How long do I have to watch them? What if one of them gets spots? I can't just drop them in the h tank with .009 can I?
 

beth

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YOU MUST treat ALL fish. All fish are potential carriers and the tank is contamonated. The tank must remain fishless for 1 mo in order to ensure effective treatment. Put all fish in the hospital tank.
You use a pH buffer to stablize the PH as you lower the specific gravity of the water. Again, this requires a pH test kit.
 

wrassecal

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OK, but I don't know if we can catch the gramma, hinding in caves and all. I have sg down to 1.014 in h tank now so I can put them in that, they are currently in 1.020. then keep taking it down to 1.009?
 

beth

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You must get the gramma out or this whole process will be futile.
Also, let me clarify. All fish in the hospital tank needs to start at normal SG...1.023 or whatever is in your main tank. Then, gradually, in the the hospital tank, you lower the SG. You can not just dump fish into hyposaline water or they will go into shock and you will loose them. That includes the gramma.
 

wrassecal

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If the spots are gone does that mean that the ich is in "free floating"phase and they are no longer infected, however could be re-infected if I don't wait out the cycle?
 

wrassecal

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OK - I did all the stuff got the fish in the h tank by Feb 25th, started lowering salinity etc. Then I got called out of town on business for 5 days and didn't have anybody to do more than feed my fish. So I ended on up Feb 26th middle of the night, putting them back in main tank and went out of town totally expecting my fish to be dead when I returned ( my poor sister had instructions on feeding and dead fish removal)I got home and all 3 fish are still eating fine, acting fine and no one even got sick much less died. The yellow tang and the gramma still have a few white spots on their fins just like they had before, maybe a few less. Question is do they really have ich? Wouldn't they be sick by now, this has been going on about 3 weeks total by now. BTW, I have to go back out of town in 2 weeks. <img src="graemlins//confused.gif" border="0" alt="[confused]" /> <img src="graemlins//confused.gif" border="0" alt="[confused]" /> <img src="graemlins//confused.gif" border="0" alt="[confused]" />
 

wrassecal

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Thanks Ed and I understand all that, but my main question is wouldn't my fish get sick by now if they had ich, start scratching, losing appetitie, hiding, some sign of distress? some sign of illness other than a couple white specks on their fins?
 

wrassecal

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they look like small grains of sand, white, on back fin and side fins(sorry don't know proper words for "side" fins)of tang and on back fin of gramma, tang has a couple spots on side fins and a couple on back fin, gramma has 3 on back fin. Sometimes they do have a few more on the fins but I haven't been able to observe any other symptoms whatsoever in the three weeks. I study them with my magnifying glass and I watch them pretty often, morning, afternoon and evening and check on them when lights out just to try to catch them acting "funny" Tomato clown has never had any spots at all.
 

beth

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DAB this problem has been going on so long that I can't even remember what the original posts said. If all you are seeing is a couple of parasites, and if that is all you have ever seen, then you might be dealing with a different type of parasite.
Could you review what the orginal sysmptoms were? Have you seen an all-out infestation of ick on the fish or not?
 

wrassecal

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Originally posted by DAB:
<strong>they look like small grains of sand, white, on back fin and side fins(sorry don't know proper words for "side" fins)of tang and on back fin of gramma, tang has a couple spots on side fins and a couple on back fin, gramma has 3 on back fin. Sometimes they do have a few more on the fins but I haven't been able to observe any other symptoms whatsoever in the three weeks. I study them with my magnifying glass and I watch them pretty often, morning, afternoon and evening and check on them when lights out just to try to catch them acting "funny" Tomato clown has never had any spots at all.</strong><hr></blockquote> Beth it has always been just like this, no real changes and tomato clown has never shown any signs at all. Sorry for the confusion, thought it would be easier to continue same thread
:)
 

wrassecal

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Beth, trying to get your attention and started a new thread don't know if you don't see me or are just tired of my problem. Anyway, I've posted the answer to your question. Thanks, Debi
 

beth

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No, not tired of the problem. Just been working on my own tanks lately....expecting a SWF.com livestock shippment soon so I'm getting ready!
:D
You will have to find a way to administer the entire treatment wo interuption. Teach your sister how to help you out...its not that hard.
See ya over in your new thread...
 
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