aimilvping
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hi, i am ivy from china, and recently i hear about the Easter day, in china, we have not this festival, can anybody tell me what do you do in this day?
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rickross23
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We Celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
flower
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Originally Posted by rickross23 http:///t/391262/easter-day#post_3468892
We Celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Actually you just THINK you do.
Easter is the celebration of of a goddess (AKA Ester, Isis, Ashtaroth, mother of god, queen of heaven) who has the egg and the rabbit as holy symbols. Her high holy day was the vernal equinox. The sun god (her child) shined a prism down from the sun on her holy symbol and created the image of the easter egg in many colors. The people celegrated her day with all kinds of confections. Since she is also a fertility goddess, baby animals were considered for sacrifice.
Jesus was a very religeous Jew and teacher of the people. According to eye witiness accounts called the gospels he had the power of God behind him and healed the people of illness and could raise the dead. The Jewish leaders of his day feared the Caesar (Greek Emperor) and falsely accused him and had the Greeks put him to death by crucifixion. Jesus was crucified on the passover, and rose from the dead 3 days and 3 nights later. Passover is a High Holy day Sabbath. Christians thought that meant Friday....since that is when the regular Sabbath begins. Jesus arose BEFORE it was light out and early on the 1st day of the week...that is actually Saturday night shortly after sundown, that is when it is still dark and the very beginning of the 1st day of the week in Jewish thought.
Count 3 nights and 3 days backwards from Saturday night to find the day that Passover fell that year for the right time slot.
325 years or so later....The Greek Emperor Constantine thought his sun god and Jesus were the same fellow (according to some books, other books say he just wanted to keep the peace and control of the people) Anyway he combined the pagan easter day ...with Christ and the ressurrection, trying to do away with Passover. Eating pig on that day was also a big effort to do away with the Jewishness of the day, since it is an unclean animal to eat for Jews.
Today Chriatianity celebrates the day with colored eggs, bunny rabbit shaped candy, the holiday ham and dressing up nice to go to church and hear about how Jesus arose from the dead that sunday long ago. Not concidering that it is impossible for Jesus to be crucified on "Good Friday" and be in the Earth for 3 days and 3 nights and arise on Sunday morning as Modern Christianity teaches
Originally Posted by rickross23 http:///t/391262/easter-day#post_3468892
We Celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Actually you just THINK you do.
Easter is the celebration of of a goddess (AKA Ester, Isis, Ashtaroth, mother of god, queen of heaven) who has the egg and the rabbit as holy symbols. Her high holy day was the vernal equinox. The sun god (her child) shined a prism down from the sun on her holy symbol and created the image of the easter egg in many colors. The people celegrated her day with all kinds of confections. Since she is also a fertility goddess, baby animals were considered for sacrifice.
Jesus was a very religeous Jew and teacher of the people. According to eye witiness accounts called the gospels he had the power of God behind him and healed the people of illness and could raise the dead. The Jewish leaders of his day feared the Caesar (Greek Emperor) and falsely accused him and had the Greeks put him to death by crucifixion. Jesus was crucified on the passover, and rose from the dead 3 days and 3 nights later. Passover is a High Holy day Sabbath. Christians thought that meant Friday....since that is when the regular Sabbath begins. Jesus arose BEFORE it was light out and early on the 1st day of the week...that is actually Saturday night shortly after sundown, that is when it is still dark and the very beginning of the 1st day of the week in Jewish thought.
Count 3 nights and 3 days backwards from Saturday night to find the day that Passover fell that year for the right time slot.
325 years or so later....The Greek Emperor Constantine thought his sun god and Jesus were the same fellow (according to some books, other books say he just wanted to keep the peace and control of the people) Anyway he combined the pagan easter day ...with Christ and the ressurrection, trying to do away with Passover. Eating pig on that day was also a big effort to do away with the Jewishness of the day, since it is an unclean animal to eat for Jews.
