Florida Bans all Large Constictors

crypt keeper

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http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/politic...-92325419.html
This is where it starts. Who knows when it ends.
(2)(a) No person, party, firm, association, or corporation
56 shall keep, possess, import into the state, sell, barter, trade,
57 or breed the following species for personal use or for sale for
58 personal use:
59 1. Burmese or Indian python (Python molurus).
60 2. Reticulated python (Python reticulatus).
61 3. Northern African python (Python sebae).
62 4. Southern African python (Python natalensis).
63 5. Amethystine or scrub python (Morelia amethystinus).
64 6. Green Anaconda (Eunectes murinus).
65 7. Nile monitor (Varanus niloticus).
66 8. Any other reptile designated as a conditional or
67 prohibited species by the commission.
They are trying to stop pet ownership. Read what I highlighted in red. Don't be supprised if you see more animals getting added to the list, like iguanas and bearded dragons. They can even add fish if they so see fit.
 
bionicarm

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Don't see any comments in red. Unfortunately, Florida has the perfect breeding grounds for these types of snakes -- The Everglades. I know you don't want ti hear it, but you really can't blame them. They're already burdened with alligators proliferating their state, and now they have yet another dangerous animal they can't control. I don't know much about many of the python species you have listed, but I assume they're targeting the species that can grow over 8 feet. Notice the Ball Pythomn isn't on the list. Not sure why they would add non-aggressive type reptiles like Bearded Dragons and Iguanas (at least you rarely hear about either one of these eating a cat or dog). And fish? I think that's a reach. Guess if you want to own a hugh snake, don't live in Florida. Unless the same type of 'outbreak' were to occur in another state, I doubt this would go national.
But of course I'm waiting to hear someone explain how this is Obama's fault.
Isn't rights at the State level great!!
 
reefraff

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That number 8 is scarry. Someone decides they don't like a certain critter and it's banned. Are current owners grandfathered?
I don't see why they just don't require them to be lojacked or something. Good deal all around. Your snake escapes and you can track it. You turn it lose and they know who's arse to put in the sling.
 
beth

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Where did this info come from?
Iguanas are reaching plague proportions in So. Fla.
I agree with chipping snakes and maybe even lojacking the giants. Make owners carry a license.
 
aquaknight

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Shouldn't this be a county thing? A ban in counties bordering the Everglades? Dade/Broward/Palm Beach/Monroe, etc? I wouldn't necessarily see the reason being able to buy snakes in non-banned counties, cause the same thing would happen with snakes bought in a different state Georgia/Bama and bring them back?
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/3264356
Where did this info come from?
Iguanas are reaching plague proportions in So. Fla.
I agree with chipping snakes and maybe even lojacking the giants. Make owners carry a license.
I saw an interview about the Iguanas last year and the guy was saying the big snakes are a problem that needed to be dealt with but the Iguanas are a whole lot bigger problem from a purely ecological point of view and nobody seems to want to deal with that. I guess they aren't as scarry as snakes so why worry.
 
beth

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Iguanas are allowed to be killed on site in So. Fla. I agree, they are a much bigger problem then the pythons. They are literally everywhere. I was back home in Key West a week ago, and I saw two in my yard! No burm sightings however.

Yeah, I do think that balls are the smallest of the pythons commonly acquired in the pet industry. Everything else is getting up there length and girth-wise.
 
crypt keeper

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Im not upset about the ban in Florida. I dont live there. People in Florida should be worried about the ban. Read law number 8. At any given point if they feel any animal is bothering them in the wrong way poor off with its head in a sense. That could be a dog a cat birds fish you name it. Lion fish are an issue down there. Think they wont add that to the list. Think again. Nobody said anything about that bum Obama or anybody else. Im not into politics. It makes people kill other people for not believing in there ways
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3264350
Don't see any comments in red. Unfortunately, Florida has the perfect breeding grounds for these types of snakes -- The Everglades. I know you don't want ti hear it, but you really can't blame them. They're already burdened with alligators proliferating their state, and now they have yet another dangerous animal they can't control. I don't know much about many of the python species you have listed, but I assume they're targeting the species that can grow over 8 feet. Notice the Ball Pythomn isn't on the list. Not sure why they would add non-aggressive type reptiles like Bearded Dragons and Iguanas (at least you rarely hear about either one of these eating a cat or dog). And fish? I think that's a reach. Guess if you want to own a hugh snake, don't live in Florida. Unless the same type of 'outbreak' were to occur in another state, I doubt this would go national.
But of course I'm waiting to hear someone explain how this is Obama's fault.
Isn't rights at the State level great!!
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3264438
Im not upset about the ban in Florida. I dont live there. People in Florida should be worried about the ban. Read law number 8. At any given point if they feel any animal is bothering them in the wrong way poor off with its head in a sense. That could be a dog a cat birds fish you name it. Lion fish are an issue down there. Think they wont add that to the list. Think again. Nobody said anything about that bum Obama or anybody else. Im not into politics. It makes people kill other people for not believing in there ways
I guess if the residents of Florida have a problem with the law, they can voice their concerns at the voting booths this November and vote out the individuals who passed it. I don't see how they'll be able to regulate it. If someone in Florida wants a python that bad, they can just drive over to Georgia, buy one, and bring it home. Unless Florida is going to put up Border Patrol checkpoints at every entrance into the state, and do vehicle inspections looking for illegal contraband. Python owners can easily 'grow' their own food supply for the reptiles. Take a male and female rat, put them together, and you'll have an unlimited supply of food.
 
