Cloudy tank this morning

darrinsimon

Member
Okay so I have been fighting hair algae and starting to win the battle. My tank temp has been around 80 to 81 F. and yesterday I decided to install a fan in the canopy sucking cool air in blowing to the top middle of the canopy. When the canopy is closed this air reflects off the top and back to the front of the tank where surface agitation is very good. This morning the tank temp is now 78 and the water is cloudy. Is the last of the hair algae dying off causing the tank cloudyness? That's my guess anyway, did a 5 gallon water change out yesterday too which I started doing to get rid of of the hair algae in the first place and it has been helping a lot.
Going to test water parameters here in a few, mainly for ammonia just in case.
 

btldreef

Moderator
I don't believe that the fan in the canopy would have anything to do with this, unless there was A LOT of dust in the canopy, which I doubt.
 
More likely, the hair algae is dying. The water change could have kicked up just enough stuff (dying hair algae) to cloud the water.
 
You posted this hours ago, what are your tank parameters?
 

darrinsimon

Member
Cant detect any ammonia, nitrites or nitrates, haven't been able to detect these for quite while now. Funny you mention the dust, I do see some dust on the top of the glass that sits atop the tank, time to clean house! Fish don't seem to be bothered as much as we are by the cloudyness though.
Water changes don't stir up really anything since I do a 5 gallon bucket's worth. I siphon off a 5 G bucket then replace it immediately with freshly made saltwater that I make the day before.
Still cloudy this morning, tank temp holding steady at 78 now.
 

spanko

Active Member
When you are doing water changes, are you using a turkey baster to blow on the rock work first? This will suspend any detritus that has accumulated on the rocks so they can be removed by the water change and filtration.
 
Not saying this is what is happening in your tank but it may be and is a good maintenance program to get into.
 
The dying algae is releasing nutrient back into the tank and your water changing is helping to remove this nutrient. Keep it up as you don't want the nutrient to remain in the water column.
 

darrinsimon

Member
Not using a turkey baster to "blow on the rocks". I did have to clean the skimmer cup last night, their was a lot of green slime all around the "riser neck" which appeared to be dead/dying algae. Gonna skim a little wetter till tank clears up, also considering another water change to help it clear faster.
 

flower

Well-Known Member

 
I have had hair algae before...and to be honest cooling the tank never made a dent in it. If all you did was install a fan something else is going on. I agree the algae is dying and clouded the tank..but I don't agree on why it's dying.
 
I read something once that we should be concerned if algae can't live in out tanks. I was thinking if I brought this up the great minds like Spanko may be able to shed some light.
 
Are you sure you introduced nothing else into the tank? Disturb the sand, anything like that...
 

darrinsimon

Member
Whats a polyfilter?
A little over a month ago I went on attack against the HA, pulled most of the live rock out (except for the 45 pound one in there!) and scrubbed it with a brush in clean water, then rinsed in more clean water. Then daily would scrub the rocks where it was coming back aggressively and do a water change after. Wait 1 day and clean skimmer cup, Magnum 350 filter running carbon and power heads, then do another water change The tank clouded up severely and it took 2 weeks before it finally went crystal again. I also used about 4 doses of Marine Algae fix every 4 -5 days. The HA is no longer growing aggressively, it is only visible in a few areas now and the fish are grazing on it. I added more fish 2 weeks ago when the tank cleared, added about 8 fish all at once. Only had 1 clown fish, 2 peppermint shrimp and 8 - 10 hermits for the last 2 years in a 90 gallon FOWLR without any skimmer at all. (it broke!) The tank was moved to a temporary house until ours was finished, then moved to the new house. Didn't want to stock the tank until it had it's final move, what a pain.Was building a house so I couldn't fix it (couldn't find the part or rig one up) nor could I buy a new one. So now we are skimming with a Reef Octopus (instead of a POS Seaclone) and have been very happy with how much better the tank is looking, not hardly any green stuff growing anymore. Only in a few hard to reach places and the fish are eating that so I kinda want to leave it keep an eye on it. The 45 pound live rock is 98% algae free, the fish and hermits are taking care of it. The other 35 - 40 pounds of live rock have small amounts of green HA on them, but it isn't spreading or really growing, it's just there. Did another water change 5G yesterday and the tank is clearing up, slowly but surely. I believe the rocks have sucked up so much nitrates that they are finally releasing it slowly back into the tank. That's why I am doing so many water changes lately, to get the tank back in shape, tip top shape.
And I know I shouldn't have added that many fish at once, but we purchased them online and splitting it up would have cost a lot more due to shipping. Did a water change 2 days before fish arrived, then another the next day, then again every other day for 2 weeks now. Water changes only take me about 5 to 7 minutes and doesn't not stir up the water. The fish are very very active and are eating well. Will wait and see what happens, will report back in a few days. Thanks for the replies!
 

