DIY sump for my 90gal

thang45

Member
Hello everyone,
I'm in process of setting up my first saltwater/reef tank. So far I have a 90gal tank and light. Now I need a sump and a skimmer.
I'm thinking of building one and after couple weeks of research I think I understand how to make one. I think.....
Can anyone please tell me which sump is best to built?
Sump #1 with Refugium
Also, I want to build a sump with a 36” tank or should I go with acrylic?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
 

wattsupdoc

Active Member
The second pic is a wet/dry, not a sump. Also, thats a competitor site. You cant post links to competitors.
The sump/ fuge is IMO by far the best filtration method today. IMO though the fuge should be as big as possible. Usually larger than the skimmer compartment, if possible. Be advised copying someone elses sedgn is not allways a good thing. There are some things that need to be considered for different tanks. Backwash and baffle height mostly.
 

thang45

Member
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2784223
The second pic is a wet/dry, not a sump. Also, thats a competitor site. You cant post links to competitors.
The sump/ fuge is IMO by far the best filtration method today. IMO though the fuge should be as big as possible. Usually larger than the skimmer compartment, if possible. Be advised copying someone elses sedgn is not allways a good thing. There are some things that need to be considered for different tanks. Backwash and baffle height mostly.
Sorry about that. I didn't know. I have removed the link.
Thanks for the info.
 

thang45

Member
Can you any please tell me what is a sump and a wet/dry? It is better to have sump/wet/dry filter together?
I though they were the same thing before.
 

wattsupdoc

Active Member
Well, a sump in it's most basic sense doesn't do anything for filtration. It it just a compartment used to store equipment in. It adds to the system's overall water volume, keeps the display cleaner and more natural, gives a location to do top offs and most commonly to utilize a skimmer. However there can be many variations of a sump.
A wet/dry IS a type of filter. These are good at breaking down organics and processing them through the nitrogen cycle. They are called wet/dry because part of the filter is constantly wet(submerged), while another part of it is not constantly wet, but kinda trickled on. This damp areas(bioballs etc) break down ammonia quickly. Thus they are beneficial in aquariums with messy eaters especially aggressive fish. However, as with anything they have their faults. Possible nitrate accumulation can and usually does occur. As well there is no mechanism to complete the biological process.
While were at it Refugiums. A refugium IS a type of filter also. It is basically a compartment that provides a REFUGE to desirable critters that may be threatened in the display. It can provide a place to give a needed time out to a misbehaving fish or other critter. But it usually doesn't host any fish for any time. These critters can grow in this environment and replenish the DT. In order to grow them you need to establish an environment friendly to their needs. While were doing that, we might as well use some things that work well for our system also. Most common elements in a refugium are live rock rubble piles, macroalgaes of various sorts, and sand beds. These things help to remove dissolved organic compounds(DOC's), nutrients and other things such as phosphates from the water column. As well as actually lower nitrates, by converting them to nitrogen gas. As well as provide a habitat for copepods, worms and other beneficial varmints.
The most common is what is usually a sump/fuge kinda combo. with a skimmer compartment and a refugium. some of these incorporate other types of filtration in them to help along the way. Sponges placed between baffles, filter socks stuffed with carbon, etc. etc. These can become a very efficient "all in one complete ecosystem filtration" very easily and neatly.
Hope I didn't get carried away there.
 

thang45

Member
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2784523
Well, a sump in it's most basic sense doesn't do anything for filtration. It it just a compartment used to store equipment in. It adds to the system's overall water volume, keeps the display cleaner and more natural, gives a location to do top offs and most commonly to utilize a skimmer. However there can be many variations of a sump.
A wet/dry IS a type of filter. These are good at breaking down organics and processing them through the nitrogen cycle. They are called wet/dry because part of the filter is constantly wet(submerged), while another part of it is not constantly wet, but kinda trickled on. This damp areas(bioballs etc) break down ammonia quickly. Thus they are beneficial in aquariums with messy eaters especially aggressive fish. However, as with anything they have their faults. Possible nitrate accumulation can and usually does occur. As well there is no mechanism to complete the biological process.
While were at it Refugiums. A refugium IS a type of filter also. It is basically a compartment that provides a REFUGE to desirable critters that may be threatened in the display. It can provide a place to give a needed time out to a misbehaving fish or other critter. But it usually doesn't host any fish for any time. These critters can grow in this environment and replenish the DT. In order to grow them you need to establish an environment friendly to their needs. While were doing that, we might as well use some things that work well for our system also. Most common elements in a refugium are live rock rubble piles, macroalgaes of various sorts, and sand beds. These things help to remove dissolved organic compounds(DOC's), nutrients and other things such as phosphates from the water column. As well as actually lower nitrates, by converting them to nitrogen gas. As well as provide a habitat for copepods, worms and other beneficial varmints.
The most common is what is usually a sump/fuge kinda combo. with a skimmer compartment and a refugium. some of these incorporate other types of filtration in them to help along the way. Sponges placed between baffles, filter socks stuffed with carbon, etc. etc. These can become a very efficient "all in one complete ecosystem filtration" very easily and neatly.
Hope I didn't get carried away there.

I love the way you have explained it. It is very clear. You didn’t carry away at all. Thank you so much for answering my question.
I didn’t know that a Refugium is a type of filter. So I don’t really need bio balls? But is it better to have bio balls/skimmer/Refugium in a 35gal sump?
BTW, I have eheim 2217, can I use it? Someone told me that doesn’t do anything for saltwater tank.
 

wattsupdoc

Active Member
Bio balls require maintenance to not be a nitrate factory. They must be periodically cleaned. LRR does not need cleaned, it will host pods and worms etc., and will help to LOWER nitrates.
An Eheim canister filter? If someone told you a canister filter" doesn't do anything for SW", they are mistaken. Canister filters have a purpose. As well, they do the job they are made for. They filter very well IMO. I cant vouch for the eheims performance, but as a whole they work very well. However, they too require maintenance to keep operating properly. They can also become a source for nitrates if not kept clean. Definitely you can use it, just keep it squeaky clean.
A refugium needs much less maintenance.
 

thang45

Member
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2785541
Bio balls require maintenance to not be a nitrate factory. They must be periodically cleaned. LRR does not need cleaned, it will host pods and worms etc., and will help to LOWER nitrates.
An Eheim canister filter? If someone told you a canister filter" doesn't do anything for SW", they are mistaken. Canister filters have a purpose. As well, they do the job they are made for. They filter very well IMO. I cant vouch for the eheims performance, but as a whole they work very well. However, they too require maintenance to keep operating properly. They can also become a source for nitrates if not kept clean. Definitely you can use it, just keep it squeaky clean.
A refugium needs much less maintenance.
Hi Doc,
I have a few questions for you.
1. If I have a 36 x 12 x 20 tank and would like to create a sump, is the Sump #1 with Refugium above is good to follow? Or you can recommend different design with this tank.
2. If I use Eheim filter then I don’t need to design a sump with bio balls?
3. Can you tell me the different between the bubble trap for picture A and picture B? Which design should I go with?
 
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