Today Chriatianity celebrates the day with colored eggs, bunny rabbit shaped candy, the holiday ham and dressing up nice to go to church and hear about how Jesus arose from the dead that sunday long ago. Not concidering that it is impossible for Jesus to be crucified on "Good Friday" and be in the Earth for 3 days and 3 nights and arise on Sunday morning as Modern Christianity teaches
snakeblitz33
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I thought it was the Romans that invaded the land around the Mediterranean including Israel around the time of Jesus's birth and death. And it wasn't the Romans that put Jesus to death, it was the Jews themselves. Remember? Pontius Pilate had "washed his hands" of the matter and left it up to the Jews themselves to decide Jesus's fate of crusifiction.
Not talking about any previous pagan rituals, so as of today, Easter is celebrated for the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the grave. The significance of Jesus rising from the grave meant that he conquered death and gave everyone the opportunity to receive eternal life in Heaven. On Easter Sunday, many Christians dye eggs and hide them and let children find them and they indulge in chocolate and go to church to listen to a priest or preacher talk about the resurrection of Jesus. And then they go home and eat a big meal of ham, eggs and other traditional dishes with their families.
Now, I struggle with religion, mainly because I see so many flaws and fallacies in the Bible and peoples logic for believing in a higher power. If you want to believe in something higher than yourself, Jesus/God is a good way to do it. Many Christians share beliefs, responsibilities, traditions and often join in fellowship and communion in groups and it's nice to be a part of something greater than yourself.
Instead of celebrating Easter with my family this year, I spent it cleaning house, taking care of my month old daughter and gardening. Not all believers celebrate Easter, and not all celebrations of Easter remember the true reason why Easter is celebrated. Just like Christmas. Nowadays, more commonly, it is an excuse to get a new pair of shoes and a dress and eat a lot of chocolate and a huge meal.
Anyways, sorry for the semi rant.
Not talking about any previous pagan rituals, so as of today, Easter is celebrated for the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the grave. The significance of Jesus rising from the grave meant that he conquered death and gave everyone the opportunity to receive eternal life in Heaven. On Easter Sunday, many Christians dye eggs and hide them and let children find them and they indulge in chocolate and go to church to listen to a priest or preacher talk about the resurrection of Jesus. And then they go home and eat a big meal of ham, eggs and other traditional dishes with their families.
Now, I struggle with religion, mainly because I see so many flaws and fallacies in the Bible and peoples logic for believing in a higher power. If you want to believe in something higher than yourself, Jesus/God is a good way to do it. Many Christians share beliefs, responsibilities, traditions and often join in fellowship and communion in groups and it's nice to be a part of something greater than yourself.
Instead of celebrating Easter with my family this year, I spent it cleaning house, taking care of my month old daughter and gardening. Not all believers celebrate Easter, and not all celebrations of Easter remember the true reason why Easter is celebrated. Just like Christmas. Nowadays, more commonly, it is an excuse to get a new pair of shoes and a dress and eat a lot of chocolate and a huge meal.
Anyways, sorry for the semi rant.
flower
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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/391262/easter-day#post_3468918
I thought it was the Romans that invaded the land around the Mediterranean including Israel around the time of Jesus's birth and death. And it wasn't the Romans that put Jesus to death, it was the Jews themselves. Remember? Pontius Pilate had "washed his hands" of the matter and left it up to the Jews themselves to decide Jesus's fate of crusifiction.
Not talking about any previous pagan rituals, so as of today, Easter is celebrated for the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the grave. The significance of Jesus rising from the grave meant that he conquered death and gave everyone the opportunity to receive eternal life in Heaven. On Easter Sunday, many Christians dye eggs and hide them and let children find them and they indulge in chocolate and go to church to listen to a priest or preacher talk about the resurrection of Jesus. And then they go home and eat a big meal of ham, eggs and other traditional dishes with their families.
Now, I struggle with religion, mainly because I see so many flaws and fallacies in the Bible and peoples logic for believing in a higher power. If you want to believe in something higher than yourself, Jesus/God is a good way to do it. Many Christians share beliefs, responsibilities, traditions and often join in fellowship and communion in groups and it's nice to be a part of something greater than yourself.
