sickboy
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I'm kinda for the plan seeing as how we are a little behind (ok, quite a bit behind) other countries, but this is funny:
http://cafehayek.com/2010/03/says-it-all.html
http://cafehayek.com/2010/03/says-it-all.html
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aquaknight
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Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/3247399
I'm kinda for the plan seeing as how we are a little behind (ok, quite a bit behind) other countries, but this is funny:
http://cafehayek.com/2010/03/says-it-all.html
Apples to oranges really. When dealing with broadband there really isn't a way to get around the geographic issues. The US isn't a tiny little island stuffed with millions of people like Japan or the UK, or overcrowded cities like Berlin. I would like to see some statistics of the US compared to other huge nations, Russia, China, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, etc.
That said, I fully agree with the mentality of some people in this country has in regards to technology. Which is sad and depressing, because that's how this Nation got where we are, technology and innovation. It wasn't because we were "scared of a computer."
http:///forum/post/3247399
I'm kinda for the plan seeing as how we are a little behind (ok, quite a bit behind) other countries, but this is funny:
http://cafehayek.com/2010/03/says-it-all.html
Apples to oranges really. When dealing with broadband there really isn't a way to get around the geographic issues. The US isn't a tiny little island stuffed with millions of people like Japan or the UK, or overcrowded cities like Berlin. I would like to see some statistics of the US compared to other huge nations, Russia, China, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, etc.
That said, I fully agree with the mentality of some people in this country has in regards to technology. Which is sad and depressing, because that's how this Nation got where we are, technology and innovation. It wasn't because we were "scared of a computer."
reefraff
Active Member
Just looks like another excuse for the government to jack my taxes up even higher. Take a look at your phone bill really close sometime. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO WIRE RURAL AREAS. If they are going to push some huge infrastructure projects they should be expanding the power grid into areas where wind and thermal solar generation make sense.
aquaknight
Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3247419
Just looks like another excuse for the government to jack my taxes up even higher. Take a look at your phone bill really close sometime. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO WIRE RURAL AREAS. If they are going to push some huge infrastructure projects they should be expanding the power grid into areas where wind and thermal solar generation make sense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo
http:///forum/post/3247419
Just looks like another excuse for the government to jack my taxes up even higher. Take a look at your phone bill really close sometime. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO WIRE RURAL AREAS. If they are going to push some huge infrastructure projects they should be expanding the power grid into areas where wind and thermal solar generation make sense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/3247399
I'm kinda for the plan seeing as how we are a little behind (ok, quite a bit behind) other countries, but this is funny:
http://cafehayek.com/2010/03/says-it-all.html
What a load, satellite high speed Internet costs under a 100 bucks a month now. The only downside is the lag of about a second means you can't play on xbox live... Then don't get me started on the "turning down jobs". Assuming the article is correct, at it would cost about 300 installation. She's turning down jobs because she doesn't have 300 dollars of needed equipment? But it isn't correct, they'll install it free, add 10 bucks a month on your bill, charge you a 100 dollar activation fee, 25 dollars to ship the hardware and you're up and running...
then don't forget about internet through your cell phone. You can use your phone as a dongle and get DSL speeds cheating the system and using that same dial up number and 50 dollar software...
IF you want something, go out and buy it, that is the American way, if you don't, then don't. Don't spend billions of dollars to force people who don't want it just because they aren't doing what everyone else is doing...
Ok I'm done, I think my position is obvious.
"Yes it would be nice. It’s especially nice when someone else pays for it. Government thrives by handing out free lunches. The problem is that the bills keep coming and we don’t have enough money to give out all that free food. Someone needs to make choices and trade0ffs. Kelli Fields made her choice. Maybe that tells us something about the relative urgency of the problem." well said
http:///forum/post/3247399
I'm kinda for the plan seeing as how we are a little behind (ok, quite a bit behind) other countries, but this is funny:
http://cafehayek.com/2010/03/says-it-all.html
What a load, satellite high speed Internet costs under a 100 bucks a month now. The only downside is the lag of about a second means you can't play on xbox live... Then don't get me started on the "turning down jobs". Assuming the article is correct, at it would cost about 300 installation. She's turning down jobs because she doesn't have 300 dollars of needed equipment? But it isn't correct, they'll install it free, add 10 bucks a month on your bill, charge you a 100 dollar activation fee, 25 dollars to ship the hardware and you're up and running...
then don't forget about internet through your cell phone. You can use your phone as a dongle and get DSL speeds cheating the system and using that same dial up number and 50 dollar software...
