emergency with french angel

turbo21

turbo21

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our french is not doing very good she is on her side and breathing heavily . we do have ich in our 125 and have been treating with copper- but we only used half of the reccommended dose. we just moved her into the 10 gal hospital tank- because we think she may have copper poisoning?? we put the carbon back in and now we are very open to suggestions, please help i don't want to lose her. by the way- the ich is almost all cleared up in the main tank the angel only has like 5 0r 6 spots
 
marinerock

marinerock

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TURBO.....
LISTEN......YOU DIDNT DO ANYTHING WRONG.....
BEEN THERE JUST RECENTLY.....GRAY ANGEL WITH ICK....
I TREATED THE MAIN TANK....125 ALSO WITH "MARDEL COPPER SAFE"....I USED THE 100 GAL TREATMENT AND DID A HYPOSALINITY ON THE MAIN TANK TO 1.015.....
ALTHOUGH I DID LOSE THE GRAY ANGEL AS HE WAS TOO FAR GONE AT THAT POINT....I DID SAVE THE REST IN THE TANK THAT
HAD GOTTEN ICK ALSO....."MARDEL COPPER SAFE" IS CHELATED COPPER AND ONLY LASTS FOR 30 DAYS IN THE TANK AND YOU CAN REMOVE IT BY PUTTING CARBON OR CHEMI-PURES IN THE FILTER SYSTEM....IF YOU WANT...AS LONG AS ITS A FISH ONLY TANK THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH USING COPPER.....IN MY OPINION....MY SALINITY IS STILL 1.015 AND WONT BE LOWERED UNTIL I AM DONE ADDING FISH INTO THE TANK.....
GOOD LUCK....
REGARDS...
MARINEROCK
 
beth

beth

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Looks to me like your main tank has inverts. How are they doing with the copper in the tank.
What type of tank do you have, LR? Inverts?
 
jjboods

jjboods

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I'm gonna guess that if the Queen Angel is an adult, a 10 gallon hospital tank will stress the fish and do more harm than good.
 
turbo21

turbo21

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ok i am just going to fill everyone in with what is going on in our tank. I will take you back to July 5, thats when the ick got started that was 5 months ago. Ever since then there has been nothing but problems. YES we have already tried other medications but nothing would kick it. We did not want to use copper but we had no choice and i didnt think it would do much harm since we only have base rock in that tank and no inverts. The guy we deal with has helped us try everything he didnt want us to use copper either but he said there is no other choice and we would be fine if we used it a half the dose and only used it for a week and a half. Well that week and a half went by and still no change so he told us to take it out in 4 days. So the forth day came around and i was getting the carbon ready to put in and i looked up and my angel was acting really weird so i took her out and put her in with the shark in the Qtank. She was fine for about ten minutes while i came on here and posted this. All of a sudden my dog barked and i went out to see what he was barking at and there she was in the tank dead. i figured it out and it wasn't the copper that killed her seeming she was only in there for a week it was that she was not eating. I thought she was coming out at night with the stars and stripes puffer and eating because i seen her out at night a few times. The dose of copper was very low and nothing on my base rock died and none of the Kocapods(dont mind my spelling) died cause they are still all over the glass. But the worste part of all this is the carbon is back in and the ick is getting worse again. Now my hippo tang has it really bad again and there is now something else on him and i have no idea what it is THEY ARE BLACK DOTS ABOUT THE SAME SIZE OF THE ICK. Now my stars and stripes puffer isnt eating. so i dont know what to do and i am going crazy and dont have any clue of what to do. It just never ends. I AM OPEN FOR SUGGESTIONS IF THEY ARE GIVEN IN A NICE MANNER.
Thank You everyone for your help i just dont know what to do and i dont know what is left for me to do.
 
marinerock

marinerock

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HI TURBO.....
I KNOW ... FRUSTRATING...
WHAT I DID WITH MY GRAY ANGEL WAS...LIKE I SAID IN THE ABOVE POST....FIRST, REMOVED THE CHEMI-PURES....THEN,
DID A HYPOSALINITY TO 1.015...THEN, ADDED "MARDEL COPPER SAFE" AND EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING JUST FINE.....
I DID LOSE THE POWDER BLUE TANG THAT DAY AND THE GRAY ANGEL THE NEXT DAY....BUT EVERYONE ELSE IS FINE....THOSE TWO WERE TOO FAR GONE BY THE TIME THE TANK WAS TREATED...
KEEP IN MIND THAT ALOT OF TANGS ARE ICK MAGNETS !!!
THIS WAS ABOUT 1 1/2 MONTHS AGO....
YESTERDAY, WE LOOK AT OUR QUEEN ANGEL AND HIS EYE DOESNT LOOK RIGHT....TODAY ITS BULGING OUT OF HIS HEAD...
NEVER ENDS.....FRUSTRATING...
BTW....MARDEL COPPER SAFE IS CHELATED COPPER AND IS THE SAFEST COPPER TO ADD TO A TANK....JUST A SUGGESTION....
READ MY ABOVE POST....HOPE IT HELPS....
GOOD LUCK...
REGARDS...
MARINEROCK
 
marinerock

marinerock

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TURBO....
ONE MORE THING...
HIPPO TANGS ARE PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ICK MAGNETS,
JUST LIKE THE POWDER BLUES...
REGARDS...
MARINEROCK
 
jjboods

jjboods

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I've had a hippo in my tank for almost a year. Every once in a while I see what I think MIGHT be ick. Couple small white dots. I check the day after and it's gone. In the meantime, I do see the hippo hanging near the cleaner shrimp. I have seen some people mention that they think the cleaners help with the Ick...well I am a FIRM believer that if they don't prevent it, they keep it from being a problem. I have a Kole Tang also...both in a 55...for now...until the Hippo gets too big. Again...I think the cleaner shrimp do a great job with ick. Might give that a try.
 
marinerock

marinerock

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JJ...
THATS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO GET NEXT....A FEW CLEANER SHRIMPS....ARE THEY SAFE WITH "COPPER SAFE" IN THE TANK??
I HEARD THAT ALSO, THAT THEY KEEP THE FISH "CLEAN"
REGARDS...
MARINEROCK
 
turbo21

turbo21

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we had the ick before we even got the hippo i did take him out for a while but still nothing is working
 
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