Does anyone else find it curious that "our" Gov't is buying so much ammo for domestic use?

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Why does the Social Security Administration need 174,000 rounds?
Why does the National Weather Service need 46,000 rounds?
DHS has an "indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity" order for up to 450,000,000 rounds. Why?
All for use within our borders. Why??
These articles include links to the actual .gov solicitations to purchase:
http://www.infowars.com/social-security-administration-to-purchase-174-thousand-rounds-of-hollow-point-bullets/
http://www.infowars.com/national-weather-service-follows-dhs-in-huge-ammo-purchase/
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2012/03/13/ATK-producing-ammo-for-Homeland-Security/UPI-91311331656764/
Why does the media not think this might be important?
Should we be concerned?
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Slice http:///t/392660/does-anyone-else-find-it-curious-that-our-govt-is-buying-so-much-ammo-for-domestic-use#post_3488164
Why does the Social Security Administration need 174,000 rounds?
Why does the National Weather Service need 46,000 rounds?
DHS has an "indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity" order for up to 450,000,000 rounds. Why?
All for use within our borders. Why??
These articles include links to the actual .gov solicitations to purchase:
http://www.infowars.com/social-security-administration-to-purchase-174-thousand-rounds-of-hollow-point-bullets/
http://www.infowars.com/national-weather-service-follows-dhs-in-huge-ammo-purchase/
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2012/03/13/ATK-producing-ammo-for-Homeland-Security/UPI-91311331656764/
Why does the media not think this might be important?
Should we be concerned?
Now why should you be concerned. These are just Americans exercising their 2nd Amendment rights. Maybe they're arming themselves to protect themselves from all these nutjobs who are walking into movie theaters and other public places with a cache of semi-automatic weapons. With all these conspiracy theorist who think Obama and the Feds are out to take away their guns, and are turning this country into the United Socialist Republic of America, they're arming themselves for the big revolt.
 
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392660/does-anyone-else-find-it-curious-that-our-govt-is-buying-so-much-ammo-for-domestic-use#post_3488191
Now why should you be concerned. These are just Americans exercising their 2nd Amendment rights. Maybe they're arming themselves to protect themselves from all these nutjobs who are walking into movie theaters and other public places with a cache of semi-automatic weapons. With all these conspiracy theorist who think Obama and the Feds are out to take away their guns, and are turning this country into the United Socialist Republic of America, they're arming themselves for the big revolt.
I wouldn't be surprised. Ms. Nepalatano will send out her goon squad to arrest every white heterosexual male in the country the day before the election.
Or it could be that the DHS was tasked with buying all the ammunition for all government law enforcement agencies and arranging for training sessions. Of course in typical government fashion they buy the most expensive rounds for friggin target practice.....
 
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392660/does-anyone-else-find-it-curious-that-our-govt-is-buying-so-much-ammo-for-domestic-use#post_3488191
Now why should you be concerned. These are just Americans exercising their 2nd Amendment rights. Maybe they're arming themselves to protect themselves from all these nutjobs who are walking into movie theaters and other public places with a cache of semi-automatic weapons. With all these conspiracy theorist who think Obama and the Feds are out to take away their guns, and are turning this country into the United Socialist Republic of America, they're arming themselves for the big revolt.
You apparently did not read my post nor did you read the linked articles.
These are hollow point rounds bought by the Government. For use inside our borders.
The question is why does the Government need so many rounds of hollow point ammo? What does the Weather Service need with them? What does the Social Security Admin need with them?
They did include some paper targets. About 1 target for every 1200 rounds or so.
 
mantisman51

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Shows how little he knows about the Constitution or the basic framework of our Republic. Government power is limited and the power of the citizenry is supreme. Government is not bestowed the same power and rights as the citizen. This is what you will never get him to understand. Like all liberals, he thinks the power of government is unlimited and only the government grants privileges to the subjects-the exact opposite of what our Republic was founded on and why our forefathers fought and won our independence for in the first place. Thomas Jefferson said (more or less) that those in government should have a healthy fear of the people, not the people of the government. Something bionic types can't comprehend. They want an all-powerful government that rules the people.
 