IF you want something, go out and buy it, that is the American way, if you don't, then don't. Don't spend billions of dollars to force people who don't want it just because they aren't doing what everyone else is doing...
Ok I'm done, I think my position is obvious.
"Yes it would be nice. It’s especially nice when someone else pays for it. Government thrives by handing out free lunches. The problem is that the bills keep coming and we don’t have enough money to give out all that free food. Someone needs to make choices and trade0ffs. Kelli Fields made her choice. Maybe that tells us something about the relative urgency of the problem." well said
uneverno
Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3247419
Just looks like another excuse for the government to jack my taxes up even higher. Take a look at your phone bill really close sometime. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO WIRE RURAL AREAS. If they are going to push some huge infrastructure projects they should be expanding the power grid into areas where wind and thermal solar generation make sense.
Perhaps. OTOH, Europe and, oddly, Indonesia - among other 3rd world nations - can afford to "wire" rural areas (i.e. provide coverage in areas the US has no idea how to define as rural they're so backwater.)
Meantime, the US is the only country in the world where private businesses are allowed to lock you into a 2 year contract, when the technology changes every 3-6 months, and still offer a magnanamous 1 year warranty on your, as soon as you purchase it, outdated phone...
Pick yer poison.
http:///forum/post/3247419
Just looks like another excuse for the government to jack my taxes up even higher. Take a look at your phone bill really close sometime. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO WIRE RURAL AREAS. If they are going to push some huge infrastructure projects they should be expanding the power grid into areas where wind and thermal solar generation make sense.
Perhaps. OTOH, Europe and, oddly, Indonesia - among other 3rd world nations - can afford to "wire" rural areas (i.e. provide coverage in areas the US has no idea how to define as rural they're so backwater.)
Meantime, the US is the only country in the world where private businesses are allowed to lock you into a 2 year contract, when the technology changes every 3-6 months, and still offer a magnanamous 1 year warranty on your, as soon as you purchase it, outdated phone...
Pick yer poison.
reefraff
Active Member
Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3248823
Perhaps. OTOH, Europe and, oddly, Indonesia - among other 3rd world nations - can afford to "wire" rural areas (i.e. provide coverage in areas the US has no idea how to define as rural they're so backwater.)
Meantime, the US is the only country in the world where private businesses are allowed to lock you into a 2 year contract, when the technology changes every 3-6 months, and still offer a magnanamous 1 year warranty on your, as soon as you purchase it, outdated phone...
Pick yer poison.
You're locked into a 2 year internet contract? Show me the country with the exspanse of rural area the US has that is better wired.
http:///forum/post/3248823
Perhaps. OTOH, Europe and, oddly, Indonesia - among other 3rd world nations - can afford to "wire" rural areas (i.e. provide coverage in areas the US has no idea how to define as rural they're so backwater.)
Meantime, the US is the only country in the world where private businesses are allowed to lock you into a 2 year contract, when the technology changes every 3-6 months, and still offer a magnanamous 1 year warranty on your, as soon as you purchase it, outdated phone...
Pick yer poison.
You're locked into a 2 year internet contract? Show me the country with the exspanse of rural area the US has that is better wired.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3248889
You're locked into a 2 year internet contract? Show me the country with the exspanse of rural area the US has that is better wired.
I think he's talking about a cell phones.
You're only locked in if you want to be... There are alot of different options that don't lock you into contracts...
http:///forum/post/3248889
You're locked into a 2 year internet contract? Show me the country with the exspanse of rural area the US has that is better wired.
I think he's talking about a cell phones.
You're only locked in if you want to be... There are alot of different options that don't lock you into contracts...
aquaknight
Active Member
Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3248823
Meantime, the US is the only country in the world where private businesses are allowed to lock you into a 2 year contract, when the technology changes every 3-6 months, and still offer a magnanamous 1 year warranty on your, as soon as you purchase it, outdated phone...
Pick yer poison.
Does that really even matter tho? The phone US consumers buy 6 months from now, will be the model European consumers had a year ago, and Japanese consumers had 3 years ago. It's a slap in the face of American consumers. One of the reasons I;m an iphone fan. We're on the same page as everyone else. Not that it's a superior piece in anyway, just the release was even across the board.
http:///forum/post/3248823
Meantime, the US is the only country in the world where private businesses are allowed to lock you into a 2 year contract, when the technology changes every 3-6 months, and still offer a magnanamous 1 year warranty on your, as soon as you purchase it, outdated phone...