Instead of celebrating Easter with my family this year, I spent it cleaning house, taking care of my month old daughter and gardening. Not all believers celebrate Easter, and not all celebrations of Easter remember the true reason why Easter is celebrated. Just like Christmas. Nowadays, more commonly, it is an excuse to get a new pair of shoes and a dress and eat a lot of chocolate and a huge meal.
Anyways, sorry for the semi rant.
LOL..Snake...Romans were the Greeks. Jews were not allowed to kill anyone. The Jewish leaders (who had their position from the Roman government) told Pilate that if he did not dispose of Jesus he was no friend of Caesars. He washed his hands because he was afraid of the dream his wife had, and she warned him to have nothing to do with that just man. He left it up to the people to make the DECISION...whom shall I release to you? Barabbas a known murderer, or Jesus? The leaders moved the crowd to ask for Barabbas. Then he asked what they wanted to do with Jesus....they shouted to crucify him... He said "should I crucify your king" and they replied "we have no king but Caesar". Crucifixion was the Roman method of capital punishment. The Romans (Greeks) killed Jesus....but he yet lives according to reports later....the story of the ressurection comes from that.
Many Christians are like myself, and take Jesus and religion very seriously. They love God and want to honor him. It is a crying shame what was done to Christianity in 325 by Constantine. Enticing little children with candy is the oldest trick in the book, and frankly I see it as a trick to get folks all wraped up in paganism from their youth. The Holy scriptures warn of mixing the pagan religions with the One true God. He rejects it all as vomit...
Christians are not the bad guys, the mixed religion is not life after death, but true death. I do my best to educate whenever I can, in hopes that the good folks will see that and get out of the lie before it's too late. The scriptures warn people to not pick a day out of the blue to honor him and totally forbids us to choose a pagan day instead. He gave us the way to honor him and the days to do so...Passover is one off those days. Even Jesus said that as often as you celebrate that day you show his death until his return. (That is from your books, not mine)
The true reason why Easter is celebrated is to have fun with candy and easter eggs hunts, inavertently following a religion that angers God...it has NOTHING to do with Jesus and the ressurection. The sad thing is...good folks THINK it does. They have been duped, and have not figured it out after 1700+ years of stupidity enacted by a Roman emperor who worshiped the sun as a god. what a slap in the face to Jesus, and a spit in the face of God. ...JMO.
Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/391262/easter-day#post_3468918
I thought it was the Romans that invaded the land around the Mediterranean including Israel around the time of Jesus's birth and death. And it wasn't the Romans that put Jesus to death, it was the Jews themselves. Remember? Pontius Pilate had "washed his hands" of the matter and left it up to the Jews themselves to decide Jesus's fate of crusifiction.
Not talking about any previous pagan rituals, so as of today, Easter is celebrated for the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the grave. The significance of Jesus rising from the grave meant that he conquered death and gave everyone the opportunity to receive eternal life in Heaven. On Easter Sunday, many Christians dye eggs and hide them and let children find them and they indulge in chocolate and go to church to listen to a priest or preacher talk about the resurrection of Jesus. And then they go home and eat a big meal of ham, eggs and other traditional dishes with their families.
Now, I struggle with religion, mainly because I see so many flaws and fallacies in the Bible and peoples logic for believing in a higher power. If you want to believe in something higher than yourself, Jesus/God is a good way to do it. Many Christians share beliefs, responsibilities, traditions and often join in fellowship and communion in groups and it's nice to be a part of something greater than yourself.
Instead of celebrating Easter with my family this year, I spent it cleaning house, taking care of my month old daughter and gardening. Not all believers celebrate Easter, and not all celebrations of Easter remember the true reason why Easter is celebrated. Just like Christmas. Nowadays, more commonly, it is an excuse to get a new pair of shoes and a dress and eat a lot of chocolate and a huge meal.
