CRIMZY need help..

coral keeper

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WOW... That lady is crazy! The owner of the business will pay you as much as he/she wants. If you don't like it, get the hell out!
 

renogaw

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technically women are truly underpaid for the same work they do. my wife is one of them, who was told that she's actually UNDER the 25th percentile for pay for the work she does.
 

oceansidefish

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Its true...Women are between 68 and 74 cents on the dollar for men in the same position....I was there until I got my raise this year because I rule the world.
 

shogun323

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I am curious to know how this lady found she was making $6,000 less than the others. Discussing pay with other employees is a no-no.
 

renogaw

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according to the article, she saw other people's paychecks somehow.
in my wife's case, the manager actually told her she was very underpaid
 

crimzy

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It really shouldn't be that difficult to verify the salaries are disproportionate. In the example in the article, she saw the other employees' paystubs. In your wife's situation, she was told that she is paid less so as long as the source is reliable, then she could proceed.
Once the case is filed, the plaintiff/petitioner can acquire co-workers' paystubs through discovery.
 

renogaw

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it was during her review from her manager, who is in charge of bonuses, salaries, promotions, etc. they were trying to figure out a way to get her a higher salary (by possible promotion) right before all this financial crud hit the insurance companies, and everything was frozen.
 

oscardeuce

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She also apparently had poor performance reviews, that is at least part of why she was paid less. Her supervisor is dead, so we may never know the truth.
Now comes the beauty of the new law. They apparently removed the statute of limitiations. All you have to do is outlive your supervisor, "lose" your performance reviews then claim racism, sexism, or whatever "ism" you want lead to your low pay. Then you can get rich. Never mind the fact you were a lazy good for nothing.
 

bionicarm

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Where are you getting this information about her getting the salary difference during her review, and that she had a poor review? This is what was said in the article:
"I did not learn of the pay discrimination until late in my career," Ledbetter, a former employee with Goodyear Tire and Rubber, said during an interview with CNN. "Someone left me an anonymous note in my mailbox at work showing my pay versus three males. And we four were doing the exact same job."
Ledbetter retired after 19 years working for Goodyear in Gadsden, Alabama. She filed a complaint with the EEOC in March 1998, alleging that men in her plant doing similar work were paid 15 to 40 percent more.
The records backed her up. Ledbetter proved that she was being paid $6,000 less than men doing the same work, including those who were the lowest paid in their job duties.
Ultimately, both the EEOC and a jury ruled in her favor. Ledbetter was awarded $360,000 in back pay.
She got the pay information from an anonymous email. So she sued Goodyear for the money she deserved, what's wrong with that? Also, she just stayed diligent and got a bill passed to overturn the following:
A federal appeals court later threw out her claim, limiting her lawsuit to discrimination that may have happened in the six months prior to her initial complaint with the EEOC. A three-judge panel also dismissed the pay discrimination allegations during that 180-day window.
She's not getting the money she was awarded. She gets nothing except the satisfaction that another person won't get hosed the same way she did.
 

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2934668
Where are you getting this information about her getting the salary difference during her review, and that she had a poor review? This is what was said in the article:
"I did not learn of the pay discrimination until late in my career," Ledbetter, a former employee with Goodyear Tire and Rubber, said during an interview with CNN. "Someone left me an anonymous note in my mailbox at work showing my pay versus three males. And we four were doing the exact same job."
Ledbetter retired after 19 years working for Goodyear in Gadsden, Alabama. She filed a complaint with the EEOC in March 1998, alleging that men in her plant doing similar work were paid 15 to 40 percent more.
The records backed her up. Ledbetter proved that she was being paid $6,000 less than men doing the same work, including those who were the lowest paid in their job duties.
Ultimately, both the EEOC and a jury ruled in her favor. Ledbetter was awarded $360,000 in back pay.
She got the pay information from an anonymous email. So she sued Goodyear for the money she deserved, what's wrong with that? Also, she just stayed diligent and got a bill passed to overturn the following:
A federal appeals court later threw out her claim, limiting her lawsuit to discrimination that may have happened in the six months prior to her initial complaint with the EEOC. A three-judge panel also dismissed the pay discrimination allegations during that 180-day window.
She's not getting the money she was awarded. She gets nothing except the satisfaction that another person won't get hosed the same way she did.
"Goodyear's lawyers countered with evidence that Ledbetter's poor job performance was to blame.
The company, they argued, took pains to prevent prejudice when handing out raises. In 1982, the Gadsden plant implemented a system that made good raises contingent on good work. Each department manager was tasked with annual evaluations of the employees under his or her supervision.
Based on objective performance measurements and with each employee's input, the managers ranked each worker in relation to the others. The managers would then recommend raises for those who deserved them.
In practice, the record showed, all but the bottom of each year's barrel got raises. Consistently ranked among the worst, Ledbetter was skipped over for raises year after year. She was scheduled for lay-offs three times in 10 years."
http://otd.oyez.org/articles/2007/05...er-co-05292007
As with almost all things in life, the truth is somewhere in the middle. She is not the superwoman the press portrays her as. Nor is Goodyear the evil villian portrayed in this mess. I'm sure they both had dirty hands. She could have worked harder, and they could have given more equitable pay.
Now we have a monster law that would make me think twice about hiring anyone. I am now a proud small business owner, and this makes me want to seel everything and get out of business.
BTW I would not rely on a CNN article for the truth.
 