flower

Well-Known Member
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinSimon http:///forum/thread/380614/cloudy-tank-this-morning#post_3313843
Whats a polyfilter?
A little over a month ago I went on attack against the HA, pulled most of the live rock out (except for the 45 pound one in there!) and scrubbed it with a brush in clean water, then rinsed in more clean water. Then daily would scrub the rocks where it was coming back aggressively and do a water change after. Wait 1 day and clean skimmer cup, Magnum 350 filter running carbon and power heads, then do another water change The tank clouded up severely and it took 2 weeks before it finally went crystal again. I also used about 4 doses of Marine Algae fix every 4 -5 days. The HA is no longer growing aggressively, it is only visible in a few areas now and the fish are grazing on it. I added more fish 2 weeks ago when the tank cleared, added about 8 fish all at once. Only had 1 clown fish, 2 peppermint shrimp and 8 - 10 hermits for the last 2 years in a 90 gallon FOWLR without any skimmer at all. (it broke!) The tank was moved to a temporary house until ours was finished, then moved to the new house. Didn't want to stock the tank until it had it's final move, what a pain.Was building a house so I couldn't fix it (couldn't find the part or rig one up) nor could I buy a new one. So now we are skimming with a Reef Octopus (instead of a POS Seaclone) and have been very happy with how much better the tank is looking, not hardly any green stuff growing anymore. Only in a few hard to reach places and the fish are eating that so I kinda want to leave it keep an eye on it. The 45 pound live rock is 98% algae free, the fish and hermits are taking care of it. The other 35 - 40 pounds of live rock have small amounts of green HA on them, but it isn't spreading or really growing, it's just there. Did another water change 5G yesterday and the tank is clearing up, slowly but surely. I believe the rocks have sucked up so much nitrates that they are finally releasing it slowly back into the tank. That's why I am doing so many water changes lately, to get the tank back in shape, tip top shape.
And I know I shouldn't have added that many fish at once, but we purchased them online and splitting it up would have cost a lot more due to shipping. Did a water change 2 days before fish arrived, then another the next day, then again every other day for 2 weeks now. Water changes only take me about 5 to 7 minutes and doesn't not stir up the water. The fish are very very active and are eating well. Will wait and see what happens, will report back in a few days. Thanks for the replies!

 
Marked in red are why you have problems. Did you scrub your rocks in tap, RO or saltwater? If you scrubbed your rock in anything besides the saltwater, add that to the list as well.
 
Alage is a natural thing in your tank. Algae fix is NOT a good thing to put in there. The right water quality, and CUC with water changes is all you really needed to do. I scrubbed my rock in saltwater to clean them and give my algae eaters a head start.
 
There s no good reason or excuse to add 8 fish at once. EVER. You don't have to instantly stock a tank. The cheap comes out expensive in this hobby. I have a 90g tank and 8 fish is ALL I have in there, and it is stocked to its limit. Each fish I added was a specimen of perfection, I made sure it could get along with what I already had. I took time to find out each ones needs. I didn't just say OOO fish and start dumping them in, you really dropped the ball on that one..
 

