Fish Missing.... Now and again?!?

haguc

New Member
Hello all, I am fairly new to the SW fish world. I just got a tank 75 gal with a sump about 3 months ago and have been working on getting everything set up. The tank was used when I got it and it came with plenty of sand as well as about 60 lbs of live rock. Now for my problem:
I have added a few fish and they have been doing well. They have all eaten well and I haven't really seen any with any specific problems. In the first batch of fish I got some damsels, they were all doing well for the first few days. Then one day I came home from work and there was a fish missing. I searched high and low for it (visually) and couldn't find it. I didn't think too much of it as in my fresh water days a fish could have disappeared and just gotten eaten, so I was down to 5 fish. The very next day I had another fish go missing. With only four fish left and all the fish still eating well I figured I had a problem. When I asked people they told me that I proly had a crab of some sort killing them so I proceeded to make a crab trap (coke bottle with cut off funnel (opening size about 1.5") and baited with freeze dried krill. I caught nothing. I added more a couple days later and caught nothing. I went out and got a couple more damsels. One of them died overnight after I got it home, it never looked too healthy from when I got it in the tank, but I found that fish dead on the bottom and nothing had touched it. About a week later I added another damsel three stripe and after a day or two it went missing. When it disappeared I took out all of the live rock and inspected it one piece at a time (I figured a fish that distinctly colored would be easy to find.) From the visual inspection I found nothing. The only remains of any of the fish that went missing that I found was the skeleton of the first fish that went missing. All of the fish that went missing were the smaller ones, but none of them had been getting picked on and they all ate well. It has been approximately a month and I have not had any more fish go missing. I just added two new damsels yesterday and am hoping it is the end of my saga. Is there anything else that I should be checking for or thinking of? I took out my makeshift trap and have working a bit on getting my sump tank set up the way I want.
Someone had said I could at night use a flashlight with a red filter on it to look in the tank at night and check to see what is going on and they don't see the red light? Also, is there a different/better bait I should use?
I want to get some nicer fish, but I don't want an expensive fish to go missing.
Any thoughts would be appreciated!!
 

pohtr

Member
Well, the first thing everyone will want to know is what your parameters are. That would be the nitrites, ammonia, nitrates, pH, temp and salinity.
A few other questions:
How did you cycle your tank?
Did the used tank come with used (cycled) water?
What crabs do you have in your tank?
Did you acclimate your new fish and if so what method?
It might be that too many fish were added at one time, and maybe the new ones will do fine.
 

haguc

New Member
I got the tank and used some of the old water so it was mostly cycled. The nitrates were fairly high and were brought down through water changes and now green algae. Never really had an ammonia or nitrite spike, the nitrates were high but are now down to about 10 and are still dropping with the green algae now in the tank as well as some Chaeto. The live rock and the water was in the tank.
There were no animals that came with the tank (that I know of), currently there are snails, and some very small hermit crabs. I floated the bags and did the add a little water every so often for a couple hours method of acclimation. The fish always appeared healthy except for the one that died right away. The thing about it that bothered me wasn't that they died, that is to be expected when starting a new tank or just buying fish from a LFS in general, the total disappearance was what makes me think that they didn't just die. And with at one point only 4 other fish in the tank they couldn't have eaten the whole fish in a day and still have eaten well that evening when I fed. It seems as though they always disappear at night.
I don't hear any popping noises, but my sump tank below isn't completely sealed, so I have a lot of ambient water noise that could prevent me from hearing it even if it was there?
Thanks for the help, keep the questions/comments coming.
 

haguc

New Member
Would a crab go for 4 weeks without eating (a fish)? If I turn on my Super Atinics fluorescents would he still come out? Would a red filter over a flashlight be better? Would a predatory crab come out every night? What is the best bait to use to lure it out?
So many questions so few answers..... :notsure:
 

pohtr

Member
I lost one of my early fish when he got sucked up the overflow. found him on the filter in the wet/dry. Maybe he ended up in your sump?
 

haguc

New Member
The tank is a sump style tank, so it doesn't have a pump line down to the bottom. It just uses natural water flow to the sump overflow area and has a plastic grill guard type setup, so a fish would have gotten trapped on that before it could have gotten down into the sump. All told there have been three (or four??) fish that have gone totally MIA.
 

rcdude1990

Active Member
u said u moved the LR around right? if not then try it
wat about power heads? mayb one fish got sucked up and was torn to pieces
also do a water test if u have a nitrate, nitraite, ammonia problem i believe its due to a dead fish inside the tank thats in there for a log time
also wat kinda fish do u have u might have aggressive fish mixed wit peaceful fish and the aggressive ones r eating them but im not sure mayb stay up late one day and use a flash light to c were the fish r or if u got some moonlights they work 2
good luck and let us no
 
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