Confessions of a nooby aquarist

My coworker had a fully established tank that thrived for 3-4 years. She decided she could not maintain the tank anymore due to time and money. I had always wanted a swf tank. So I agreed to buy it from her. I got it for a STEAL. I didn't realize what a good deal I got when I was buying it.
It's 125 gal. 40 gal refugium. Dinner plate sized anemone. Mated jumbo clownfish, large yellow tang, large orange shoulder tang, 100 pounds of live fiji rock, live sand, a fully grown lawnmower blenny, two chromis, protein skimmer and bioballs, pumps, lights, timers, and probably a lot more that I am forgetting.
The thing is... I was so excited about the fishtank (still am), but I just rushed into buying things. I only looked at things like reefsafe? yes or no. And difficulty of care. I had no idea what in the hell I was doing.
Here are some of the mistakes I have made (and I KNOW I have made more, but I just don't know it yet)...
First of all... overcrowding
Since we have gotten the tank, here is what I have bought...
large spider decorator crab, sally lightfoot crab, arrow crab, teddy bear crab, horseshoe crab, 70 blue hermit crabs, fuzzy dwarf lionfish, emperor angelfish, foxface rabbitfish, copperbanded butterfly fish, fire shrimp, pistol shrimp, 2 cleaner shrimps, 1 coral banded shrimp, choc chip star fish (which ate my 2 flame scallops), blonde naso tang, pipefish, 3 feather dusters, 1 huge colt coral, 1 bubble tip anemone, 1 florida condii anemone, 2 more clownfish (on the opposite side of tank as other clownfish), 10 snails, 2 cleaner clams, 3 emerald crabs, 5 mushroom polyps, frogspawn coral, bicolor blenny, green mandarin fish, blue hippo tang, a valentini puffer, white sebae anemone, pink tip hatian anemone, yellow gorgonian, red gorgonian, engineer goby, dragon goby, 3 anemone crabs, 3 curly q anemone, a yellow cucumber, a lettuce nudibranch, 1 peppermint shrimp, 3 large xenia colonies, a volitan lionfish, and a partidge in a pear tree.
O....M....G....
If only I had spent more time on this message board before I went crazy. I am just so in love with marine life, that I went way OCD with the purchasing. Oh, and I bought all of this within the span of... 1.5 months! You guys are all going to SHOOT me. But I am here, admitting all of this to you for several reasons. To help others not make the mistakes I did. To see what you seasoned aquarists have to say about the compatabilities of what is now in my tank. I have been suprisingly lucky so far. People tell me I am breaking like every rule in the book, and they are right. If you guys have any guesses as to what survived, it should be interesting to hear your thoughts!
 
Originally Posted by Kynekke
Welcome to the boards! And you made one REALLY good step! Coming here for help

Thank you! So far this, and getting a better protein skimmer are the only two RIGHT things I have done!
 

petjunkie

Active Member
Holy bejesus you added a lot! I take it something bad must have happened to lead you here. Hopefully you didn't lose too much, it sounds like you got a nice setup but no info. What's the status of the tank right now? Do you have test kits? This site will help you a lot so read, read, read and use the search function. Welcome to swf!
 
Originally Posted by Legoalie31
wow........oops........:(
Hahaha. Thanks for the note of encouragement.
But I agree with you... "oops" is right.
I didn't know. I bought the tank after thinking about it for like 2 days. Did some cramming of marine books I bought the day before, but that was not nearly enough preparation. Especially since most people who start from scratch have to go 6 weeks before they even buy one fish. I just started buying fish the day after I got the tank.
 
Originally Posted by petjunkie
Holy bejesus you added a lot! I take it something bad must have happened to lead you here. Hopefully you didn't lose too much, it sounds like you got a nice setup but no info. What's the status of the tank right now? Do you have test kits? This site will help you a lot so read, read, read and use the search function. Welcome to swf!
I have been on here for the past 2 days straight, just reading and reading.
I have learned more from this forum than ALL of my salt water books combined. And I have a lot of books now.
Actually, surprisingly nothing too bad happened. I have been incredibly lucky.
My white sebae anemone (which I paid $50 for) was sucked up into a pump and so was the dragon goby and valentini puffer. Have since replaced the pump, replaced the dragon goby and the puffer. My fuzzy dwarf lionfish I could not get him to eat, so I am pretty sure he starved to death, but I have never found the body. I think the cleaner crew probably ate him. But I only got that idea from reading things on this forum. One chromis and the orange shoulder tang died during the move and haven't replaced them. The blonde naso tang died for no apparent reason. Other than that... everything is still in there, getting along, and looking healthy and colorful.
 