You have a cloudy tank because it s unbalanced. The algae Fix is your cloud maker. The dead material I fear is more than just the hair algae...too much too fast. I don't even know what you can test for at this point. You have to have ammonia going through the roof.

 
A skimmer will help ALLOT right now, like yesterday...it pulls out the dead nasty stuff you can't test for. Instaed of 8 fish you should have bought another skimmer.
 
I reread my post...I sound harsh and I really don't intend it to be...I'm just really explaining what is wrong...Go get a skimmer is all I can think of for you to do to clean things up. It could take months to fix the balance the algae fix messed up.
 
 
 
 

 
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darrinsimon

Member
Well Flower I did get a new Reef Octopus XP1000S cone skimmer, it was difficult convincing the wife we needed a $325 skimmer, but she finally gave in. It is rated for a 150 and I have a 90, I read that you should get a skimmer rated for a larger tank than you have and that's what I did. Hell it was pulling skimmate out within the first hour of using it because there was so much in there. (who said they need to break in!)
And I just checked for ammonia and it is 0 PPM. If I am reading it wrong then it may be .025 PPM but I doubt it, the color is pretty clear that it's 0. Still can't detect nitrates either, I have read that algae may have the nutrients locked up, but I don't have algae all over the place like I did before. I know there has to be some nitrates in there but neither of my test kits, one older kit and another newer kit show any at all. It's e distinct yellow color that says 0 PPM that shows more orangey when nitrates are detected.
It's my wife's tank per say because she love's fish, but all she does is feed them, I do all maintenance. She is the one who ordered the fish, she researched all of them making sure they were compatible with each other and what we already had. I know you should add them slowly, but I took a chance that they would survive if I stayed on top of the cycle it was going to go through. Even though I couldn't detect ammonia I did the water changes anyway.
I guess I am try to get the tank back in shape too fast. I have had algae problems since we got it and got disgusted to the point of getting rid of the tank. Now I am checking things daily again and try to stay on top of it this time. It is dis-heartning doing water changes, cleaning filters, scraping algae only to have it come back a week or so later. I started using RO water and it helped a little, but never really got it where the algae was maintainable. Now it is maintainable, I know you can't or shouldn't try to get rid of all of it as it is natural. But when you see pictures of other peoples tanks so crystal clear without ANY visible algae it makes me wonder what I am doing wrong.
I think I am just going to let mother nature run it's course, no more Algae Fix, I haven't dosed any in 2 weeks now anyway. I never planned on it being the "fix", just as a little helper for my problem. I read up on it before purchasing any and it is safe, hell they want you to does once a week after you get it under control, no way for me! I am going to continue to skim wet, scrape algae off the glass and weekly water changes along with keeping filters and skim cup clean. While I don't see much algae in there my skimmer cup says differently, is is sucking out something green and slimey.
You may have been a bit harsh on me as you stated, a slap on the wrist from you is well taken here. Thanks for you input Flower, feel free to add more if you feel inclined to.
 

spanko

Active Member
An old saying in the hobby is" the solution to pollution is dilution". This is in fact where you are going with your maintenance - water changes etc. You still need to both rid the tank of the excess nutrient, I believe pent up in your rockwork, as well as control the amount being introduced. Keep up on your water changes, skimming, and filtration maintenance and try to make sure you are not overfeeding your inhabitants. Also did not go back to see what your clean up crew consists of but a good supply of a diverse group of snails will help to keep your detritus cleaned from your rockwork and sandbed. I know I sound like a broken record but I cannot tell you how much of a difference using something to blow on the rocks at water change time can help to keep the detritus that accumulates suspended in the water for removal.
By the way, where are the pictures of your tank?????????
 

darrinsimon

Member
I keep losing my cursor postion when I try to backspace and correct something here, I just lost 2 long posts and I am no typist either, is ther a way to have it show where the hell the cursor is? Grrrfrustrated
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinSimon http:///forum/thread/380614/cloudy-tank-this-morning#post_3314236
I keep losing my cursor postion when I try to backspace and correct something here, I just lost 2 long posts and I am no typist either, is ther a way to have it show where the hell the cursor is? Grrrfrustrated

