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99ford
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i was wondering if a dwarf lion could coexist with a couple of percula clowns or even larger gobbies without looking to eat them
srfisher17
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Originally Posted by 99ford
http:///forum/post/3172774
i was wondering if a dwarf lion could coexist with a couple of percula clowns or even larger gobbies without looking to eat them
Most dwarf lions can eat a fish nearly as long as itself. Many years ago I came home to see about 2" of a Scotts Fairy Wrasse's tail sticking out the mouth of my Zebra Dwarf.
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i was wondering if a dwarf lion could coexist with a couple of percula clowns or even larger gobbies without looking to eat them
Most dwarf lions can eat a fish nearly as long as itself. Many years ago I came home to see about 2" of a Scotts Fairy Wrasse's tail sticking out the mouth of my Zebra Dwarf.
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rcreations
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No guarantee. I've had a fully grown fuzzy dwarf with a pair of maroon clown fish for about a year and he never ate them, but that's definitely not the norm.
srfisher17
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Originally Posted by RCreations
http:///forum/post/3173113
No guarantee. I've had a fully grown fuzzy dwarf with a pair of maroon clown fish for about a year and he never ate them, but that's definitely not the norm.
If the female Maroon is grown, she is big enough to protect the male, and will. Nobody messes with a grown, female Maroon clown. I've had a pair of grown GSM clowns for about 3 years and she will attack me if my hand gets close to the male. They are the only fish I've ever named: Bill & Hilary.
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No guarantee. I've had a fully grown fuzzy dwarf with a pair of maroon clown fish for about a year and he never ate them, but that's definitely not the norm.
If the female Maroon is grown, she is big enough to protect the male, and will. Nobody messes with a grown, female Maroon clown. I've had a pair of grown GSM clowns for about 3 years and she will attack me if my hand gets close to the male. They are the only fish I've ever named: Bill & Hilary.
rlablan
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I kept my dwarf with regular perculas in a 45 gal tank for a long time. The male and female were small. The female was the same size as the lion and the male was sooo small. He never once tried to eat them. But I think it could be that the clowns were the 1st fishes in that tank and the lion was the new guy. Who goes in first in a tank is KEY to success...
srfisher17
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Originally Posted by rlablan
http:///forum/post/3173123
I kept my dwarf with regular perculas in a 45 gal tank for a long time. The male and female were small. The female was the same size as the lion and the male was sooo small. He never once tried to eat them. But I think it could be that the clowns were the 1st fishes in that tank and the lion was the new guy. Who goes in first in a tank is KEY to success...
I agree with you to the extent that territorial aggression is often limited by who's there first. (Sounds like Abbot & Costello.) But with a hungry predator, that's (IMO) very doubtful. You may get lucky with some lions; but I sure think this is a big exception to what normally happens. Lions are not territorial or aggressive...just hungry predators. Usually, IMO & IME, a hungry lion will eat whatever it can and pays no attention to the formalities of who got there first. BTW, what is "a long time"? I sure wouldn't trust these fish together forever.
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I kept my dwarf with regular perculas in a 45 gal tank for a long time. The male and female were small. The female was the same size as the lion and the male was sooo small. He never once tried to eat them. But I think it could be that the clowns were the 1st fishes in that tank and the lion was the new guy. Who goes in first in a tank is KEY to success...
I agree with you to the extent that territorial aggression is often limited by who's there first. (Sounds like Abbot & Costello.) But with a hungry predator, that's (IMO) very doubtful. You may get lucky with some lions; but I sure think this is a big exception to what normally happens. Lions are not territorial or aggressive...just hungry predators. Usually, IMO & IME, a hungry lion will eat whatever it can and pays no attention to the formalities of who got there first. BTW, what is "a long time"? I sure wouldn't trust these fish together forever.
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rcreations
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Originally Posted by srfisher17
http:///forum/post/3173117
If the female Maroon is grown, she is big enough to protect the male, and will. Nobody messes with a grown, female Maroon clown. I've had a pair of grown GSM clowns for about 3 years and she will attack me if my hand gets close to the male. They are the only fish I've ever named: Bill & Hilary.
That was exactly the case. The male was definitely small enough to get eaten, but the female was a lot larger and she always protected him. The lion probably didn't dare to get close. And yes, she did attack my hand every time I put it in the tank.
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If the female Maroon is grown, she is big enough to protect the male, and will. Nobody messes with a grown, female Maroon clown. I've had a pair of grown GSM clowns for about 3 years and she will attack me if my hand gets close to the male. They are the only fish I've ever named: Bill & Hilary.
That was exactly the case. The male was definitely small enough to get eaten, but the female was a lot larger and she always protected him. The lion probably didn't dare to get close. And yes, she did attack my hand every time I put it in the tank.
rlablan
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They were in a 45 gal together for 6 months and then I moved them all to my 200 gallon cube and they were fine in there as well. There were together a total of 8+months.
If he is not hungry, he won't try to eat them. If you feed your lion, he should not try to eat anyone.
Com to think of it, he was also with a small dwarf atlantic pygmy angel, a small royal gramma, and a 1inch twin spot goby. No one ever got eaten.
