errr help quick

[chaser]

well who ever it was that told me the ich would be back and worse was totally right i just got back from a week out of town and my butterfly is gone poof and all but a couple of damsels look like they'll give ya heart disease if ya eat em verry salty <img src="graemlins//urrr.gif" border="0" alt="[urrr]" /> my week off left me pennyless and a lil hungover <img src="graemlins//dead.gif" border="0" alt="[dead]" /> i have no quarinteen tank 5 stars 1 shrimp 3 damsels like 20 diff crabs, pygmy angel chrub ,rockbeauity angel,the same person that told me the ich would be back also told me that lowering the salt will kill my inverts so i kinda want to heed this time what can i do i dont have a ph test kit to do a fw dip how important is it to be equil please be as descriptive and quick as you can ty kev :

 

[kev]

Im sorry to say Chaser, but sounds like your screwed.. you really need a QT tank to put ALL of your fish in, so that you can treat RIGHT AWAY with hyposalinity. If you do hypo in a tank with inverts or LR/LS, yes, they will die. A QT tank is really the only way to get through this(without losing ALL of your fish). If the main tank stays fish free for 30 days the ich parasite will die off and you can slowly start to add fish again. As for the FW dip... forget it, this WILL cause more harm than good for your situation(making the ich worse, and the fish VERY stressed), if your going to do the FW dip anyways.. at least match the salinity, temp, and ph with that of your main tank. Sorry to hear about the ich, and good luck with your fish.

 

[fish for life.]

I agree with above. I also think a fw dip will just add stress. Only thing that might work for you is call noich, it is expensive. I have not used it but have heard good things, try a search above? Sorry to hear about the tank, also ich only gets on fish so, option two is garbage can filled with good water and a heater and airstone and start the hypoalinity.

 

[chaser]

this is why i like this bord so much ) thanks im going to rig a rubbermaid quarintine tank and im really glad i checked back before i was just geting ready to dip the poor lil fish ty to all i apreaciate and will keep posted )

 

[von_rahvin]

another thing is to feed them food soaked in garlic extract. this is more of a preventive but it will help them out. you should also do this oce a month just as a general preventive measure.
I feel you pain, my spring break is right now and i just sobered up enough to type. and tonight it is going to be worse. ain't it great being young!

 

[chaser]

well i did the rubbermaid tank gig and am slowly trickling about a gallon every 5 to 6 hrs and lowering salinity but my 2 original damsels i couldnt catch there not sick nor have showed any sighns do i have to get them in the rubbermaid tank too??? also what about the seahorse???ty in advance for your guidance,empathy,and wisdom <img src="graemlins//angel.gif" border="0" alt="[angel]" />

 

[jumpfrog]

Since this board is about experiences, I'll add mine. Impatience on my part led to an Ich outbreak. With no QT I turned to a product recommended by a board member and my LFS. Kick-Ick. Son-of-a-gun. It worked. Fish cleared up, LR stayed alive and everything seems to be flurishing. Just my $.02

 

[kris]

I agree with anthem, everything must come out. FYI I heard from a few that hyposalinity actually doesn't work-well it works initially, but the ich always comes back. There are a few good products to try now if it does come back that are safe for inverts, like someone else said, also Kent rx-p works well. My friend had it bad and I watched it work.
Good Luck

 

[jsolomon]

From what I have read a Seahorse is considered a fish. How are you able to keep a seahorse alive with all these problems. THey are suppose to be the hardest fish to keep, and keeping them with fish that compete for food is not a good thing, they will eventually starve. Another thing is just because a fish doesnt show signs of ich does not mean that they do not have it. Every fish in your tank needs to be treated. When you are doing hyposalinity you are going to need to watch the pH and use a pH buffer accordingly. Good Luck.

 

[jsolomon]

Actually I used CopperSafe when I had an ich outbreak because I didnt have a quarentine tank and it eliminated the ich and never killed any inverts. HOwever, getting it out is nearly impossible. I would stick to the hypo.

 

[chaser]

well chemicals have never done anything for me but cost $$$ seems like every time i use a drug it will cure the finrot but then thell get something else or ich then somthin else again exctt.. i usually let the lfs do my quarintine for me ill watch a fish for a month before i buy it miss out on allot of nice fish that way but in 4 years that ive had saltwatter tank this is the second time ive had ich in my personell tank first time was well a drunkin @#$%@#% up but salinity is at 1.014 and dropping im scared to go all the way to .009 all i have is a swing arm hydromiter so i want to stop at 1.010 will this work??? the fish in the tub lol are doing good so far but can i still add the 2 damsels at this lowerd salinity??? blesed be the kindness of you my friendly strangers kev <img src="graemlins//angel.gif" border="0" alt="[angel]" />

 

[kris]

HS does work-I didn't mean to imply it doesn't-and it will work again, and again, and again. You may be missing out if you don't give some of the treatments a chance--I grant you there are a thousand to choose from and a fair amount of those probably won't work-which is discouraging I admit-but thats what this board is for--maybe others have tried stuff tbat has or hasn't worked and can share.

 

[underthesea]

I had ick several years ago and i used Kick Ick and it worked great and it never hurt any of my corals. The ick never came back So for me I can say that it works great and that it is reef safe. Just my $.02.

 

[chaser]

im still slowly dropping my salinity 1.011 and dropping there is no ich on the fish that i can notice my b day is next week so i was thinkin have one of my laidy friends buy me a 30 gal setup or 20 and set that up for my inverts with watter and crushed coral straight out of my 55 then move the inverts and live rock in there then go hypo onb my 55 and have all fish in it if i do this will i still have to wait the hole month?? does it really take 30 days to kill the ich or is it dead sooner? will it be ok as long as i wait 30 days to add the inverts .wonce again i thank all you friendly strangers for your assistance <img src="graemlins//angel.gif" border="0" alt="[angel]" />