I type my message on Microsoft word first, then spell check...then copy/ paste to the site...if it gets lost I still have what I typed.
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinSimon http:///forum/thread/380614/cloudy-tank-this-morning#post_3314221
Well Flower I did get a new Reef Octopus XP1000S cone skimmer, it was difficult convincing the wife we needed a $325 skimmer, but she finally gave in. It is rated for a 150 and I have a 90, I read that you should get a skimmer rated for a larger tank than you have and that's what I did. Hell it was pulling skimmate out within the first hour of using it because there was so much in there. (who said they need to break in!)
And I just checked for ammonia and it is 0 PPM. If I am reading it wrong then it may be .025 PPM but I doubt it, the color is pretty clear that it's 0. Still can't detect nitrates either, I have read that algae may have the nutrients locked up, but I don't have algae all over the place like I did before. I know there has to be some nitrates in there but neither of my test kits, one older kit and another newer kit show any at all. It's e distinct yellow color that says 0 PPM that shows more orangey when nitrates are detected.
It's my wife's tank per say because she love's fish, but all she does is feed them, I do all maintenance. She is the one who ordered the fish, she researched all of them making sure they were compatible with each other and what we already had. I know you should add them slowly, but I took a chance that they would survive if I stayed on top of the cycle it was going to go through. Even though I couldn't detect ammonia I did the water changes anyway.
I guess I am try to get the tank back in shape too fast. I have had algae problems since we got it and got disgusted to the point of getting rid of the tank. Now I am checking things daily again and try to stay on top of it this time. It is dis-heartning doing water changes, cleaning filters, scraping algae only to have it come back a week or so later. I started using RO water and it helped a little, but never really got it where the algae was maintainable. Now it is maintainable, I know you can't or shouldn't try to get rid of all of it as it is natural. But when you see pictures of other peoples tanks so crystal clear without ANY visible algae it makes me wonder what I am doing wrong.
I think I am just going to let mother nature run it's course, no more Algae Fix, I haven't dosed any in 2 weeks now anyway. I never planned on it being the "fix", just as a little helper for my problem. I read up on it before purchasing any and it is safe, hell they want you to does once a week after you get it under control, no way for me! I am going to continue to skim wet, scrape algae off the glass and weekly water changes along with keeping filters and skim cup clean. While I don't see much algae in there my skimmer cup says differently, is is sucking out something green and slimey.
You may have been a bit harsh on me as you stated, a slap on the wrist from you is well taken here. Thanks for you input Flower, feel free to add more if you feel inclined to.

I was afraid I sounded too harsh, like I said I really don’t mean it to be. I’m glad you got a good skimmer. It should take care of that organic yuck that is clouding up the tank. How old are your lights? I ask because old bulbs will cause hair algae to grow as well. Do try and get the poly filter, it sounds like it will help and Joe knows his stuff. Keep up on the water changes.
Oh and I found a really easy way to do water changes…I too have a 90g tank …with a canopy I had to take it off…not anymore..I got a 5g jug and run a tube from my skimmer to it. I wet skim and the nasty water is dumped into the jug. I have an Auto Top Off unit and I use a trash can (fish only) to mix my new saltwater for changes. I run a hose to my tank with a pump on it. I switch the pump cords with the RO top off tank, so the new mixed saltwater is replaced as the skimmer pulls out old water. If you have an ATO you might try this…life is allot easier now. I have been battling nitrates and doing daily water changes, so I know how you feel.
 