renogaw

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2934687
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Now we have a monster law that would make me think twice about hiring anyone. I am now a proud small business owner, and this makes me want to seel everything and get out of business.
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wouldnt it be easier to pay people somewhat equitably IF they do the same job to the same standards? my wife does 60% of the work load and fixes the work that the three males she works with mess up. yet she's paid probably 30-40k less a year because she's a woman.
 

reefraff

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There is a reason women are paid less. PMS costs a weeks worth of productivity every month.

Some of those Generic numbers about women getting x amount of cents on the dollar are BS. They take years in the workforce without accounting for career brakes taken by women when they have kids.
I saw one study that put it at around 90 cents on the dollar which still aint right but moving in the right direction.
This is a good law. If the company doesn't keep records as to why an employee makes less than their peers they deserve to lose.
Good luck Renogaw. I would consider the likely hood of the wife winning back pay but losing a job if you do go to court. I think you might be better served by using the new law as a bargaining chip. It sounds like her boss was trying to do right by her. If she's been there a long time the back pay may be worth more than the job.
 

cranberry

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2934756
They take years in the workforce without accounting for career brakes taken by women when they have kids.
We are having your
kids!!!!!
But I guess I should be thankful I can vote.
Sorry, gotta go take off my shoes.... the kitchen is calling.
 

darknes

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I have no problem with this law, let me get that straight first.

I do however, fear that it's going to lead to the following act that Obama had cosponsored during the last congressional session. It basically says that a librarian should get the same pay as a truck driver because the required "skills" are equivalent, but the librarian is a female dominated job and truck driver is a male dominated job.
Fair Pay Act, H.R. 2019, S. 1087 (110th Congress)
The Fair Pay Act, introduced in the Senate by Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) and in the House of Representatives by Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-DC), would address the problem of lower wages in female-dominated fields by requiring equal pay between comparable jobs that are segregated on the basis of --- or race.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/2934805
We are having your
kids!!!!!
But I guess I should be thankful I can vote.
Sorry, gotta go take off my shoes.... the kitchen is calling.

Your husband obviously left you too much slack when he chained you to the stove

Hey, if you take a year or two off work to have a kid you are not doing your employer any favors. Why would you expect to get the same money when you re-enter the workforce as someone who has been on the job gaining experience why you were off cleaning up after turd volcanoes and crumb crunchers?
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Darknes
http:///forum/post/2934808
I have no problem with this law, let me get that straight first.

I do however, fear that it's going to lead to the following act that Obama had cosponsored during the last congressional session. It basically says that a librarian should get the same pay as a truck driver because the required "skills" are equivalent, but the librarian is a female dominated job and truck driver is a male dominated job.
Fair Pay Act, H.R. 2019, S. 1087 (110th Congress)
The Fair Pay Act, introduced in the Senate by Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) and in the House of Representatives by Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-DC), would address the problem of lower wages in female-dominated fields by requiring equal pay between comparable jobs that are segregated on the basis of --- or race.
That is comparable worth and was soundly defeated.
This law is a completely different animal. It says if you discover you are being paid less based on your gender you have 180 days from your last paycheck to file suit. Previous law said you had 180 day from when the underpayment started. If it took a year before you realized you were getting paid less than a co worker with the same job you couldn't sue because of the time limit.
 

renogaw

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the only thing i don't like about this law is it has come at a very hard time, especially for some businesses.
if businesses have to pay years worth of back pay, without the revenue to support it, that business is going to probably croak.
yes, it can be said that the company made extra money over the years due to not paying properly, but with companies reporting billions of dollars of losses (well, not exxon mobil....
) that would be a lot of unfair wages to make up that much money.
 

cranberry

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2934821
Hey, if you take a year or two off work to have a kid you are not doing your employer any favors. Why would you expect to get the same money when you re-enter the workforce as someone who has been on the job gaining experience why you were off cleaning up after turd volcanoes and crumb crunchers?
No...I don't want equal pay for less time put in. If I've been in a particular sector for 20 years but took 2 years off for babies, I wouldn't want the same experience pay as the man who has been working on his skill set for 20 years but I would expect to get paid as much as the man who has been working 18... just like me.
And I haven't been off taking care of your
turd volcanos and crumb crunchers...... I decided to have none. So why am I getting paid less on the basis or your "time off" arguement?
 
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