I also have more questions...
-Is it very hurtful to the tank to move the live rock around a lot?
-Can anyone forsee any problems with compatibility that I am not seeing yet?
-My blue hippo tang was the regular color, but now he's really dark blue on the top 1/4 of his body. Is that normal?
-What if I need to get rid of some fish for compatibility reasons... do the local fish stores take the fish you bought from online stores? If not, what do I do with the fish?
 

autofreak44

Active Member
Originally Posted by porthosandjazz
I also have more questions...
-Is it very hurtful to the tank to move the live rock around a lot?
-Can anyone forsee any problems with compatibility that I am not seeing yet?
-My blue hippo tang was the regular color, but now he's really dark blue on the top 1/4 of his body. Is that normal?
-What if I need to get rid of some fish for compatibility reasons... do the local fish stores take the fish you bought from online stores? If not, what do I do with the fish?
i personaly try to disturb my habitat as little as possible, so if you are moving around the rocks keep it to a minimum. also make shure that when moving rock you dont hit or crush anything, and make shure the rock doesnt turn into a rockslide and shatter your front glass
i havent seen any problems with compatability so far, but if you do have more than one anemone make shure they dont get to close to eachother, they will hurt eachother and other stuff in the tank
im no hippo expert but my guess is that as long as hes getting darker and not lighter he should be fine
as for your lfs taking back fish, my guess is that if they do take them off your hands, they wont give you store credit unless they are cool. also they may not take them at all its up to the owner of the store. if no one will take them, go on here and find someone that wants him...
 

snaredrum

Member
You have a very nice setup. Just be very careful and ask alot of questions because you are caring for critters that are not beginners to say the least. The people on here have saved me alot of headaches from time to time. So keep reading. Good Luck and post some pictures of your progress.
 
Originally Posted by autofreak44
i personaly try to disturb my habitat as little as possible, so if you are moving around the rocks keep it to a minimum. also make shure that when moving rock you dont hit or crush anything, and make shure the rock doesnt turn into a rockslide and shatter your front glass
i havent seen any problems with compatability so far, but if you do have more than one anemone make shure they dont get to close to eachother, they will hurt eachother and other stuff in the tank
im no hippo expert but my guess is that as long as hes getting darker and not lighter he should be fine
as for your lfs taking back fish, my guess is that if they do take them off your hands, they wont give you store credit unless they are cool. also they may not take them at all its up to the owner of the store. if no one will take them, go on here and find someone that wants him...

Yeah, it makes sense that you shouldn't move your rocks around a lot. It's just that I never feel like it's sitting right. I can't get the feng shui aligned. heh. But I will just let it sit like it is now for a while.
The lady at the fish store told me to move my rocks around whenever I get new fish so that the fish already in the tank will be less territorial. But I have been very careful about not letting rocks slide or crush anything.
Thank goodness about the blue hippo tang. He's so sweet and cute. I am still going to keep a really close eye on him. Because I read on here that blue hippo tangs are susceptible to disease due to stress. And I don't want to lose him. He's amazing and fun!
Thank you so much for taking the time to reply!!!!
 

sfoister

Member
Originally Posted by porthosandjazz
Yeah, it makes sense that you shouldn't move your rocks around a lot. It's just that I never feel like it's sitting right. I can't get the feng shui aligned. heh. But I will just let it sit like it is now for a while.
The lady at the fish store told me to move my rocks around whenever I get new fish so that the fish already in the tank will be less territorial. But I have been very careful about not letting rocks slide or crush anything.
Thank goodness about the blue hippo tang. He's so sweet and cute. I am still going to keep a really close eye on him. Because I read on here that blue hippo tangs are susceptible to disease due to stress. And I don't want to lose him. He's amazing and fun!
Thank you so much for taking the time to reply!!!!
I move my rocks around weekly it seems... I think I finally have them right. Just don't disturb the sand too much and you'll be okay. Having your nappy hands in the tank everyday is what really messes with your chemistry.
I try not to move my rocks around more than once a week, and now that I have it how I like it I'm not going to move them around at all.
 

reefforbrains

Active Member
Hahaha welcome to the boards.
My Condolences on the addiction, ..........psst it never goes away, just gets progressivly more and more expensive.
Awesome to see people exited about the hobby. Read, read, and read some more.
 
