death, ich and bastard LFS!

saltn00b

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well my LFS that i aquired the gear for initial set up of my SWLR tank (that i have since banned and vowed to never return) continues to screw me over. I dont want to get into a rant about ALL the stuff this guy did that was down right wrong, but this is the current situation.
:mad: :mad: :mad:
juvy emperor was found dead this morning. he hasn eaten anything since we got him except for grazing. he had lasted about 2+ weeks. initially he was a little bleached, but i resolved some water quality issues and he seemed to get better.
that is, until last night, when i came home, and pretty much all of my (remaining) fish have ich. that is 1 perc clown, 1 raccoon BF, 1 rock blenny, 1 powder brown tang, and 1 yellow wrasse. the white spots are visible on the BF, the Juvy emps fins (dead), and on the clown fish. i have noticed the blenny, the BF and the tang do the occasional gil scrape on the sand, so i am assuming the ich is all over the tank.
my hospital tank wont be ready for another 10 days or so with its cycling so i dont know how much of an option it is. My new, very informative and helpful LFS told me to try this stuff called "Ich Attack". the bottle says to use 5ml per every 10 gallons, so i applied it last night and the fish that had been healthy up until the appearance of ich, (all but the emp) seemed to have a reduction in white spots. the stuff is copper free and is meant to be applied directly to the tank.
so my questions are:
1) anyone ever heard of this "Ich Attack" ? and if so what did you hear? whats your opinion on the stuff?
2) on the bottle it says remove carbon from filter during treatment. now does this mean the carbon balls in my wet / dry? and does "during the treatment" mean for the week + of applying the stuff or just for when im actually putting it in the tank?
we also have the copper based ich medication, but we are saving that for applying to individual fish when we can get the hospital tank goin finally.
 

elfdoctors

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Many people on these boards had similar experiences. You have to remember that the LFS is happy to sell you quick fixes (particularly if they don't really solve the problem so that you periodically have fish die which you have to replace). I stopped buying fish from the LFS and purchased almost all of my current fish from swf.com. I have not had any cases of ich from fish I have purchased here. I, and most people on these boards, do not have any incentive to give you misinformation. Many of the LFS owners got their start in freshwater and then branched out to marine fish only after the market demand expanded. Freshwater expertise does not translate into saltwater expertise. I hope that some of the misinformation given by LFS owners is not intentional.
I would check out the sticky at the top of this forum and do hyposalinity. If you need to use the hospital tank immediately, you can often make it safer by using a product such as Amquel to prevent ammonia and nitrite poisoning.
 

bdhough

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Biozyme is another helper with the cycle. Both provide beneficial bacteria to keep ammonia and nitrites from building up to toxic levels. Some are more known than others :)
 

saltn00b

Active Member
ok , thanks. i will look into those products. but as far as the Ich medication, Ich Attack, or similar items goes, does anyone have some insight on those types of products?
i seem to gather that all of the "safe to put in your main tank, wont kill inverts etc. etc." type ich treatments are not reliable as the other sure fire methods like copper and desalinization.
 

bdhough

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Well apparently the only true way to treat it is through hypo treatment. I'm no chemist but the chems seem to help but don't fully cure...
 

saltn00b

Active Member
so would the best bet be to put all the fish in 10g QT tank when that is ready, Desal it, and keep the inverts in the main tank?
 

bdhough

Active Member
With the amount of fish you have cramming them in a 10 might be suicide. Fish can fight off ich on their own. Overfeed them, add some garlic and zoecon, and generally make sure your fish are super happy and it might go away.
Just make sure you don't spike your nitrates or other levels in the process of overfeeding. Less more frequently would be the way to do that.
Mean time search through disease forum and look for ich stuff.
 
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