teresaq

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Even here in cape coral, we have lots of iguanas. We rented a property on a canal, and it was nothing to see a 4 fter sun bathing. The bushes were full of little ones. Very hard to catch. We also have monitors, though you dont see them as often.
 
darthtang aw

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Can someone logically explain to me why a ban is required?
How many species of animals have we brought to this country/continent that are now part of the native landscape? As far as I can tell things continued on then...so why are the snakes and some lizards suddenly an issue?
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3264514
Can someone logically explain to me why a ban is required?
How many species of animals have we brought to this country/continent that are now part of the native landscape? As far as I can tell things continued on then...so why are the snakes and some lizards suddenly an issue?
Per the article, there's at least 100,000 various pythons now roaming The Everglades and Southern Florida. A majority of these reptiles have grown to over 8 feet in length, and are damaging the ecosystem in the Glades. Didn't you see that picture some time ago where they showed that python split wide open, and it had a large alligator inside it? People in that area have made numerous reports of missing pets (cats and dogs), and they are pretty sure it's due to the python outbreak. You get some 15 foot anaconda that hasn't eaten in a while, it wouldn't hesitate going after a small child.
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3264525
Per the article, there's at least 100,000 various pythons now roaming The Everglades and Southern Florida. A majority of these reptiles have grown to over 8 feet in length, and are damaging the ecosystem in the Glades. Didn't you see that picture some time ago where they showed that python split wide open, and it had a large alligator inside it? People in that area have made numerous reports of missing pets (cats and dogs), and they are pretty sure it's due to the python outbreak. You get some 15 foot anaconda that hasn't eaten in a while, it wouldn't hesitate going after a small child.
So the solution is to ban keeping them as pets? How does this solve the problem? That is the part you fail to explain. Dogs harm/kill small children as well....should the be banned? Especially with so many just roaming loose?
And what moron allows their small children to roam the everglades unsupervised? The fear should be the lack of parenting in this regard. Not the small less than 1% chance of a python eating the child. Same thing goes regarding the small dogs that have gone "missing". Maybe if you took better care of "fluffy", your precious dog would not be "missing".
I don't see the big deal about the Python eating the alligator either. Either way, you have to watch out for one of them....does it matter if it is a Python or an alligator?
 
beth

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Its an attempt to regulate human behavior by reacting to specific issues with drastic and media-driven dramatized laws, rather than just appropriately regulating in such a way that little to no illegal behaviors (such as releasing a burm into the everglades) would occur.
Big snake owners in FL overall aren't going to just drive to GA. GA is only reasonably accessible to people living in Northern FLA. With the law, the snake industry will drop drastically in FL. Prey manufacture's will virtually go out of business. And, if you can't get food for your snakes....then you can't keep a snake. This will effect keeping all snakes, not just giants.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3264558
So the solution is to ban keeping them as pets? How does this solve the problem? That is the part you fail to explain. Dogs harm/kill small children as well....should the be banned? Especially with so many just roaming loose?
And what moron allows their small children to roam the everglades unsupervised? The fear should be the lack of parenting in this regard. Not the small less than 1% chance of a python eating the child. Same thing goes regarding the small dogs that have gone "missing". Maybe if you took better care of "fluffy", your precious dog would not be "missing".
I don't see the big deal about the Python eating the alligator either. Either way, you have to watch out for one of them....does it matter if it is a Python or an alligator?
Man, this analogy sounds just like you gun control logic.
OK, I'll bite (literally). You want to compare owning a dog to owning a large snake? Have you ever owned or handled a reptile like a python over 8 feet? I have. They aren't as receptive to commands you give to a dog like "Stay. Heel. Good boy". They sleep, they eat. That's it. Unless you're a very experienced snake handler, you don't even mess with certain species of pythons over 8 feet, even if you've handled them when they were small. Stick one out into the wild, and their only mission in life is to find a mate, and find prey to eat. The Florida region is not a natural habitat for pythons. When you take an animal out of their natural environment, you don't know how they will react.
Keep you kids out of the Everglades? Come on Darth. You know what I meant by that statement. There have been rare occassions where alligators have attacked small children playing on the banks of ponds, lakes, and rivers in Florida. Now they have to contend with very large snakes. Five to ten years ago, they didn't.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3264614
Man, this analogy sounds just like you gun control logic.
OK, I'll bite (literally). You want to compare owning a dog to owning a large snake? Have you ever owned or handled a reptile like a python over 8 feet? I have. They aren't as receptive to commands you give to a dog like "Stay. Heel. Good boy". They sleep, they eat. That's it. Unless you're a very experienced snake handler, you don't even mess with certain species of pythons over 8 feet, even if you've handled them when they were small. Stick one out into the wild, and their only mission in life is to find a mate, and find prey to eat. The Florida region is not a natural habitat for pythons. When you take an animal out of their natural environment, you don't know how they will react.
Keep you kids out of the Everglades? Come on Darth. You know what I meant by that statement. There have been rare occassions where alligators have attacked small children playing on the banks of ponds, lakes, and rivers in Florida. Now they have to contend with very large snakes. Five to ten years ago, they didn't.
Yeah but what good will banning the snakes do? They are already in the glades. They need to deal with that. I still like the idea of just making people lojack the big snakes and worry about getting them out of the wild.
 
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