Diatom everywhere!!! HELP!!!

slider101

Member
I have brown algae everywhere now!! I know you guys have said this is normal but it is on all my rocks, crushed coral bed, heater, pumps and now the back wall. Tank still hasn't cycled yet. What do I do? Just let it consume everything now and wait till I cycle to put in the clean up crew and let them clean it? Or do I need to try and remove some of this stuff? Is this stuff good even though it is ugly? HELP!!
PS, does the diatoms mean that the water is getting better or worse?
 

coastie81

Member
Originally Posted by slider101
http:///forum/post/2864408
I have brown algae everywhere now!! I know you guys have said this is normal but it is on all my rocks, crushed coral bed, heater, pumps and now the back wall. Tank still hasn't cycled yet. What do I do? Just let it consume everything now and wait till I cycle to put in the clean up crew and let them clean it? Or do I need to try and remove some of this stuff? Is this stuff good even though it is ugly? HELP!!
it is normal. Just let it run its cycle once all the nutrients in the water are all gone it will go away. How did you try to run the cycle. IE; alot of die off from your live rock? Raw shrimp method? I would not suggest using fish to start any cycle. Also you can test your phosphates and see if they are high. But my opinion I would just let it run it's course. Everyone goes throught it. It just means that your tank is maturing. Just my .02
 

scopus tang

Active Member
A diatom blood is a normal part of the cycling process; however if yours is happening before the spikes have occurred, you may have issues with silica in your water source. What type of water are you using, and if it is RO water, where are you getting it from?
 

slider101

Member
Tap water for now. My ammonia is at 0, my nitrates are around 20, and my Nitrites are around 1.0. I haven't tested for anything else yet as I dont have a different test kit. I have close to 50 lbs of live rock in my 55 gal tank and crushed corral bed. Nothing living in there yet. I haven't done anything except clean the rock when i got it by rinsing it in salt water and cleaning out the holes in the rock in case something was hiding in there. Water is crystal clear. I have a bio wheel and protein skimmer running and 260 watts of light on it. Temp is holding between 79-81. PH is around 7.8.
PS, does the diatoms mean that the water is getting better or worse?

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sepulatian

Moderator
Originally Posted by slider101
http:///forum/post/2864459
Tap water for now. My ammonia is at 0, my nitrates are around 20, and my Nitrites are around 1.0. I haven't tested for anything else yet as I dont have a different test kit. I have close to 50 lbs of live rock in my 55 gal tank and crushed corral bed. Nothing living in there yet. I haven't done anything except clean the rock when i got it by rinsing it in salt water and cleaning out the holes in the rock in case something was hiding in there. Water is crystal clear. I have a bio wheel and protein skimmer running and 260 watts of light on it. Temp is holding between 79-81. PH is around 7.8.
PS, does the diatoms mean that the water is getting better or worse?

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You may have silicates and/or phosphates from the tap water. It does look terrible when the bloom hits hard, but it will subside. Can you buy RO water for water changes? Many stores have a Culligan machine up front where you can get water for around .25 a gallon. You can dillute the concentration of silicates/phosphates in the tank. The diatoms will feed on the rest then start to die out. Diatoms do not mean that your water is getting worse. It is cycling as it should.
 

slider101

Member

Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2864521
You may have silicates and/or phosphates from the tap water. It does look terrible when the bloom hits hard, but it will subside. Can you buy RO water for water changes? Many stores have a Culligan machine up front where you can get water for around .25 a gallon. You can dillute the concentration of silicates/phosphates in the tank. The diatoms will feed on the rest then start to die out. Diatoms do not mean that your water is getting worse. It is cycling as it should.
Yeah, when I did water changes I was going to buy bottled water or from a machine. So the Diatoms are feeding on what is in the water and when they are gone does that mean I have cycled?
 

scopus tang

Active Member
Originally Posted by slider101
http:///forum/post/2864552

Yeah, when I did water changes I was going to buy bottled water or from a machine. So the Diatoms are feeding on what is in the water and when they are gone does that mean I have cycled?
Yes and not necessarily; Diatoms feed on silicates and phosphates in the water, and every time you add tap water (assuming is has some silicates and/or phosphates), you keep adding to the problem. As Sep. said, if you start diluting with RO water, then the diatoms will use up whats available and start dying out. Phosphates, like nitrites and nitrates, can be a result of the cycling process, silicates are not. So long as silicates remain available, the diatoms will continue to bloom; However just because silicates are used up, doesn't mean that the nitrogen cycle has ended. The best/only sure way to know that the cycle is finished is to use test kits and follow the spikes; on average, the "cycle" can take 3 to 6 weeks or longer depending on what you started with, then the algae blooms generally start, and its usually a matter of months before the "chemistry" of the tank stabilizes. Again, it varies depending on how you set up your tank - CC vs live sand (real ls vs. bagged ls), base rock vs. live rock (quality and amount - cured or uncured); additionally, the light cycle and lights you have can also affect the "Cycle". So unfortunately, there is no easy way to say do this and this and in X weeks your cycle will be finished - too many variables you see
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sepulatian

Moderator
Right you can't go by the diatom bloom. Use your test kits to figure out where you are in the cycle. You have zero ammonia and some nitrite. Let the nitrite cycle out. You wolud have gotten diatoms even if you used RO from the start, just not a bad. They happen in every single tank.
 

florida joe

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by Scopus Tang
http:///forum/post/2865048
Yes and not necessarily; Diatoms feed on silicates and phosphates in the water, and every time you add tap water (assuming is has some silicates and/or phosphates), you keep adding to the problem. As Sep. said, if you start diluting with RO water, then the diatoms will use up whats available and start dying out. Phosphates, like nitrites and nitrates, can be a result of the cycling process, silicates are not. So long as silicates remain available, the diatoms will continue to bloom; However just because silicates are used up, doesn't mean that the nitrogen cycle has ended. The best/only sure way to know that the cycle is finished is to use test kits and follow the spikes; on average, the "cycle" can take 3 to 6 weeks or longer depending on what you started with, then the algae blooms generally start, and its usually a matter of months before the "chemistry" of the tank stabilizes. Again, it varies depending on how you set up your tank - CC vs live sand (real ls vs. bagged ls), base rock vs. live rock (quality and amount - cured or uncured); additionally, the light cycle and lights you have can also affect the "Cycle". So unfortunately, there is no easy way to say do this and this and in X weeks your cycle will be finished - too many variables you see
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Well Randy my good and old friend I can not think of anyone I would rather use my 3000th post on then you well maybe Sir Q but she is so hard on me so let me just say this I totally agree with your post
 

sepulatian

Moderator
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/2865088
Well Randy my good and old friend I can not think of anyone I would rather use my 3000th post on then you well maybe Sir Q but she is so hard on me so let me just say this I totally agree with your post
Happy 3,000th post Joe!!!
 
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