emperor snapper for 29 gallon??

Or maybe a green moray and tesselata in a 55? How bout' a dogface puffer in a dixie cup?? will this work?? c'mon sharks... i need you to tell me this will work so i can justify doing it... what do you mean no? I read there, and saw on another website that i could... what do you know?? how'd you get to be sharks and titan triggers anyway??
Well okay... maybe that was a little extreme, but i've noticed a lot of frustration on this board when someone gives his/her opinion on such a subject and it isn't the response the poster was looking for.
I just wanted to give a couple of thoughts about crowding big fish into litle tanks. I'm sure other people (probably with way more knowlege and experience than myself) will have different thoughts. that's great, i'd love to hear them. Isn't that why we post on these boards anyway??
First of all the rumor that a fish will grow to the size of the enclosure. That's true.
However, their growth is limited by several factors. Space is the obvious one. another is oxygen. The only area of a tank which oxygen diffusion takes place is the surface. so those 55 and 65 gallon tanks which seem pretty large only have 4 square feet of surface area. Muscle tissue of fish when deprived of oxygen will substantially slow in growth rate. Bone growth however, does not depend on oxygen, and continue to grow. The result is a deformed fish which will eventually die. (i doubt any LFS will take one of these off your hands for you) I personally have never seen this with salt water fish, but the fish store that i used to work at had people attempting to bring oscars back looking like a twisted mass of skin and bones. Seeing that a couple of times was enough to ensure that i would never keep a fish in too small of a tank.
Another thought is my opinion only, and regards your reasons for keeping agressive fish in the first place. Are you into this hobby to keep and observe a beautiful animal behaving as would in the wild, (well thats impossible in any tank, so as close to it as you can achieve) I personally think watching a fish exhibit natural behaviors when given enough room to do so, is much better than having a pretty multi-colored decoration swimming in circles, or lying motionless in the water.
just wanted to give my opinion... sorry if this one was a little harsh...
 

lancer

Member
Harsh? Not really. I feel that anyone who has genuine "love" for fish understands your point and will back you up. Do people enjoy living in prison cells? I am not a lifetime crusader of fish life rights, but the act of catching these for the most part defenseless fish by way of toxic chemicals, then shipping them in plastic bags to a salt encrusted display tank at a pet store where they can then be taken care of by a zit-faced kid who only got the job at the store so he could "accidently" drop one male betta into an 8oz. plastic cup containing another male betta because watching the two go at it and tear each others fins off is "kinda cool, man" and because the unsuspecting owner is willing to pay Rainman $.35 more per hour than Dairy Queen. If you really care about your fish, spoil them. They have endured enough sh** already that they don't need John Q. Moron shoving them and $500 worth of other "kick-a**" agressive fish into that 10 gallon "mini reef" that your LFS said would be perfect as long as it had plenty of CC and an undergravel filter. So if you think I am just trying to do my best Dennis Miller and don't feel like taking my advice, I wish you the best and hope you enjoy your small piece of the ocean relm, or as I like to call it the triple C - Coral Concentration Camp. Have a nice day, Lancer.
 

big dave

Member
Coco, I couldn't have said it better. I have heard so many damn people come into the lfs I work at and talk all big and bad about how their 20 gallon oscar habitat is awesome or how his undulate, clown, and assai trigger beat the crap out of his damsels in his 30 gallon. I hate ppl like that. Really fish should be enjoyed by people who are really going to do their best to try to provide the best environment for their fish. Know what the best thing about listening to those jerks is afterwords, the guy with a really nice tank who is proud of his efforts in creating a slice of the sea and brings in pics of a awesome, well maintained reef with a minimal amount of fish in it. I wish there were more people like him out there.
 

mark-24

Member
Very nicely put. LFS's will do just about anything to sell you something. Never underestimate the greediness of people.
-Mark
 
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