collecting specimins in jamacia

I am takeing a trip to jamacia soon, and will be doing extencive snorkeling.(I hope!)
Does anyone know if I will be able to grab some stuff, or will customs frown, or will the locals shoot me, or any other relivent information concerning the aquirement of reef specimins in jamacia?
Thanks...
Shane
 

fastmarc

Member
Shane, there are protected areas around, so be sure to check with the hotel if they are located in such an area.
 
I had assumed there would be protected areas and possibly protected species, but I was just hoping to get some zoos and shrooms and such.
 

meadbhb

Member
Hiya,
You definately want to check the import/export rules for Jamaca and the US as well as find out where/if you can remove sealife from certain areas. You may also need a license.
good luck and have fun!
Meadbhb
 

fastmarc

Member
Jam marine has good contacts with the quarantine department which is a division of customs, so I'll ask him to check it out for you.
 

ophiura

Active Member
This is really not recommended. There are customs problems (even for DEAD coral skeletons)...I know of museum specimens that were dead that were seized for improper CITES (endangered species) documentation.
On a more philosophical note...isn't it just nice to leave some areas natural? The take nothing but pictures/memories and leave nothing but bubbles? They already are under HUGE stress from hurricanes, divers, boating, overfishing (when I went to Jamaica in the 80s, man, was it devestated by hurricane damage)...does it really save that much money or whatever to go take some coral from there too? Especially for something that is so common and easily cultured in captivity like Zoanthids and mushrooms? I think it is worth thinking about.
Since it may very well come up, I won't buy the diversity argument. There is nothing valuable, IMO, in throwing Caribbean species in a tank with Pacific one's and claiming diversity. And for the "they do it for the LFS animals so why not." Your right, and it causes enough damage which is why we are trying to promote captive raised animals. Why spread it even further around...especially for something common.
Also keep in mind that much of the coral diversity you are familiar with is Pacific. Caribbean reefs may seem much different. Unless you are SCUBA diving, I don't know how often you will stumble upon great patches of zoanthids and mushrooms to harvest but their is amazing algae :D Serious!
I know you don't mean anything by this, it seems harmless for sure, I don't want anyone to think I am flaming. I think it is just something to think about even if customs says it is A-OK (which I doubt). What is the reason for doing it and is it really good. But it is just my opinion, no flaming...just philosophical on my Friday. :)
 

nm reef

Active Member
Very well stated.
..unless you are experienced in collecting marine animals I'd urge you to look and not touch.Besides the fact that collecting without a liscense is probably against the law....it is probably un-ethical to collect for personal use. Then you'd have the problem of transporting the collected species successfully....in my opinion its just not a worthwhile idea.Heck...enjoy your trip...take lots of pics...then purchase specimans after you return home.:thinking:
 
NM & Ophiuria:
thanks for your perspectives. thats why i post here, so much good advice.

I shall leave empty handed.
I would like to note......
Colecting specimins is not so much about saving money as it is gaining the proper specimins. The selection in my area is dreadful. I have also serched orlando and san diego to no avail.
I have fragged zoos and shrooms in my crappy little 55g, and where I take, regrowth occurs rapidly. I would suspect regrowth would be accelerated in the wild. perhaps im wrong.
 

schneidts

Active Member
Do a google search on "frags" or "frag" buy/sell, etc...I would say you could get much more selection from a fellow reefer than you could ever get yourself from the wild. Also, there is so much more interspecific competition in the wild than there is in your tank so regrowth can be hit or miss depending on where you take from. The oceans reefs are hurting, we need to be implementing methods to rebuild them not the opposite. If you need more direction for frag info let me know.
 

nm reef

Active Member
I agree...there are numerous sources available for the type corals you've mentioned...and that livestock will be much better suited for your aquarium than any wild caught species.:yes:
 

floorguy

Member
did anyone see the small spot cnn did on the worlds reefs? seem that only 33% of the worlds reefs are healthy. thats a scary thought and probably 40% is sitting in our living rooms i wonder if it could get so bad that the government could ask for our stuff to replenish the wild reefs.
 

streetdoc

Member
Hey Josey, I know where you were coming from when you started this post. I think perhaps it was the idea of collecting something yourself, bringing it home, and watching it hopefully flourish. I have done the same here but only with inverts (that are legal and plentiful) although I have considered possibley collecting a gramma or two and perhaps a jaw fish this spring. We do not have coral reefs here and I and some friends have found that fragged corals from fellow reefers are much hardier than those collected from the wild. Have fun and post some pics for us.
 

kona

Member
Went to Ocho Rios last spring break - aside from going to Marley's home and ganjin like crazy, I was able to snorkle for one day, considering that the whether wasn't all too great.
Just remember seeing lots of green (of many different shades) anemonies - more anemonies than any other place i've snorkled. Also saw tons of puffers for some odd reason - again something i hadn't seen much of elsewhere.
Just thought I'd share. I know it has nothing to do with your question.
 
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