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/392660/does-anyone-else-find-it-curious-that-our-govt-is-buying-so-much-ammo-for-domestic-use#post_3488263
Shows how little he knows about the Constitution or the basic framework of our Republic. Government power is limited and the power of the citizenry is supreme. Government is not bestowed the same power and rights as the citizen. This is what you will never get him to understand. Like all liberals, he thinks the power of government is unlimited and only the government grants privileges to the subjects-the exact opposite of what our Republic was founded on and why our forefathers fought and won our independence for in the first place. Thomas Jefferson said (more or less) that those in government should have a healthy fear of the people, not the people of the government. Something bionic types can't comprehend. They want an all-powerful government that rules the people.
There you go trying to use a political ideology as a four letter word. When were government employees not considered American citizens? These government entities are allowing god-fearing Americans the ability to arm themselves from extremist like you who think the present administration is trying to take over every aspect of your life. A citizening without rules and laws, is a citizenry in chaos. There has to be some form of heirarchy where you have a group of individuals, elected by all the citizenry, to create and implement those laws. I have NEVER said that the power of government is unlimited. That's your warped interpretation of my statements. The government is limited by what the majority of the citizenry allow that government to function. The government IS the citizenry. I don't know where you get the idea that anyone who works for the government is this separate class of citizen that has some special power or privilege over any other "normal" citizen. Every government offical who makes laws is ELECTED by the people. If the majority of the citizens don't agree with that elected official's views and ideologies, they VOTE HIM/HER OUT of office. That's how our political system works. Your problem is that you think if the governent doesn't follow every single personal belief of yours, then they are obviously corrupt and are circumventing your Constitutional rights. Sorry, but your single voice doesn't command that type of power.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Slice http:///t/392660/does-anyone-else-find-it-curious-that-our-govt-is-buying-so-much-ammo-for-domestic-use#post_3488255
You apparently did not read my post nor did you read the linked articles.
These are hollow point rounds bought by the Government. For use inside our borders.
The question is why does the Government need so many rounds of hollow point ammo? What does the Weather Service need with them? What does the Social Security Admin need with them?
They did include some paper targets. About 1 target for every 1200 rounds or so.
What does it matter what type of ammo it is? Ammo is ammo. You think there's something fishy about this because they purchased ammo that normally couldn't penetrate a wall? Didn't know we had these magical walls surrounding our country that would inhibit a hollow-point bullet from crossing the border. Why does the Weather Service need them? You don't remember the chaos after Katrina in New Orleans? Ooooh, it's a big conspriacy. Obama's Cabinet is brainwashing all the government employees working for these departments to make them his "personal army" (you know, Hitler), preparing them to takeover all aspects of our lives. Think about it. The SSA can take away all the retiree's checks, so they can't eat or pay their bills. The Weather Service can quit reporting potential weather disasters, and when Florida gets wiped out by a hurricane, the Weather Service Infantry can rush into Florida and take over the state. Homeland Security? They'll replaced the National Guard and State Reservist, inflitrating each state with it's own diabolical regime. IT'S OBAMA'S MASTER PLAN! Get ready. Once he locks up his second nomination in November, THE ATTACK WILL BEGIN! BWHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
 
mantisman51

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You seriously cannot see the difference in acting on behalf of the government and normal civilian life? You really think government agencies are "citizens" and have the same rights as citizens? Well, thank you for proving my point.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/392660/does-anyone-else-find-it-curious-that-our-govt-is-buying-so-much-ammo-for-domestic-use#post_3488274
You seriously cannot see the difference in acting on behalf of the government and normal civilian life? You really think government agencies are "citizens" and have the same rights as citizens? Well, thank you for proving my point.
You don't? Where in the Constitution does it say that any person who works for the government is given some special privileges or status over a citizen who doesn't work for the government? Where does it say a government institution can make its own laws without the citizenry having a say in the creation of those laws? Government employees can only act on behalf of the government based on the laws granted to that organization. However, we have a legal system that allows us to overrule any law we deem unfair if the majority agrees that that law violates our Constitutional rights. You're the one with the misconception that the government can do as they please, and circumvent our basic rights and privileges anytime they want. You need a refresher course on Constitutional Law 101.
 
