Copper Treatment

sh2000

sh2000

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Ok I have a friend that has a sick tang with white spots on it she removed it from her DT to her 10 gal QT she can not do hypo which is what I am currently using for my situation due to lack of time so I gave her my copper treatment "copper safe" I told her to get a test kit and she ordered one made by seachem..she will get it friday.
since she can not test until friday we want to make sure the copper doesnt become toxic to the tang so she went and bought a glass top to try and avoid water evaporation. What measures could she take to help avoid this besides a glass top ? should she leave the light off ? its not a powerful light just a 15w or so CF. (not strong). The directions were to add 5 ml per 4 gallons of water so she added 12 ml for the 10 gallons. Any additional info would help..also the directions said this treats the disease for 1 month...are we ok ?
Thanks.
 
al mc

al mc

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This may be best placed in the disease thread so you can get more help. Mods to move?
It is unfortunate that she had to start treatment before she had the test kit. With the situation you have....I assume (am I correct) that you are using the Seachem product , Cupramine, which is a copper product.? If so, your dose is correct. To keep the concentration without being able to test the level I would place
a piece of tape at the water level now and top off with RO water 2x daily to that point of reference until the test kit comes in.
Will it last 4 weeks with a single dose? It may. It did for me.
pass along my wish for success to your friend.
 
waterlogged

waterlogged

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They mentioned copper safe. Is that Mardel Coppersafe. If so, I think it requires a different concentration than Cupramine.
 
waterlogged

waterlogged

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Originally Posted by SH2000
http:///forum/post/2491668
yes it's Mardel what do you mean a differnt concentration ? please eleborate.
Go to there website and research before following anything I say but normal copper I think requires .25-.35PPM and Mardel Coppersafe is 1.5-2.0PPM. Double check this!
 
sh2000

sh2000

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Originally Posted by Waterlogged
http:///forum/post/2491880
Go to there website and research before following anything I say but normal copper I think requires .25-.35PPM and Mardel Coppersafe is 1.5-2.0PPM. Double check this!
What do you mean normal copper requires ,25-.35 ppm of what ? What are you saying i'm just confused , here's what happened she put in 12 ml in the 10 gal QT as per directions the fish still has lots of white spots on it but is eating brine shrimp with garlic and zoe but not lettuce or nori even with the garlic its on a veggie clip and she tried tying it to a rock. Still has the spots though how long does it take for the copper to work or to see an improvment ? the tang is not breathing heavly and is eating brine shrimp but still has white spots on the body after 2 days of copper.
 
florida joe

florida joe

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There are three different types of copper solutions I believe used to treat ick what is the exact brand of copper is she using
 
sh2000

sh2000

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Mardel Copper Safe ...directions add 5 ml per 4 gal..she put 12 ml in 10 gal of water. so far after 2 days still many white spots on the body of the tang.
 
waterlogged

waterlogged

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My fish had ich and I used Mardel Coppersafe but Sepulation said it took a stronger dose so I went to the doctors website to check it out and Sepulation was right. You need a test kit for copper. I dosed exactly as the bottle said and it wasn't strong enough. Sorry is I'm confusing you but I am trying to help you. I don't want your ich to come back in a month.
 
mscarpena

mscarpena

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Why can she not do hyposalinity?? Also it will take more than 2 days for the ick to go away. Also try feeding th algae without the garlic to see if it will eat it then. The ick on the fish will not die it will need to go through it's normal life cycle then when the ick is in the larval stage is when the copper will kill it. I beleive it take 5-7 days for the ick to reproduce depends on temp. Then the ick will fall off of the fish. What type of tang is this. Also make sure this tank has good airation and no chemical media such as carbon because this will remove the copper. Do not panic because the ick is still there after a few days and add more copper. Also try getting some live alage from the fish store to see if the tang will eat that. Try soaking it in vitamins if it does eat that.
 
sh2000

sh2000

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she puts the item or soaks the item in liquid garlic and zoe which is what I always do, I told her that advice. she doesn't have a refractometer and she cant monitor it I told her to do Hypo- she said she can do copper. The filter she has has no carbon in it it's a HOB filter for a 20 gal. tank in her 10 gal. QT not sure the make or model.she has no added anymore copper except in the original directions of 12 ML for 10 gallons (5 ml per 4 gallons ) she keeps the temp at 80F. What is good airation ? Wouldn't she want to avoid evaporation? She has a glass cover but leaves the light off to avoid evaporation and the copper level getting too high and toxic to the tang, until she gets the copper test this weekend. Will the copper test by Seachem work with Mardel copper safe ? or will she need to purchase a different copper test made by Mardel ?
 
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