Do i have a rare tank....

[bigdog0]

ok, so i have a blue face angel, a parrot, a stingray, a bamboo shark 3 butterflys a longhorn cowfish and a purple tang and powder brown and they all eat formula and don't attack each other....oh ya, and a purple queen anthia that eats mysis, and a knoby star, a pink cucumber and 2 large lobsters, a blue spiny and a red one that i've seen on the discory chanel in mexico and a fire shrimp....and yes i do know when the stringray and shark go to much bigger i need to move up or give to a god home

 

[aw2eod]

A rare tank??...I wouldnt think so.
How old are the fish (how big are they?) and how long have they been together?

 

[bigdog0]

when i say rare, i mean rare to get a long, been together for a few months, the tangs and butterflys are 4-5" the blueface is 5-6" shark is 6" sting ray prob 3.5-4" diam. parrot if 4" cow is also about 4"

 

[aw2eod]

In my opinion, that's not really a success then, if they've only been together for a few months.
Wait another few months. You'll have a dead shark pup and ray, due to the Angel and possibly the Butterflys picking at it.
What size tank are we talking about?

 

[psusocr1]

ya not a rare tank a problem tank very soon, best of luckw ith it, ih ope the ray and shark will be o.k

 

[shark bait]

wow is this a 500 gallon tank, i'd like to see pics. Also a shark and a ray together? umm might pick one or the other. Also you have alot of bottom dwelling inverts not so good with the shark or ray. Also the blue face is nippy, watch your sharks eyes, it will happen at night when your are not around. these are all things I have learned while working on my shark tank. I will be in the 280-320 + 80g sump and doing 1 port jackson and maybe a few piolt fish and a lookdown, and thats it. sharks are most of the time a shark only tank with a few top swiming fish, thats why i'm going 30" high. I hope all works out for you, i can tell you have put alot of $$ in your tank it would be a shame to have a crash. Not to mention sad for the fish.

 

[ams153]

i hope for the fish that this tank is HUGE.. these fish shouldnt get along forever.. this is definately not a well thought out tank, youve really gotta do more research before throwing fish like these in a tank together, and i think it is wrong to get a fish with the idea that youll just get rid of it when it gets bigger.. you get it with the idea that you will keep it forever not just till it gets too big.. if it gets too big dont get it, and rethink our tank before you lose a LOT of money.. just my 2 cents.....

 

[aw2eod]

Originally Posted by shark bait
will be in the 280-320 + 80g sump and doing 1 port jackson and maybe a few piolt fish and a lookdown, and thats it.

Good advice, right up until the point until you start talking about your tank...which will not be big enough for what you're talking about.

Add another 200 - 300 gal. and then you might want to start considering Pilot Fish and Look Downs.

 

[lion_crazz]

Wow, is this still all in your 125? :scared:
Sucess is not keeping fish together for a few months. Fish live for years, so when the fish have lived years together, then, it is successful.
What most likely will happen will be the angel will nip the eyes of the shark and ray (if they don't die from small tank stress), the parrot will die from being in a small tank (these active fish need HUGE tanks), and the nitrates will eventually spike from an overcrowded tank, upsetting your butterflies.
By the way, what happend to your harlequin tusk, fu man chu lionfish, blue linkia starfish and naso tang?

 

[shark bait]

Originally Posted by AW2EOD
Good advice, right up until the point until you start talking about your tank...which will not be big enough for what you're talking about.

Add another 200 - 300 gal. and then you might want to start considering Pilot Fish and Look Downs.

you really think at my tank size the only fish that can go in is 1 port jackson!! no other fish. in my research the shark only uses the bottom 1/3 of the tank. you could use a 150 if it was 84x36x12. not ideal but fotr the shark not so bad. so if im going as big as I am what do you think about tank mates?

 

[lion_crazz]

Originally Posted by shark bait
you really think at my tank size the only fish that can go in is 1 port jackson!! no other fish. in my research the shark only uses the bottom 1/3 of the tank. you could use a 150 if it was 84x36x12. not ideal but fotr the shark not so bad. so if im going as big as I am what do you think about tank mates?
He wasn't saying the only fish you could do was the shark. He was saying that the lookdown and pilotifsh are very bad ideas because they need much larger tanks. Pilotfish get to be 3 ft. long, and lookdowns get huge and need a ton of swimming space.

 

[aw2eod]

Originally Posted by lion_crazz
He wasn't saying the only fish you could do was the shark. He was saying that the lookdown and pilotifsh are very bad ideas because they need much larger tanks. Pilotfish get to be 3 ft. long, and lookdowns get huge and need a ton of swimming space.