Anyways, sorry for the semi rant.
LOL..Snake...Romans were the Greeks. Jews were not allowed to kill anyone. The Jewish leaders (who had their position from the Roman government) told Pilate that if he did not dispose of Jesus he was no friend of Caesars. He washed his hands because he was afraid of the dream his wife had, and she warned him to have nothing to do with that just man. He left it up to the people to make the DECISION...whom shall I release to you? Barabbas a known murderer, or Jesus? The leaders moved the crowd to ask for Barabbas. Then he asked what they wanted to do with Jesus....they shouted to crucify him... He said "should I crucify your king" and they replied "we have no king but Caesar". Crucifixion was the Roman method of capital punishment. The Romans (Greeks) killed Jesus....but he yet lives according to reports later....the story of the ressurection comes from that.
Many Christians are like myself, and take Jesus and religion very seriously. They love God and want to honor him. It is a crying shame what was done to Christianity in 325 by Constantine. Enticing little children with candy is the oldest trick in the book, and frankly I see it as a trick to get folks all wraped up in paganism from their youth. The Holy scriptures warn of mixing the pagan religions with the One true God. He rejects it all as vomit...
Christians are not the bad guys, the mixed religion is not life after death, but true death. I do my best to educate whenever I can, in hopes that the good folks will see that and get out of the lie before it's too late. The scriptures warn people to not pick a day out of the blue to honor him and totally forbids us to choose a pagan day instead. He gave us the way to honor him and the days to do so...Passover is one off those days. Even Jesus said that as often as you celebrate that day you show his death until his return. (That is from your books, not mine)
The true reason why Easter is celebrated is to have fun with candy and easter eggs hunts, inavertently following a religion that angers God...it has NOTHING to do with Jesus and the ressurection. The sad thing is...good folks THINK it does. They have been duped, and have not figured it out after 1700+ years of stupidity enacted by a Roman emperor who worshiped the sun as a god. what a slap in the face to Jesus, and a spit in the face of God. ...JMO.
snakeblitz33
Well-Known Member
Romans from Rome Italy, Greeks from Greece. They are definitely not one in the same. The Romans did conquer the area of Greece and did assimilate them into their culture as they did many other cultures and religions. Don't ever tell me Romans are Greeks again, that just sounds stupid. Also, don't brush me off and laugh, that's rude. I was a history major in college and took bible literature courses.
The Jews chose to kill their own king. Can't get around that. In essence, the blame was put on their heads. The ROMANS just carried it out.
I'm not a Christian purest by any means, and find that many modern practices are loosing their traditional values, however, I would still not call Christmas and Easter "vomit" either because I respect the views and opinions of other peoples beliefs.
The Jews chose to kill their own king. Can't get around that. In essence, the blame was put on their heads. The ROMANS just carried it out.
I'm not a Christian purest by any means, and find that many modern practices are loosing their traditional values, however, I would still not call Christmas and Easter "vomit" either because I respect the views and opinions of other peoples beliefs.
flower
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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/391262/easter-day#post_3468930
Romans from Rome Italy, Greeks from Greece. They are definitely not one in the same. The Romans did conquer the area of Greece and did assimilate them into their culture as they did many other cultures and religions. Don't ever tell me Romans are Greeks again, that just sounds stupid. Also, don't brush me off and laugh, that's rude. I was a history major in college and took bible literature courses.
The Jews chose to kill their own king. Can't get around that. In essence, the blame was put on their heads. The ROMANS just carried it out.
I'm not a Christian purest by any means, and find that many modern practices are loosing their traditional values, however, I would still not call Christmas and Easter "vomit" either because I respect the views and opinions of other peoples beliefs.
I'm very sorry if you think I dismissed what you had to say. I did not, nor laugh at you. I appologize if I came off that way. Greeks are what we always called the Romans....That was their nationality. Rome was a city. That is like calling those in New York...New Yorkers, they certainly are but some are spanish, some are white ...whaterver. Greek simply meant as a blanket term.
