Come November, I'm voting Republican across the board! Who's with me?!?

And then after what I'm hoping is a Republican landslide victory, I'm going to wait 12-18 months and see where the country is. And when I realize it's in the exact same place it is now (or worse), then I finally hope people are going to see that it really makes no difference which individual or party they vote for. There is only one party who calls the shots, and that's the folks with all the money.
And no, I don't mean just rich republicans, I mean rich democrats as well.
It's really kind of disheartening...
 

snakeblitz33

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I'm at that point to. So much so that I don't care who wins or looses - as long as no one takes away my freedom of speech, my right to bear arms and increase income taxes.
 

mantisman51

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I'm an independent due to Republicans selling us out to big business. So I can't argue too much with the OP. I am troubled by Obama's war on Arizona and his determination to weaken our nuclear forces(wait until after the election, I'll have more flexibility), but otherwise, I wouldn't care if he were reelected. As it is, I might just vote for Ron Barber for Congress since he has shown a willingness to buck his party and vote for what's right for Arizona. I am no longer a party ideologue. I just want to be left alone and have the government protect the home front.
 
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I'm an independent due to Republicans selling us out to big business. So I can't argue too much with the OP. I am troubled by Obama's war on Arizona and his determination to weaken our nuclear forces(wait until after the election, I'll have more flexibility), but otherwise, I wouldn't care if he were reelected. As it is, I might just vote for Ron Barber for Congress since he has shown a willingness to buck his party and vote for what's right for Arizona. I am no longer a party ideologue. I just want to be left alone and have the government protect the home front.
+1
 

reefraff

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What 0bama is doing isn't working. I have no problem voting for a Democrat in 4 years if Romney doesn't do any better.
 

sweat90lx

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I dont think there is any politician of any party that cares what is best for our country, except Ron Paul and the media portrays him as a crazy. The sheeple believe the mainstream media rather than researching individuals.
The best think that can happen is term limits for Congress.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by sweat90lx http:///t/392714/come-november-im-voting-republican-across-the-board-whos-with-me#post_3489052
I dont think there is any politician of any party that cares what is best for our country, except Ron Paul and the media portrays him as a crazy. The sheeple believe the mainstream media rather than researching individuals.
The best think that can happen is term limits for Congress.
Ron Paul suffers from the same shortcoming most other Libertarians do. They don't understand that you can't sell a totally different political agenda in 30 second sound bites.
 
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392714/come-november-im-voting-republican-across-the-board-whos-with-me#post_3489066
Ron Paul suffers from the same shortcoming most other Libertarians do. They don't understand that you can't sell a totally different political agenda in 30 second sound bites.
I agree with that. While Ron Paul does have a lot of good ideas, and probably would help this country far more than either Obama or Romney would... he's too far from the "traditional norm" for people to actually vote for him. I think the whole D and R thing is so engrained in people's minds that it is going to take a super politician from a non D & R party to ever start to get the wheels of change going. Whether that be a libertarian, a tea partier, etc. Basically you'd need someone with the speaking skills of Hitler, the looks of Kennedy, the likeability of Clinton, the political mind of Ron Paul, and the money of Romney to run the whole campaign. I think it's safe to say that won't be happening anytime soon...
 

beth

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The current traditional norm is actually rather new to this country. The ideology that both Dems and Reps embrace now is to spend money ever increasing astronomical debt, police the world and exploit where we can for resources and power, enact laws and policies that make the central government ever more powerful and intrusive, and lie your way out of and in to everything for the sake of power.
Ron Paul is an honest politician who embraces the ethics and ideology set for in our Constitution. I agree that he keeps true to what he believes, and it costs him politically.
Wake up America.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid http:///t/392714/come-november-im-voting-republican-across-the-board-whos-with-me#post_3489087
I agree with that. While Ron Paul does have a lot of good ideas, and probably would help this country far more than either Obama or Romney would... he's too far from the "traditional norm" for people to actually vote for him. I think the whole D and R thing is so engrained in people's minds that it is going to take a super politician from a non D & R party to ever start to get the wheels of change going. Whether that be a libertarian, a tea partier, etc. Basically you'd need someone with the speaking skills of Hitler, the looks of Kennedy, the likeability of Clinton, the political mind of Ron Paul, and the money of Romney to run the whole campaign. I think it's safe to say that won't be happening anytime soon...
Mike Bloomberg is the one person I can think of that would have a shot. I could never support the clown but...... The libertarians could make a major impact by jumping back into the Republican party. If social issues are at least minimized the Republicans would decimate the Democrats. Problem is could we depend on them to do the right things with strong control over the government. Didn't work out too well under Bush, at least when it comes to spending.
 

ironeagle2006

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Reefraff are we talking the Same Mayor that wants to BAN all Sodas over 16 Oz's in NYC also make Breastfeeding Mandatory for all Women. The same man that refused to do anything against teh OWS people even when Murders and Rapes where reported in the Campsite. That Mayor Bloomburg.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by ironeagle2006 http:///t/392714/come-november-im-voting-republican-across-the-board-whos-with-me#post_3489116
Reefraff are we talking the Same Mayor that wants to BAN all Sodas over 16 Oz's in NYC also make Breastfeeding Mandatory for all Women. The same man that refused to do anything against teh OWS people even when Murders and Rapes where reported in the Campsite. That Mayor Bloomburg.
Which is why I'd never vote for him. But he has the notoriety and money to pull off a 3rd party run.
 