If he is not hungry, he won't try to eat them. If you feed your lion, he should not try to eat anyone.
Com to think of it, he was also with a small dwarf atlantic pygmy angel, a small royal gramma, and a 1inch twin spot goby. No one ever got eaten.
srfisher17
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Originally Posted by rlablan
http:///forum/post/3173157
They were in a 45 gal together for 6 months and then I moved them all to my 200 gallon cube and they were fine in there as well. There were together a total of 8+months.
If he is not hungry, he won't try to eat them. If you feed your lion, he should not try to eat anyone.
Com to think of it, he was also with a small dwarf atlantic pygmy angel, a small royal gramma, and a 1inch twin spot goby. No one ever got eaten.
I think your lion is one in a million. Lions are know to eat themselves to death, literally, whenever food is available; and a healthy lion is always hungry.
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They were in a 45 gal together for 6 months and then I moved them all to my 200 gallon cube and they were fine in there as well. There were together a total of 8+months.
If he is not hungry, he won't try to eat them. If you feed your lion, he should not try to eat anyone.
Com to think of it, he was also with a small dwarf atlantic pygmy angel, a small royal gramma, and a 1inch twin spot goby. No one ever got eaten.
I think your lion is one in a million. Lions are know to eat themselves to death, literally, whenever food is available; and a healthy lion is always hungry.
rlablan
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probably. He was a strange little guy.
After I could not get live food anymore, I tried to switch him to frozen and he wouldn't take it. I didn't feed him for the last 4 months that I had him!!! Not purposely, he just wouldn't eat but he was growing and growing.
Then I figured out that he was eating pods. I saw him do it several times and He would come out when the lights were ON (which was weird) and he would pounce face first at the LR and do this over and over again. He continued to grow and look healthy and bright colored til the day I traded him.
I did get my lion VERY VERY small. He was maybe 3/4 of a inch big. The other fish were too big for him to eat for the 1st 2 months I had him but he grew quickly and I was told that if he "grew up" with them, he would not be so inclined to see them as food.
After I could not get live food anymore, I tried to switch him to frozen and he wouldn't take it. I didn't feed him for the last 4 months that I had him!!! Not purposely, he just wouldn't eat but he was growing and growing.
Then I figured out that he was eating pods. I saw him do it several times and He would come out when the lights were ON (which was weird) and he would pounce face first at the LR and do this over and over again. He continued to grow and look healthy and bright colored til the day I traded him.
I did get my lion VERY VERY small. He was maybe 3/4 of a inch big. The other fish were too big for him to eat for the 1st 2 months I had him but he grew quickly and I was told that if he "grew up" with them, he would not be so inclined to see them as food.
cranberry
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A fuzzy wouldn't eat an adult maroon. Those fish are bigger than he is.
But here's the thing. Fish are not meeting their real potential size if we are growing them in our systems. If I bought a small maroon and grew him for a year, I guarantee you if I caught a 1 year old from the wild, he'll be bigger. So, if I'm looking to make a mix, like a perc and a fuzzy. I would make sure to look for, and wait for, a really big adult perc.
I've seen percs come in that a fuzzy would not eat, but I can't make a blanket statement and say they are all safe with dwarfs. Smaller fish do not always reach their full size potential if they are captive raised.
Does that make sense? Am I coming across okay on that?
But here's the thing. Fish are not meeting their real potential size if we are growing them in our systems. If I bought a small maroon and grew him for a year, I guarantee you if I caught a 1 year old from the wild, he'll be bigger. So, if I'm looking to make a mix, like a perc and a fuzzy. I would make sure to look for, and wait for, a really big adult perc.
I've seen percs come in that a fuzzy would not eat, but I can't make a blanket statement and say they are all safe with dwarfs. Smaller fish do not always reach their full size potential if they are captive raised.
Does that make sense? Am I coming across okay on that?
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99ford
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yes thank to everyone on the input, i have a decently sized perc about 3 inches and i have just got him yesterday. If he decides to have a growth spurt and i come across a very little fuzzy i might consider it. i think they are absolutely beautiful fish and hopefully i can get one in the future.
srfisher17
Active Member
Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3173344
A fuzzy wouldn't eat an adult maroon. Those fish are bigger than he is.
Grown females are big and nasty; but I have a breeding size male, and have seen several other full grown males, that are small enough the right Fuzzy would scarf. My female is almost 6", the male3", at most.
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A fuzzy wouldn't eat an adult maroon. Those fish are bigger than he is.
Grown females are big and nasty; but I have a breeding size male, and have seen several other full grown males, that are small enough the right Fuzzy would scarf. My female is almost 6", the male3", at most.
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99ford
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alright i might hold off on one of them for now. Thanks again for the input
rlablan
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I was at a new shop here in AZ today and saw the biggest ocellaris clowns EVER! the male was 3 inches and the female was even bigger!!! Those guys are the biggest I have ever seen!!!
I was thinking of this thread the whole time, as the shop had 3 pairs that were very very large.
Hope you can find some this big!
I was thinking of this thread the whole time, as the shop had 3 pairs that were very very large.
Hope you can find some this big!