Originally Posted by ReefForBrains
Hahaha welcome to the boards.
My Condolences on the addiction, ..........psst it never goes away, just gets progressivly more and more expensive.
Awesome to see people exited about the hobby. Read, read, and read some more.

large spider decorator crab
sally lightfoot crab,
arrow crab,
teddy bear crab,
horseshoe crab,
70 blue hermit crabs,
fuzzy dwarf lionfish,
emperor angelfish,
foxface rabbitfish,
copperbanded butterfly fish,
fire shrimp, pistol shrimp,
2 cleaner shrimps,
1 coral banded shrimp,
choc chip star fish (which ate my 2 flame scallops),
blonde naso tang, pipefish,
3 feather dusters, 1 huge colt coral,
1 bubble tip anemone,
1 florida condii anemone,
2 more clownfish (on the opposite side of tank as other clownfish),
10 snails,
2 cleaner clams,
3 emerald crabs,
5 mushroom polyps,
frogspawn coral,
bicolor blenny,
green mandarin fish,
blue hippo tang,
a valentini puffer,
white sebae anemone,
pink tip hatian anemone,
yellow gorgonian,
red gorgonian,
engineer goby,
dragon goby,
3 anemone crabs,
3 curly q anemone,
a yellow cucumber,
a lettuce nudibranch,
1 peppermint shrimp,
3 large xenia colonies,
a volitan lionfish,
a ringed pipefish,
and a fuzzy dwarf lionfish
Thank you so much!
I changed my list to vertical so you all could see how bad the addiction is. I am already looking around for 225 gallon tanks :embarassed: :D
 
Originally Posted by sfoister
I move my rocks around weekly it seems... I think I finally have them right. Just don't disturb the sand too much and you'll be okay. Having your nappy hands in the tank everyday is what really messes with your chemistry.
I try not to move my rocks around more than once a week, and now that I have it how I like it I'm not going to move them around at all.
Yeah, I have moved the rock a lot since I have gotten the tank. Everything is still doing well. Again, I will say that I have been really really lucky. I keep doing the wrong things, but my fish and other stuff keeps on living.
 

ophiura

Active Member
125g with 100lbs of LR; established basically a few months after a move.
The previous owner had it thriving...and note with only 7 fish. That was appropriate stocking for this tank :)
I had to break this out, because there are big problems here. How long has this been "working?" What are your specific parameters? All I can see is that this simply can not work long term. PLEASE consider trading most of this livestock - at least several anemones and fish - back
Do you want this to be a reef tank?
INVERTS:
large spider decorator crab
sally lightfoot crab
arrow crab
teddy bear crab
horseshoe crab - poor choice for nearly any tank, most will not survive long term
70 blue hermit crabs
fire shrimp
pistol shrimp
2 cleaner shrimps
1 coral banded shrimp
choc chip star fish (which ate my 2 flame scallops) - not reef safe and a threat to ALL of your anemones, corals, snails, etc
3 feather dusters
10 snails
2 cleaner clams
3 emerald crabs
3 anemone crabs
a yellow cucumber - what filter feeding foods are you using
a lettuce nudibranch
1 peppermint shrimp
CORALS:
1 huge colt coral
5 mushroom polyps
frogspawn coral
yellow gorgonian
red gorgonian
3 large xenia colonies
ANEMONES: need very good lighting, mature tanks with pristine water conditions, and have the ability to wage warfare on each other and corals...to be honest, I have never seen anyone put this many different anemones in one tank
white sebae anemone
pink tip hatian anemone
1 bubble tip anemone
1 florida condii anemone
white sebae anemone - DEAD
pink tip hatian anemone
3 curly q anemone
Dinner plate sized anemone
FISH:
fuzzy dwarf lionfish - DEAD
emperor angelfish
foxface rabbitfish
copperbanded butterfly fish
blonde naso tang - DEAD
pipefish - specialized diet, not typically kept in large community tank
2 more clownfish (on the opposite side of tank as other clownfish)
bicolor blenny
green mandarin fish
blue hippo tang
a valentini puffer
engineer goby - get large and redecorate the tank, possible undermining integrity of rocks
dragon goby
a volitan lionfish - a threat to smaller fish, all shrimp
Mated jumbo clownfish (2)
large yellow tang
large orange shoulder tang -DEAD
a fully grown lawnmower blenny
one chromis
As they grow, many of these fish will get very large. I would just really really reconsider keeping all of them.
 