mantisman51

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Oh, wow! Another trivial word game argument. Never saw that coming. What frightens me most is that (I'd wager) his ignorance is matched by most of the electorate. He is exactly what FDR and LBJ hoped the American people would become.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/392660/does-anyone-else-find-it-curious-that-our-govt-is-buying-so-much-ammo-for-domestic-use#post_3488283
Oh, wow! Another trivial word game argument. Never saw that coming. What frightens me most is that (I'd wager) his ignorance is matched by most of the electorate. He is exactly what FDR and LBJ hoped the American people would become.
You're clueless and live in some cloistered myopic world. Answer the questions Oh Almighty Constitutionalist.
 
darthtang aw

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You don't?  Where in the Constitution does it say that any person who works for the government is given some special privileges or status over a citizen who doesn't work for the government?  Where does it say a government institution can make its own laws without the citizenry having a say in the creation of those laws?  Government employees can only act on behalf of the government based on the laws granted to that organization.  However, we have a legal system that allows us to overrule any law we deem unfair if the majority agrees that that law violates our Constitutional rights.  You're the one with the misconception that the government can do as they please, and circumvent our basic rights and privileges anytime they want.  You need a refresher course on Constitutional Law 101.
They can't?
In 1830, Congress passed the Indian Removal Act, which ordered Cherokee Indians off of the lands that they inhabited by order of previous treaties with the Federal government. The Cherokee fought the legislation and won in the Supreme Court (Worcester vs. Georgia, 1832) in a decision rendered by Justice John Marshall. But Andrew Jackson disagreed with the court, and famously said, “John Marshall has made his decision; let him enforce it now if he can.” Thus began the Trail of Tears.
darth (History says otherwise) Tang
 
mantisman51

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It's all about the almighty government. "God given" means nothing to them. "Government granted" is their mantra. I make light of the inanity of it all, but it is sad, really. It's why Obama makes up law out of thin air. He thinks there is no checks to government power. The people must yield to the privilege dispensing government. It is sad.
 
bionicarm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Slice http:///t/392660/does-anyone-else-find-it-curious-that-our-govt-is-buying-so-much-ammo-for-domestic-use#post_3488164
Why does the Social Security Administration need 174,000 rounds?
Why does the National Weather Service need 46,000 rounds?
DHS has an "indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity" order for up to 450,000,000 rounds. Why?
All for use within our borders. Why??
These articles include links to the actual .gov solicitations to purchase:
http://www.infowars.com/social-security-administration-to-purchase-174-thousand-rounds-of-hollow-point-bullets/
http://www.infowars.com/national-weather-service-follows-dhs-in-huge-ammo-purchase/
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2012/03/13/ATK-producing-ammo-for-Homeland-Security/UPI-91311331656764/
Why does the media not think this might be important?
Should we be concerned?
Did you bother to read this:
UPDATE: The Washington Post now reportshttp://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/post/national-weather-service-ammunition-solicitation-triggers-confusion/2012/08/14/3dc6b67e-e62a-11e1-936a-b801f1abab19_blog.html, via a statement from NOAA spokesman Scott Smullen, that the original solicitation contained a “clerical error” and that the “solicitation for ammunition and targets for the NOAA Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement mistakenly identified NOAA’s National Weather Service as the requesting office
Hmmm, maybe Fisheries and Wildgame could use hollow points when working in areas where there a little animals like grizzly bears, mountain lions, or alligators?
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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It's all about the almighty government. "God given" means nothing to them. "Government granted" is their mantra. I make light of the inanity of it all, but it is sad, really. It's why Obama makes up law out of thin air. He thinks there is no checks to government power. The people must yield to the privilege dispensing government. It is sad.
This is not entirely just Obama. It has gone on for decades. I read this a while back and it is so very true....
"The Nation, in the words of Presidential candidate Ron Paul, has become an “elective dictatorship.” He said recently, “The drafters of the Constitution intended the default action of government to be inaction. Hopefully, this means actions taken by the government are necessary and proper. If federal laws or executive actions can’t be agreed upon constitutionally- which is to say legally- such laws or actions should be rejected… Sadly, previous administrations have set precedents that the current administration is only building upon. It is time for Congress to reassert itself and its constitutional role so that future administrations cannot continue on this dangerous path.”"
Darth (we get what we vote for) Tang
 
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