Difficult Zoos or Palys
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nano reefer
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easy i think. Dont require much flow. Not much light. Phyto is enough to feed them. The only thing difficult would be duncans i think.
niskyvaulter
Member
ive heard that generally, smaller polyps are harder to care for, like darth mauls
angler man
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Originally Posted by Kevin34
http:///forum/post/2612965
Are there any difficult to keep zoos or palys out there? What are the care levels of people eaters, wrath of gods, and purple deaths?
Darth Mauls are very risky, any thing that may look similar are tough as well. All People Earters are considered volatile. I have heard stories of people who have had PPE's that were doing great and all the sudden melted away while all the other paly's and zoa's were doing fine.
On another forum there is a thread that actually lists names of polyps that are hard to keep, here they are:
PPE's (Purple PE)
Redwines
Vols Orange
Caribbean Blue
Armageddon (true)
Darth Mauls
Happy Samhain
PPRPE (propagators Purple Rimmed PE)
GPE (Green PE)
RPE (Red PE)
PRPE (Pink Rim PE)
Desert Fox PE
Milky Way PE
Chameleon PE
Pink Elephants
Alien Eyes
Jokers
Most Pinks
Hope this may help, and in my honest opinion, I would wait for the Wrath of Gods. They are new, so I would wait for some aquaculturing before I took the risk. If you see them completely open, they look similar to the Darth Maul family. The Pic you have seen at Zoa@# is pretty misleading IMO. They aren't near as cool fully open. Purple Death is very easy BTW.
http:///forum/post/2612965
Are there any difficult to keep zoos or palys out there? What are the care levels of people eaters, wrath of gods, and purple deaths?
Darth Mauls are very risky, any thing that may look similar are tough as well. All People Earters are considered volatile. I have heard stories of people who have had PPE's that were doing great and all the sudden melted away while all the other paly's and zoa's were doing fine.
On another forum there is a thread that actually lists names of polyps that are hard to keep, here they are:
PPE's (Purple PE)
Redwines
Vols Orange
Caribbean Blue
Armageddon (true)
Darth Mauls
Happy Samhain
PPRPE (propagators Purple Rimmed PE)
GPE (Green PE)
RPE (Red PE)
PRPE (Pink Rim PE)
Desert Fox PE
Milky Way PE
Chameleon PE
Pink Elephants
Alien Eyes
Jokers
Most Pinks
Hope this may help, and in my honest opinion, I would wait for the Wrath of Gods. They are new, so I would wait for some aquaculturing before I took the risk. If you see them completely open, they look similar to the Darth Maul family. The Pic you have seen at Zoa@# is pretty misleading IMO. They aren't near as cool fully open. Purple Death is very easy BTW.
flricordia
Active Member
Originally Posted by detguy313
http:///forum/post/2613341
some of the harder ones are some of the pe types..caribbeans and solomons i find to be some of the harder to keep..and i have always heard that the samller ones are hard to keep..i do have great luck with them though
Many of the Caribbean zoanthids are sponge dwellers from what I have seen and this may have some role in why they are harder to keep. Most of the sponge during collection and transport dies off with the zoanthids following suit. Don't know if it has to do with the die-off of the sponge fouling the zoanthids immediate water conditions or if the zoanthids are semi-dependant on the sponge though.
http:///forum/post/2613341
some of the harder ones are some of the pe types..caribbeans and solomons i find to be some of the harder to keep..and i have always heard that the samller ones are hard to keep..i do have great luck with them though
Many of the Caribbean zoanthids are sponge dwellers from what I have seen and this may have some role in why they are harder to keep. Most of the sponge during collection and transport dies off with the zoanthids following suit. Don't know if it has to do with the die-off of the sponge fouling the zoanthids immediate water conditions or if the zoanthids are semi-dependant on the sponge though.
detguy313
Member
Originally Posted by Flricordia
http:///forum/post/2613632
Many of the Caribbean zoanthids are sponge dwellers from what I have seen and this may have some role in why they are harder to keep. Most of the sponge during collection and transport dies off with the zoanthids following suit. Don't know if it has to do with the die-off of the sponge fouling the zoanthids immediate water conditions or if the zoanthids are semi-dependant on the sponge though.
i do know that happens alot with zoas from other parts of the world..in fact my lfs had some sweet looking zoas that came in and that happened...i have been told that caribbean zoas need to be kept in water a little cooler than what tanks are usally ran at..i have a friend that has alot of caribbean zoas that seem to be doing fine but he does run his tank at 75-76..and he has kept them for at least a year now..thats alot longer than any of mine lasted
http:///forum/post/2613632
Many of the Caribbean zoanthids are sponge dwellers from what I have seen and this may have some role in why they are harder to keep. Most of the sponge during collection and transport dies off with the zoanthids following suit. Don't know if it has to do with the die-off of the sponge fouling the zoanthids immediate water conditions or if the zoanthids are semi-dependant on the sponge though.
