Cleaning Rocks

2quills

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Anybody have any good methods for cleaning rocks? I want to use some pieces out of my 50g tank to go the new tank. Problem is that the rock is loaded with aiptasia and some other stuff. I want to clean it and start over. I'm thinking about doing an acid bath but not sure which is the best way to go about it.
I already have some hydrochloric acid and bleach. What would be a good neutralizer to use on this afterwards?
 

luvmyreef

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I have bleached rock before, scrubbed it with a wire brush and just used lots of dechlorinator after. Then put it in saltwater and reseeded with a bacterial additive for awhile.
 

luvmyreef

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I have also heard where people bake it at high temps........kinda gross.....wouldn't want it in my oven....
 

flower

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/393284/cleaning-rocks#post_3497647
Anybody have any good methods for cleaning rocks? I want to use some pieces out of my 50g tank to go the new tank. Problem is that the rock is loaded with aiptasia and some other stuff. I want to clean it and start over. I'm thinking about doing an acid bath but not sure which is the best way to go about it.
I already have some hydrochloric acid and bleach. What would be a good neutralizer to use on this afterwards?
I thought if you just soaked a live rock in freshwater, that nothing that lives in saltwater could survive on it. If that's true then just put the rock in a bucket of freshwater for a week.
 

bang guy

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/393284/cleaning-rocks#post_3497647
Anybody have any good methods for cleaning rocks? I want to use some pieces out of my 50g tank to go the new tank. Problem is that the rock is loaded with aiptasia and some other stuff. I want to clean it and start over. I'm thinking about doing an acid bath but not sure which is the best way to go about it.
I already have some hydrochloric acid and bleach. What would be a good neutralizer to use on this afterwards?
Bleach is what you want. It will dissolve the organic material in the rock to prevent it from leaching into your next tank.
Just soak overnight in a 1:10 solution. Rinse well, soak in RO water overnight, and leave it out to dry for a week. No neutralizer is needed.
 

2quills

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Yeah i'm not so sure that I would want to bake it. I definitely want to clean them real good and then seed it with a few choice pieces. Did you have to let the rock soak in dechlorinator for any length of time and do water changes?
 

2quills

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Originally Posted by Bang Guy http:///t/393284/cleaning-rocks#post_3497652
Bleach is what you want. It will dissolve the organic material in the rock to prevent it from leaching into your next tank.
Just soak overnight in a 1:10 solution. Rinse well, soak in RO water overnight, and leave it out to dry for a week. No neutralizer is needed.
Awesome, this sounds simple enough. Thanks, Bang.
 

luvmyreef

Active Member
Well, if you are asking me, I let it soak in water with lots of dechlorinator in it for two days with a very strong powerhead.
 

novahobbies

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Call me silly, but what about just letting it dry out in the sun for a week? That's what I have done to kill everything on a rock...I give it a freshwater bath (really just to help remove excess salt), then I've let it sit out on the porch for a couple weeks. The resulting rock is bone-white and devoid of any life.
 

2quills

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Originally Posted by novahobbies http:///t/393284/cleaning-rocks#post_3497664
Call me silly, but what about just letting it dry out in the sun for a week? That's what I have done to kill everything on a rock...I give it a freshwater bath (really just to help remove excess salt), then I've let it sit out on the porch for a couple weeks. The resulting rock is bone-white and devoid of any life.
Hmmm...would this method be good for removing all of the organ particles and detritus that has accumulated in the little nooks and crannies over the last couple of years? I've hear a few reported cases of folks adding dry/dead rock into the tank and still having phosphate leaching issues. Have you noticed any phosphates leaching from the rock after you've performed this method?
I don't have any huge issues in that area right now but I'd still just like to start with a completely clean slate here.
 

snakeblitz33

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If you do the hydrochloric acid bath, be very, very careful.
I like Bang's suggestion with chlorox bleach as well, but it may not be enough to pull the built up phosphate out of the rock.
 

bang guy

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My biggest concern with HCl is the possibility of dissolving the rock before dissolving all of the organics. It does have the added benefit of removing any heavy metals from the rock as well though and bleach will not do anything for that.
 

snakeblitz33

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Maybe there is good judgement to be made here... How long is too long? How much is too much? How much risk should one take? I've seen many people do the acid bath (even myriatic acid) on another larger forum with a lot of success. I'm not completely sure how much phosphate is leached, or even if it is a measureable amount. I do know that phosphates will leach out of rock if placed in pure water though... but then again, that takes a LONG time. Acid just seems to help the process. Myriatic acid may be a better choice... and it is easier to get your hands on as well.
 