In the beginning when Christianity was young. It was a sect of Judaism. A group of Jews who welcomed the Gentile peoples in, and believed Jesus was the promised one. Paul and all of the Apostles followed Judaism and lived according to the law. Constantine presided over the council of Nesia declared Jesus a god, changed the Holy city from Jerusalem to Rome, changed the Holy days to pagan ones and not understanding the law twisted everything Paul ever taught or had to say in his letters. Constantine mixed the truth with a lie, and that lie has spun it's damage to this very day.
I did not call the mixture of Scripture and pagan religion, vomit...the prophet Isaiah and Haggi did.
Haggi 2:11-14 and Isaiah 28:8
Haggi asked the priests...if they had a Holy item and it touched an unholy thing...what happens? Does the Holy thing make the unholy thing holy? The preisets answered NO. What about the Holy thing? The priest said because it had touched the unclean it was no longer holy and acceptable to God....The prophet then told them that all they offered to God was unacceptable because it was tainted.
The people of Ephraim were worshipping idols...Isaiah tells them all the tables of their offering is full of vomit with no place clean.
Now you really want to go with who killed Jesus? Peter was very much against Jesus getting killed...Jesus rebuked him and told he savored the will of man over the will of God. Jesus could have saved himself at any time. Are you King? asked Pilate...When Jesus told him not of this world...Pilate was scared and tried harder to find a way to release him. He sent him to Harod to get out of it...Jesus refused to even speak in his own defense and sealed his doom.
If you understood the Sanhedrin (the Jewish law that governs the leaders) you would understand that Jesus was railroaded, using the Romans law. To condemn a man according to Jewish law, the 70 leaders had to agree on the charge. Jewish law required the condemned to be stoned. They had no cause according to Jewish law to condemn him.
The few leaders who had their position purchased from Herod did not follow protical, they didn't have to. They accused him to the Romans as a man who claimed himself a king instead of Caesar. They had no law that Jesus had broken to be condemned for...Pilate told the leaders, if this is about some law of yours...see to it yourselves... John 18:31 .They had tried hard and sent people to test him throughout the account of the gospels. They always came back empty handed. Jesus was condemned by Roman law and killed by Roman methods. Accused of treason to Caesar by the Jewish leaders.
In the end, according to the Gospels...nobody killed Jesus, he yet lives.
Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/391262/easter-day#post_3468930
Romans from Rome Italy, Greeks from Greece. They are definitely not one in the same. The Romans did conquer the area of Greece and did assimilate them into their culture as they did many other cultures and religions. Don't ever tell me Romans are Greeks again, that just sounds stupid. Also, don't brush me off and laugh, that's rude. I was a history major in college and took bible literature courses.
The Jews chose to kill their own king. Can't get around that. In essence, the blame was put on their heads. The ROMANS just carried it out.
I'm not a Christian purest by any means, and find that many modern practices are loosing their traditional values, however, I would still not call Christmas and Easter "vomit" either because I respect the views and opinions of other peoples beliefs.
I'm very sorry if you think I dismissed what you had to say. I did not, nor laugh at you. I appologize if I came off that way. Greeks are what we always called the Romans....That was their nationality. Rome was a city. That is like calling those in New York...New Yorkers, they certainly are but some are spanish, some are white ...whaterver. Greek simply meant as a blanket term.
In the beginning when Christianity was young. It was a sect of Judaism. A group of Jews who welcomed the Gentile peoples in, and believed Jesus was the promised one. Paul and all of the Apostles followed Judaism and lived according to the law. Constantine presided over the council of Nesia declared Jesus a god, changed the Holy city from Jerusalem to Rome, changed the Holy days to pagan ones and not understanding the law twisted everything Paul ever taught or had to say in his letters. Constantine mixed the truth with a lie, and that lie has spun it's damage to this very day.
I did not call the mixture of Scripture and pagan religion, vomit...the prophet Isaiah and Haggi did.