dragonzim

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392714/come-november-im-voting-republican-across-the-board-whos-with-me#post_3489094
Mike Bloomberg is the one person I can think of that would have a shot. I could never support the clown but...... The libertarians could make a major impact by jumping back into the Republican party. If social issues are at least minimized the Republicans would decimate the Democrats. Problem is could we depend on them to do the right things with strong control over the government. Didn't work out too well under Bush, at least when it comes to spending.
Would never happen. Most NY'ers are fed up with him at this point. Dont forget this is also the same Mayor that when it was time for him to step down due to term limits, got the laws changed so that he could have a 3rd term.
Might as well give it to Trump if you're gonna ask Bloomberg
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by DragonZim http:///t/392714/come-november-im-voting-republican-across-the-board-whos-with-me#post_3489133
Would never happen. Most NY'ers are fed up with him at this point. Dont forget this is also the same Mayor that when it was time for him to step down due to term limits, got the laws changed so that he could have a 3rd term.
Might as well give it to Trump if you're gonna ask Bloomberg
He might not win but he could put up a very credible campaign. People are fed up with the two parties. Had Bloomberg not taken that extra term I'd be willing to bet he'd be leading in the polls right now as a 3rd party or independent. He wouldn't have been there long enough to push all this stupid stuff. Thank god he was LOL!
Bloomberg has credibility, name recognition and a ton of money which is what it will take for a 3rd party to break through. I don't really see anyone else on the national scene right now that could do it.
 

sweat90lx

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/392714/come-november-im-voting-republican-across-the-board-whos-with-me#post_3489093
Ron Paul is an honest politician who embraces the ethics and ideology set for in our Constitution. I agree that he keeps true to what he believes, and it costs him politically.
Wake up America.
Our country and our people, for the most part, dont have this logic. Everyone seems to want something for nothing. They dont want to work for what they think they deserve and want help when things dont go like they want.
ClemsonKid is correct. Too many people believe what they are told and listen to any slick talker they know will lie to them.
 
I think it all starts on a very basic level, that our country is becoming over-populated and under-educated. People often want to point the finger at the poor minority communities who "take advantage of the system". While this is true, and they do take advantage, you have to remember most of these people who are now coming into their teens and 20's are one of eight kids, from three different fathers, who they never knew. All they saw from the earliest age they could remember was their Mother taking free handouts from the government instead of working. Most of these kids never had a chance to live the "American Dream" because they never knew it to begin with.
And the worst part, is that it's a never ending cycle. Those same kids who were brought into this world by a 15 year old mother, will be the same ones who go out and do the exact same thing. And then you have the kids who were brought up in a traditional family, with a Mom and Dad, and they go to college, get a job... Those people might have one or two kids, if any at all. While the unemployed, under-educated, unmarried folks have a boatload of children.
So if 100 from the "bad" group have six kids each, and 100 from the "good" group have one kid... That means you have a society of 6:1 moving forward... and somehow people expect this country to somehow recover and prosper? I just don't get how anyone plans on that happening without a overhaul of the entire system from top to bottom.
 

reefraff

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Yeah and it's getting to the point where so much has been taken from peter to give to paul that the peters are more and more willing to go on the dole as well.
 

sweat90lx

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Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid http:///t/392714/come-november-im-voting-republican-across-the-board-whos-with-me#post_3489417
I think it all starts on a very basic level, that our country is becoming over-populated and under-educated. People often want to point the finger at the poor minority communities who "take advantage of the system". While this is true, and they do take advantage, you have to remember most of these people who are now coming into their teens and 20's are one of eight kids, from three different fathers, who they never knew. All they saw from the earliest age they could remember was their Mother taking free handouts from the government instead of working. Most of these kids never had a chance to live the "American Dream" because they never knew it to begin with.
And the worst part, is that it's a never ending cycle. Those same kids who were brought into this world by a 15 year old mother, will be the same ones who go out and do the exact same thing. And then you have the kids who were brought up in a traditional family, with a Mom and Dad, and they go to college, get a job... Those people might have one or two kids, if any at all. While the unemployed, under-educated, unmarried folks have a boatload of children.
So if 100 from the "bad" group have six kids each, and 100 from the "good" group have one kid... That means you have a society of 6:1 moving forward... and somehow people expect this country to somehow recover and prosper? I just don't get how anyone plans on that happening without a overhaul of the entire system from top to bottom.
very well said. Kids do what they have seen their parent/parents do.
I think every person has the same opportunity to live the American Dream. Most have not been taught what is necessary to achieve it.
 
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"You can't teach what you don't know."
If all one knows is dependency, how can they teach independence?
That's my whole point. This is all these kids have ever known or seen, yet society wants them to all "rise above" and change their lives and the world. In a movie that sounds great, but back here in the real world it's completely impractical or feasible... The question is, how in the world do you start to change that at the very ground levels of society?
 
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