Thanks, lion_crazz.
Just to expand on what lion said...Look Downs will reach 14" - 16" round. They're also a schooling fish, so for health of the fish, you'd have to go with at least 3. Pilotfish/Jacks are also a schooling fish so the same rule would apply.
And...sharkbait, even at 280 - 320gal, it's still not big enough for a Port Jackson.

 

[sw65galma]

Originally Posted by BigDog0
ok, so i have a blue face angel, a parrot, a stingray, a bamboo shark 3 butterflys a longhorn cowfish and a purple tang and powder brown and they all eat formula and don't attack each other....oh ya, and a purple queen anthia that eats mysis, and a knoby star, a pink cucumber and 2 large lobsters, a blue spiny and a red one that i've seen on the discory chanel in mexico and a fire shrimp....and yes i do know when the stringray and shark go to much bigger i need to move up or give to a god home
someone I knew had an angel with a shark for about a year...
Then out of the blue...the angel ate both of the eyes out of the shark...which died a few days later.
So yes keeping them together is sort of a success...but like a pitbull...aggressive fish can strike any time for some reason.

 

[ophiura]

Additionally there are several fish that might pick at the cucumber in time. THough not as toxic as a sea apple, personally, I would not want to risk it. Parrotfish, IMO, have a poor long term chance at survival because most people do not provide an appropriate diet for them...but it will take months or longer to have issues with malnutrition. Usually, a tank should be running at least a year before there is any confidence in it...and IMO should not be close to being fully stocked until it is a year old anyway. So a few months is much much too soon to be thinking that it works.

 

[israel p]

Originally Posted by AW2EOD
Thanks, lion_crazz.
Just to expand on what lion said...Look Downs will reach 14" - 16" round. They're also a schooling fish, so for health of the fish, you'd have to go with at least 3. Pilotfish/Jacks are also a schooling fish so the same rule would apply.
And...sharkbait, even at 280 - 320gal, it's still not big enough for a Port Jackson.
Just got to say LOVE the Rick James icon
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[emmitt]

All of this is definitely a lie!
If you read his other posts you can see what he actually has. He did a post on 5-7-06 showing his 125. NO SHARK , NO RAY!
Weird, here he says theyve been together a few months. Guess he didnt realize there is a search feature which lets you read all his old posts.
On 5-6-06 he says he bought a ray and his hermit crab killed it! Likely. I know i always see hermits taking down stingrays 3 times its size

 

[zanoshanox]

emmitt, here's your badge, glad you have you on the force!

 

[shark bait]

Originally Posted by AW2EOD
Thanks, lion_crazz.
Just to expand on what lion said...Look Downs will reach 14" - 16" round. They're also a schooling fish, so for health of the fish, you'd have to go with at least 3. Pilotfish/Jacks are also a schooling fish so the same rule would apply.
And...sharkbait, even at 280 - 320gal, it's still not big enough for a Port Jackson.

Jacks are more around what I was thinking as they have been known to clean sharks.
I had confused a hornshark, max size 22-27 male to female, to the port jackson. I would need 750 gal for the port jackson. I did some more reading, and looking for my VISA and the new tank is now up to 72x36x36( i wish 84") for a total gal of 420 with 100 gal sump and ref. The 2 sharks eggs I am looking for ar brown banded and the horn shark. The horn shark needs 72-78 on the high end, anbd grows 2.0 in a year at 76, and feeding 2 times a year. the colder the tank the longer it takes for the shark to mature, up to 11 years in some sharks. So I would say I have planed far ahead. What do you think. I have been in contact with Scott Michael on another BBS and he has had some great ideas.
Thanks for the 411

 

[aw2eod]

Originally Posted by shark bait
I had confused a hornshark, max size 22-27 male to female

I'm not sure where you got said info, but it's completely inaccurate.
Heterodontus francisci will reach 97 to 120 cm. That's 38.2 to 47.2 in.
Originally Posted by shark bait
Jacks are more around what I was thinking as they have been known to clean sharks.
Caranx hippos are large, predatory fish, that do not clean sharks. They're commonly found up to 40" and can weigh in at 20 - 50lb.
I think you might be thinking of a Remora.

 

[shark bait]

Originally Posted by AW2EOD
I'm not sure where you got said info, but it's completely inaccurate.
Heterodontus francisci will reach 97 to 120 cm. That's 38.2 to 47.2 in.
Caranx hippos are large, predatory fish, that do not clean sharks. They're commonly found up to 40" and can weigh in at 20 - 50lb.
I think you might be thinking of a Remora.

YUP your in the ball park I am talking about a fully mature shark, maturity in about 10 years. at birth let's say 8", in 5 years THE SHARK SHOULD BE 18-20 give or take feeding and water temp
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