i do know that happens alot with zoas from other parts of the world..in fact my lfs had some sweet looking zoas that came in and that happened...i have been told that caribbean zoas need to be kept in water a little cooler than what tanks are usally ran at..i have a friend that has alot of caribbean zoas that seem to be doing fine but he does run his tank at 75-76..and he has kept them for at least a year now..thats alot longer than any of mine lasted
clownfish11
Active Member
I've got darth mauls and so far they are easy and dotn take much..just good water and good light, and good flow..if you do all that plus spot feed once or so a week all zoas should be fine in your tank
flricordia
Active Member
Lighting I am sure plays a crutial role in keeping palys and zoas. When theya re under too much light the zooxanthillae algae produces excess oxygen which can act as poison to the host and with not enough light the algae does not produce enough nutrients, but also can produce too much oxygen, though that sounds like it should be the other way around I know. Light intensity goes hand in hand. The wrong lighting can cause not only color changes, but stress which in turn causes the polyp tissure to expell the algae in turn bringing about its death.
Water quality also needs to be kept up. On coral reefs the water is nutrient deficiant. Dirty water is a misnomer as it should really be called-zooplankton enriched, which has nothing to do with nitrate, posphate high parameters. These can both cause the polyp to stress and die.
When first getting polyps it is recommended to place them in a med lit area and work them from there. If you notice small zoanthids ae much more tolerant of lighting conditions than palythoas. It is the palythoas that, though they in turn are more resistant to pests such as nudis, need to be treated with care and not just glued to a cool looking spot and left.
If you notice most of the people that keep the nicest palythoas keep them on plugs so they can be moved easily if needed.
JMO
Water quality also needs to be kept up. On coral reefs the water is nutrient deficiant. Dirty water is a misnomer as it should really be called-zooplankton enriched, which has nothing to do with nitrate, posphate high parameters. These can both cause the polyp to stress and die.
When first getting polyps it is recommended to place them in a med lit area and work them from there. If you notice small zoanthids ae much more tolerant of lighting conditions than palythoas. It is the palythoas that, though they in turn are more resistant to pests such as nudis, need to be treated with care and not just glued to a cool looking spot and left.
If you notice most of the people that keep the nicest palythoas keep them on plugs so they can be moved easily if needed.
JMO
kevin34
Active Member
Originally Posted by Flricordia
http:///forum/post/2656781
Lighting I am sure plays a crutial role in keeping palys and zoas. When theya re under too much light the zooxanthillae algae produces excess oxygen which can act as poison to the host and with not enough light the algae does not produce enough nutrients, but also can produce too much oxygen, though that sounds like it should be the other way around I know. Light intensity goes hand in hand. The wrong lighting can cause not only color changes, but stress which in turn causes the polyp tissure to expell the algae in turn bringing about its death.
Water quality also needs to be kept up. On coral reefs the water is nutrient deficiant. Dirty water is a misnomer as it should really be called-zooplankton enriched, which has nothing to do with nitrate, posphate high parameters. These can both cause the polyp to stress and die.
When first getting polyps it is recommended to place them in a med lit area and work them from there. If you notice small zoanthids ae much more tolerant of lighting conditions than palythoas. It is the palythoas that, though they in turn are more resistant to pests such as nudis, need to be treated with care and not just glued to a cool looking spot and left.
If you notice most of the people that keep the nicest palythoas keep them on plugs so they can be moved easily if needed.
JMO
Thanks for all that info!
I have 2 250w 14K MH bulbs over my 125g with lumenarc refelctors. Any ideas of where zoas should be placed in these conditions?
http:///forum/post/2656781
Lighting I am sure plays a crutial role in keeping palys and zoas. When theya re under too much light the zooxanthillae algae produces excess oxygen which can act as poison to the host and with not enough light the algae does not produce enough nutrients, but also can produce too much oxygen, though that sounds like it should be the other way around I know. Light intensity goes hand in hand. The wrong lighting can cause not only color changes, but stress which in turn causes the polyp tissure to expell the algae in turn bringing about its death.
Water quality also needs to be kept up. On coral reefs the water is nutrient deficiant. Dirty water is a misnomer as it should really be called-zooplankton enriched, which has nothing to do with nitrate, posphate high parameters. These can both cause the polyp to stress and die.
When first getting polyps it is recommended to place them in a med lit area and work them from there. If you notice small zoanthids ae much more tolerant of lighting conditions than palythoas. It is the palythoas that, though they in turn are more resistant to pests such as nudis, need to be treated with care and not just glued to a cool looking spot and left.
If you notice most of the people that keep the nicest palythoas keep them on plugs so they can be moved easily if needed.
JMO
Thanks for all that info!