Thanks - just let me know what you find out. One more question... Is there a way to suggest that swf.com gets or trys to include more of a selection in there livestock? I was just wondering if it would be possible for them to include more of a selection in snail first of all and i'm sure others wouldn't mind seeing more of a selection in other areas. I've been searching for these guys for weeks now ... Abalone, cerith, Nassarious and Trochus snails. Other sites have them but not with as good of a deal that swf.com offers.