2quills

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Well I decided on the acid bath.
I think the idea here is to strip away the very outer layer of rock which takes the organic matter and even some trace metals along with it. I don't think that I'll need to bleach them at this point. Hydrochloric acid is the same as Muriatic acid which is readily found at the local pool supply shop. I had stopped by there earlier and picked up a gallon along with a little bit of sodium bicarb.
I mixed 1:10 acid/water and let the rocks soak for 45 minutes. Though I probably could have taken them out a little sooner. When I set them in there they bubbled and boiled for about 25 minutes creating a surface layer of frothy and chunky brown stew. After 45 minutes I triple rinsed the plastic tub with tap water while the rocks were in it. Then I pulled them all out and blasted the heck out of them with the water hose getting all the nasty gunk off of them. Now I have them soaking in a solution of water and sodium bicarb with a pump thrown in for agitation. I'll let them soak for a couple of nights and then bath them in the sun for about a week. Once the tank is up I'll run some dechlorinated and carbon filtered water in it for a while and do a small series of water changes before I add the mixed water so that I can kick start the cycle before I thus begin seeding the tank.
And yes, you have to be careful with the acid. I used heavy duty neoprene gloves with goggles, respirator, long sleeve shirt and pants. I also did this outside. The hydrochloric acid is noxious and it can seriously hurt you. I used to work with a guy who got some all over his arms and some on his face and it left permanent scarring. So be careful, kiddos.,
Note: Since the acid bath virtually dissolves the rock it created some extremely sharp edges and points on some areas of the rock that are sure to be an eye gouging, fish slicing hazard . I'll have to go around on some of the rock now and do some de-burring with maybe a file or some sandpaper.
 

flower

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Novahobbies:
Call me silly, but what about just letting it dry out in the sun for a week? That's what I have done to kill everything on a rock...I give it a freshwater bath (really just to help remove excess salt), then I've let it sit out on the porch for a couple weeks. The resulting rock is bone-white and devoid of any life.
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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/393284/cleaning-rocks#post_3497666
Hmmm...would this method be good for removing all of the organ particles and detritus that has accumulated in the little nooks and crannies over the last couple of years? I've hear a few reported cases of folks adding dry/dead rock into the tank and still having phosphate leaching issues. Have you noticed any phosphates leaching from the rock after you've performed this method?
I don't have any huge issues in that area right now but I'd still just like to start with a completely clean slate here.
I know you guys are WAY beyond this point...( I got busy and didn't keep up with the thread) but I need some info. Phosphates and dried out rock soaked in freshwater? Can someone explain the concern to me...since that was always my method as well.
 

2quills

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Novahobbies:
Call me silly, but what about just letting it dry out in the sun for a week?  That's what I have done to kill everything on a rock...I give it a freshwater bath (really just to help remove excess salt), then I've let it sit out on the porch for a couple weeks.  The resulting rock is bone-white and devoid of any life.
I know you guys are WAY beyond this point...( I got busy and didn't keep up with the thread) but I need some info. Phosphates and dried out rock soaked in freshwater? Can someone explain the concern to me...since that was always my method as well.
No real issue Flower. I just needed a way to completely remove all of the organic matter that has accumilated or settled deep within the pours of the rocks over time.
 

flower

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/393284/cleaning-rocks#post_3497968
No real issue Flower. I just needed a way to completely remove all of the organic matter that has accumilated or settled deep within the pours of the rocks over time.
I could understand nitrates, ammonia and that sort of thing....but not phosphates. It sounded like for some reason phosphates were now high in rocks soaked in freshwater, then dried out. I know why you wanted to clean the rock. Is there an issue with phosphates because of the way the rock was soaked and then dried out?
 

2quills

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I could understand nitrates, ammonia and that sort of thing....but not phosphates. It sounded like for some reason phosphates were now high in rocks soaked in freshwater, then dried out. I know why you wanted to clean the rock. Is there an issue with phosphates because of the way the rock was soaked and then dried out?
There is no real issue with phosphates. Or at least there wasnt when the rock was in the 50g tank. Nitrates had been getting a little high lately but not out of control.
Ive read numerous cases of folks adding dry rock that came out of other systems. Sparty was a member here and a prime example of someone adding rock to the system and then having uncontrolable algea issue on those particular rocks that were prevoiusly in the system before he bought it. But he didnt have this issue on the live rock that he used to seed the tank with. So it was suggested that he take them out and bleach them.
From my understanding bleaching will kill everything. But it does nothing for phosphate removal nor does it completely remove or disolve ALL organics that can pile up in the pours of rockwork over the years. The acid bath not only kills but it dissolves everything. Including stripping away any concentrations of heavy metals that accumulate in the rock over time.
So I was really just looking for a sure fire way to make sure that I start out the 120g system with a completely clean slate so that there are no questions about the rock once I start up the system.
The freshwater bath stuff, I will take different measures to deal with that once the acid has been completely nutralized.
Im following a method layed down by one of the most respected chemists in the hobby. So im keeping my fingers crossed that it works and that I dont end ip having any issues afterwards that stem from any previous possibilities while the rock was used in the 50g tank. Pluss this rock was already being used in the 120g when I purchased it used 2.5 years ago and by then it was already running in the system for a couple of years.
Bottom line here Flower is that Im tired of battling the aiptasia. I gave up, it wins. Thats why my 50g looks like crap and I want to take it down and start completely fresh with the re-vamped 120g.
 

florida joe

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As far as I know every public aquarium uses bleach for sterilization. I would also include a few peppermint shrimp to your new set up as a backup in case you accidently add something to your tank with aiptasia on it
 
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