darrinsimon

Member
Hmm, the last water change on Tuesday seemed to clear it up a bit, but yesterday afternoon it seemed to start getting cloudier again. Went to grab my tub to make some fresh saltwater to have on hand since I still don't know exactly whats going on. Wanted some fresh saltwater on hand just in case if you will. My wife stopped me and said to wait on a water change. She doesn't do any research on tank chemistry and I do quite a bit, I am still no expert though. What do you all think, should I have the water ready to go just in case or is there such a thing as too many water changes. I know you don't want a huge change, smaller ones are better. Maybe I need to do 10 gallons instead of 5. Anyway diluting by water changes is good right?
If the tank is cycling aren't water changes good or does it mess up the cycling?
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinSimon http:///forum/thread/380614/cloudy-tank-this-morning#post_3314582
Hmm, the last water change on Tuesday seemed to clear it up a bit, but yesterday afternoon it seemed to start getting cloudier again. Went to grab my tub to make some fresh saltwater to have on hand since I still don't know exactly whats going on. Wanted some fresh saltwater on hand just in case if you will. My wife stopped me and said to wait on a water change. She doesn't do any research on tank chemistry and I do quite a bit, I am still no expert though. What do you all think, should I have the water ready to go just in case or is there such a thing as too many water changes. I know you don't want a huge change, smaller ones are better. Maybe I need to do 10 gallons instead of 5. Anyway diluting by water changes is good right?
If the tank is cycling aren't water changes good or does it mess up the cycling?

Do the water changes, I have nitrates and have been doing 5g a day. My white anemone is finally turning brown like he should be. That means the water quality has improved. Something is off or your tank would not be cloudy and with that algae fix who knows whats going on...It won't hurt the cycling with all the fish you have in there...it can only help. JMO
 

darrinsimon

Member
Okay still fighting cloudy tank. Started 10 gallon changes per week instead of 5. Tanks looks a bit clearer after water change, but the next morning it's cloudy again. The pic I posted does not show the cloudyness, if I squat down and look upwards at the tank with the lights on, it looks like smoke. I also have added a polyfilter to the skimmer and have been changing it once a week, it gets a little green from algae slime I guess, doesn't seem to be turning any particular color though. I have also been adding top off water daily as needed, something I used to do every 3 or 4 days instead. There isn't much algae left if any at all, the fish are eating something off of the rocks, I assume it's algae. The fish are very active and eat well, but we are not giving them too much since we don't know whats going on. I give them some green marine algae that comes dried in sheets every other day or so, they really tear that stuff up!
So I decided to check my well water TDS and it's down from 25 to19. I dug out my RO filter and started it up, TDS is down to 4 now. I did a 10 gallon water change last night with the RO water and the tank seems a bit clearer now, even this morning. I just ordered replacement RO membrane and filters and will probably get the TDS down to 0 with those. Going to keep up the water changes using RO water again, was hoping I would be able to get away with just straight well water since the TDS is so low. But something is going on and I think it;s the water, have tried dang near everything else!
Any more suggestions welcome and I am not and have not been using any more Algae Marine Fix!!!
 

darrinsimon

Member
Okay it's the water, tank is clearing up after using RO water for my changes and top off. Weird how my well water is showing lower TDS than before but it's causes clouding of the tank. We haven't had much rain lately so maybe all the dust is getting in the water table? Anyway looks like I am back on the road to a crystal clear tank again. Thanks for all the input guys and gals!
 

darrinsimon

Member
Okay so it's not the water, the tank clouded up again 4 days ago and I think my wife and I have figured out the cause. We have some construction going on outside, we are adding a large front porch and a carport on the side of the house. Basically it's been a muddy mess outside until the concrete got poured and a lot of it has been tracked into the house by us and the dogs. Sweeping and vacuuming everyday has stirred up a lot of the dirt and the fan I installed in the canopy is blowing it into the tank. We have done a major house cleaning since the concrete is now set and there is no more dirt/dust being blown into the tank now. All I have to do is some water changes to get it back clear and keep the floor cleaner. It will be much easier to do now that the concrete gets dirty but doesn't let it track into the house. Lesson learned, the hard way. Sometimes it's not what you expect, but it is what it is. Anyway thought I give you all an update, all the fish are doing fine!
 
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