Originally Posted by ophiura
125g with 100lbs of LR; established basically a few months after a move.
The previous owner had it thriving...and note with only 7 fish. That was appropriate stocking for this tank :)
I had to break this out, because there are big problems here. How long has this been "working?" What are your specific parameters? All I can see is that this simply can not work long term. PLEASE consider trading most of this livestock - at least several anemones and fish - back
Do you want this to be a reef tank?
INVERTS:
large spider decorator crab
sally lightfoot crab
arrow crab
teddy bear crab
horseshoe crab - poor choice for nearly any tank, most will not survive long term
70 blue hermit crabs
fire shrimp
pistol shrimp
2 cleaner shrimps
1 coral banded shrimp
choc chip star fish (which ate my 2 flame scallops) - not reef safe and a threat to ALL of your anemones, corals, snails, etc
3 feather dusters
10 snails
2 cleaner clams
3 emerald crabs
3 anemone crabs
a yellow cucumber - what filter feeding foods are you using
a lettuce nudibranch
1 peppermint shrimp
CORALS:
1 huge colt coral
5 mushroom polyps
frogspawn coral
yellow gorgonian
red gorgonian
3 large xenia colonies
ANEMONES: need very good lighting, mature tanks with pristine water conditions, and have the ability to wage warfare on each other and corals...to be honest, I have never seen anyone put this many different anemones in one tank
white sebae anemone
pink tip hatian anemone
1 bubble tip anemone
1 florida condii anemone
white sebae anemone - DEAD
pink tip hatian anemone
3 curly q anemone
Dinner plate sized anemone
FISH:
fuzzy dwarf lionfish - DEAD
emperor angelfish
foxface rabbitfish
copperbanded butterfly fish
blonde naso tang - DEAD
pipefish - specialized diet, not typically kept in large community tank
2 more clownfish (on the opposite side of tank as other clownfish)
bicolor blenny
green mandarin fish
blue hippo tang
a valentini puffer
engineer goby - get large and redecorate the tank, possible undermining integrity of rocks
dragon goby
a volitan lionfish - a threat to smaller fish, all shrimp
Mated jumbo clownfish (2)
large yellow tang
large orange shoulder tang -DEAD
a fully grown lawnmower blenny
one chromis
As they grow, many of these fish will get very large. I would just really really reconsider keeping all of them.
/div> Ok, the sebae anemone got sucked into one of their old pumps.
The orange shoulder tang died during the move... they moved it.
And I totally know that I have to get rid of stuff. Thank you for helping me. I just really didn't know where to start :)
The lady at the fish store repeatedly assured me that having lionfish is fine and can live peacefully with other fish, no problems. So far she is right, but I agree, I have been lucky so far. And luck can go either way.
I definitely need to get rid of choc chip starfish. So far he's been great! And he is fun to watch! But after talking to people on here, I realize that won't last forever.
Going to get rid of the chromis because in all honesty, he's not my favorite fish in the world. I betcha someone else could love him more ^_^
Probably will get rid of volitan because my husband doesn't feel comfortable having him. I know in my brain that he is not compatible, but I think he's so adorable!!!!
The engineer gobies get large?? He's so tiny though! God, I can't believe how crazy I went buying fish. Yeah. It's time to slow down and figure this all out. Thank you so much for your help!
when I bought the horseshoe crab online, it said nothing about it not being a good choice. It just said "they are so fun to watch!" And the lady at the store said "As a general rule, the book will say they get so big, but that's out in the wild. They don't get that big in an aquarium."
I have good lighting and the anemones are on opposite side of the tank. So far they are fine, but I shouldn't bank on that either.
Do you think they will be ok for a while until I get a bigger tank? Like another six months?
 
Originally Posted by Snaredrum
You have a very nice setup. Just be very careful and ask alot of questions because you are caring for critters that are not beginners to say the least. The people on here have saved me alot of headaches from time to time. So keep reading. Good Luck and post some pictures of your progress.
I will try to post some pictures tomorrow! :) I am not the best photographer though.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by porthosandjazz
..... They don't get that big in an aquarium."...
I have good lighting and the anemones are on opposite side of the tank. So far they are fine, but I shouldn't bank on that either....
They don't get big in aquariums because they die. Your local fish store woman is giving you bad advice.
Anemones do not have to be close to each other to hurt your tank. They can shed stinging cells and chemically attack each other in the tank.
 

ophiura

Active Member
It is not necessarily a question of a bigger tank. They can move...and many corals will secrete toxins in the water as well whether next to each other or not. It is just a risky combination of things. What kind of lighting do you have?
Personally, I STRONGLY suggest you find a new LFS, because the advice given (for example on the lion) is JUST PLAIN WRONG. They will eat anything that fits in their mouth, and will try to see what will fit.
Engineer gobies get quite large, and make lots of tunnels in the sand under the rock. This can be very risky in some respects.
The horseshoe crab will just not likely survive long term. They are often blown around by our pumps, which people think is "fun" but really it is extremely sad because it is an animal that is being blown around. If behaving normally, they are rather boring, because they are bulldozing below the sand (eating things you don't want them to eat).
Animals we keep should have the potential at least to get as large as in the wild. If not, we have to ask why not...and often it is due to our husbandry.
Again, I strongly encourage you to find a new LFS, or at the very least NOT buy another thing without a lot of research before hand. They are, plain and simple, giving you very wrong information (whether they know it is wrong...hard to know for sure).
But it would help to have your specific water parameters, including alkalinity, calcium and such. That is a huge bioload, and there may be some problems brewing that can be spotted.
I would say yes, you have been lucky..but it hasn't been tested for very long :(
 
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