Haggi 2:11-14 and Isaiah 28:8
Haggi asked the priests...if they had a Holy item and it touched an unholy thing...what happens? Does the Holy thing make the unholy thing holy? The preisets answered NO. What about the Holy thing? The priest said because it had touched the unclean it was no longer holy and acceptable to God....The prophet then told them that all they offered to God was unacceptable because it was tainted.
The people of Ephraim were worshipping idols...Isaiah tells them all the tables of their offering is full of vomit with no place clean.
Now you really want to go with who killed Jesus? Peter was very much against Jesus getting killed...Jesus rebuked him and told he savored the will of man over the will of God. Jesus could have saved himself at any time. Are you King? asked Pilate...When Jesus told him not of this world...Pilate was scared and tried harder to find a way to release him. He sent him to Harod to get out of it...Jesus refused to even speak in his own defense and sealed his doom.
If you understood the Sanhedrin (the Jewish law that governs the leaders) you would understand that Jesus was railroaded, using the Romans law. To condemn a man according to Jewish law, the 70 leaders had to agree on the charge. Jewish law required the condemned to be stoned. They had no cause according to Jewish law to condemn him.
The few leaders who had their position purchased from Herod did not follow protical, they didn't have to. They accused him to the Romans as a man who claimed himself a king instead of Caesar. They had no law that Jesus had broken to be condemned for...Pilate told the leaders, if this is about some law of yours...see to it yourselves... John 18:31 .They had tried hard and sent people to test him throughout the account of the gospels. They always came back empty handed. Jesus was condemned by Roman law and killed by Roman methods. Accused of treason to Caesar by the Jewish leaders.
In the end, according to the Gospels...nobody killed Jesus, he yet lives.
rickross23
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basically Easter haha
flower
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Originally Posted by rickross23 http:///t/391262/easter-day#post_3468945
basically Easter haha
No... Easter is a pagan holiday of easter candy, rabbits and colored eggs.
Jesus( not even his real name) rose from the dead according to the Gospel accounts, on the 3rd day after Passover.
Originally Posted by rickross23 http:///t/391262/easter-day#post_3468945
basically Easter haha
No... Easter is a pagan holiday of easter candy, rabbits and colored eggs.
Jesus( not even his real name) rose from the dead according to the Gospel accounts, on the 3rd day after Passover.
rickross23
Active Member
Ik. Im Christian. Haha
snakeblitz33
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Flower, I know this discussion would be better if I wasn't typing on my iPhone. I also realize that no matter what, we will forever be deadlocked in this discussion. Therefore, I politely bow out to you. Have a nice day.
rickross23
Active Member
Agreed snake. Haha
sweatervest13
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Originally Posted by aimilvping http:///t/391262/easter-day#post_3468884
hi, i am ivy from china, and recently i hear about the Easter day, in china, we have not this festival, can anybody tell me what do you do in this day?
Flower and Snake.
I think your discussion was exactly what this person from China was looking for. LOL Just poking the bear. hahahahaha
Originally Posted by aimilvping http:///t/391262/easter-day#post_3468884
hi, i am ivy from china, and recently i hear about the Easter day, in china, we have not this festival, can anybody tell me what do you do in this day?
Flower and Snake.
I think your discussion was exactly what this person from China was looking for. LOL Just poking the bear. hahahahaha
rickross23
Active Member
Same thought sweatervest.haha
flower
Well-Known Member
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Originally Posted by sweatervest13 http:///t/391262/easter-day#post_3468970
Flower and Snake.
I think your discussion was exactly what this person from China was looking for. LOL Just poking the bear. hahahahaha
LOL...So we Americans argue religion on that day...LOL..
Originally Posted by sweatervest13 http:///t/391262/easter-day#post_3468970
Flower and Snake.
I think your discussion was exactly what this person from China was looking for. LOL Just poking the bear. hahahahaha
LOL...So we Americans argue religion on that day...LOL..
rickross23
Active Member
It seems arguing is becoming or already IS a religion haha.