Pick yer poison.
Does that really even matter tho? The phone US consumers buy 6 months from now, will be the model European consumers had a year ago, and Japanese consumers had 3 years ago. It's a slap in the face of American consumers. One of the reasons I;m an iphone fan. We're on the same page as everyone else. Not that it's a superior piece in anyway, just the release was even across the board.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3248914
Does that really even matter tho? The phone US consumers buy 6 months from now, will be the model European consumers had a year ago, and Japanese consumers had 3 years ago. It's a slap in the face of American consumers. One of the reasons I;m an iphone fan. We're on the same page as everyone else. Not that it's a superior piece in anyway, just the release was even across the board.
Yeah but that is more a function of the u.s. Consumer being cheap and not wanting to pay for it. More than the fact that they are more advanced per say.
The phone market is so convoluted in the USA anyway. We would prefer to have our phone Service subsidized by other users then pay for what we use becaue the heavy users don't have to pay as much. But in my watching of the phone markets it is starting to trend back the other way.
http:///forum/post/3248914
Does that really even matter tho? The phone US consumers buy 6 months from now, will be the model European consumers had a year ago, and Japanese consumers had 3 years ago. It's a slap in the face of American consumers. One of the reasons I;m an iphone fan. We're on the same page as everyone else. Not that it's a superior piece in anyway, just the release was even across the board.
Yeah but that is more a function of the u.s. Consumer being cheap and not wanting to pay for it. More than the fact that they are more advanced per say.
The phone market is so convoluted in the USA anyway. We would prefer to have our phone Service subsidized by other users then pay for what we use becaue the heavy users don't have to pay as much. But in my watching of the phone markets it is starting to trend back the other way.
bionicarm
Active Member
This article doesn't say whether this woman has cable or not for her TV. She using one of those digital boxes and rabbit ears to get her TV reception? What about her home telephone? Her telephone provider doesn't have DSL availability over the normal copper wire? I do sympathize with these people who live out in rural communities, and their lack of availability to today's technology. However, they choose to live out there. They like the open space and seclusion of living in the country. So they have to sacrifice slow internet speeds for the solitude and serenity of living in the Great Outdoors. Sucks to be them. Want hi-speed internet access? Move down the road a piece where your neighbors are. Is she the only one in that area that doesn't have fiber optic availability? If not, petition all the neighbors and send it to the local phone company or whoever is providing fiber optic service for the people down the road. Maybe if they know there's enough people in the area wanting the service, they'd be more inclined to up their schedule for providing them service.
reefraff
Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3249048
This article doesn't say whether this woman has cable or not for her TV. She using one of those digital boxes and rabbit ears to get her TV reception? What about her home telephone? Her telephone provider doesn't have DSL availability over the normal copper wire? I do sympathize with these people who live out in rural communities, and their lack of availability to today's technology. However, they choose to live out there. They like the open space and seclusion of living in the country. So they have to sacrifice slow internet speeds for the solitude and serenity of living in the Great Outdoors. Sucks to be them. Want hi-speed internet access? Move down the road a piece where your neighbors are. Is she the only one in that area that doesn't have fiber optic availability? If not, petition all the neighbors and send it to the local phone company or whoever is providing fiber optic service for the people down the road. Maybe if they know there's enough people in the area wanting the service, they'd be more inclined to up their schedule for providing them service.
Well said
http:///forum/post/3249048
This article doesn't say whether this woman has cable or not for her TV. She using one of those digital boxes and rabbit ears to get her TV reception? What about her home telephone? Her telephone provider doesn't have DSL availability over the normal copper wire? I do sympathize with these people who live out in rural communities, and their lack of availability to today's technology. However, they choose to live out there. They like the open space and seclusion of living in the country. So they have to sacrifice slow internet speeds for the solitude and serenity of living in the Great Outdoors. Sucks to be them. Want hi-speed internet access? Move down the road a piece where your neighbors are. Is she the only one in that area that doesn't have fiber optic availability? If not, petition all the neighbors and send it to the local phone company or whoever is providing fiber optic service for the people down the road. Maybe if they know there's enough people in the area wanting the service, they'd be more inclined to up their schedule for providing them service.
Well said