Future giant 800-1000 gal fish tank setup questions

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lady medusa

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Ok so my husband and i are hoping within the next 5 years we can start building our dream home. In this home we want an in-wall 800-1000gal long aquarium. Its a toss up between a fish only/FOWLR set up or just a giant freshwater set up. In a perfect world id love to do a marine set up for an assorted semi aggressive colorful fish or sharks&rays. If i could have some species of lil shark to peacfully coexhist with colorful fish that would be perfect cuz elasmobranchs are my fave family of fish. With this build we are gonna have a walk in closet area so i can work on the tank with ease. We plan on having a large seperate sump with premade saltwater so i dont gotta deal with buckets!!!!! And have a drain by the tank so i can again not deal with buckets!!! The lighting i dont feel will need to be super hightech (does it?) im kinda planning on some just real general LED lights since i wont have corals in it. As for the pumps and everything else what do i need to look into ? Id like to have a sump under the tank and maybe an added canister filter. So would i need like a swimming pool sized canister filter or do they make one big enough for aquariums?
 

snakeblitz33

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Sounds like you have a good start. They do make canister filters for pools. They usually have an empty space inside where you can add your own filtration media. Canister filters on such a large tank are more cumbersome and difficult to maintain over time. Consider using one only for GFO or carbon if you can. I highly suggest looking into custom building your own protein skimmer. There's a really good build of a 20,000g tank over on another forum that I think would really interest you. The guy also has a 1,500g reef tank that is pretty awesome. He also built his own custom skimmers and used a modified dart pump... mesh mod... It was pretty cool to watch everything come together.
You should consider keeping a couple of large water barrels in the garage (200+ gallons) so that you can do water changes easily with a pump from the barrel(s) to the tank. The same pump can mix the saltwater too...
If you don't plan on using a whole lot of live rock or base rock in the system, consider getting yourself a small pool sand filter. It will keep enough biological filtration in there where you should never have any ammonia/nitrite problems, and it will keep the water pretty clear. Of course, you would have to backwash it when you do a water change.
 

snakeblitz33

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Also consider a couple of closed loop systems with some strong pumps. Even though it would be fish only with live rock, you still need plenty of circulation to keep food and detritus from building up on the sandbed and pushed into the overflows. Consider a couple few Reeflo Hammerheads two to three closed loop systems...
If you don't want to use Reeflo hammerheads or anything like that, you can possibly use a pool pump with the basket in it. Put a carbon pillow in the basket and some filter floss and you'de be good to go. Plus, many pumps are saltwater safe these days (with the whole saltwater pool setup) heck, you could even use a pool UV sterilizer if you wished. Pool pumps should always be grounded and connected to GFCI/AFCI breakers. Make sure you or your electrician knows what they are doing!!!
I had a 3/4hp pool pump running as the sump pump on my 3,000g system. It worked pretty well...
 
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lady medusa

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wow i have to jog my memory on how a closed system works. But i thought a tank with a sump would be a closed system? Id like to not use an underground filter system but those are like never heard of with marine system these days. When i was an aquarist at OKC zoo we used alot of pool canister sand filters and 1/2hp to 3/4hp pumps and i gotta tell ya they are a nightmare to change out and super scarey to work with cause of them being hardwired in. We always had switches to turn them off and whatnot and im super glad we had somone else work on the electrical part lol! When we did waterchanges with the canister filers we would set them to backwash and it worked awesomly. Now we did have some huge protien skimmers but it may be cheaper to build my own like you said, however then we tried to make our own on a 14,000 gallon artifical reef it never worked properly. But that was like an 8/9ft tall structure! Way bigger then id want on my tank lol. As for the premade saltwater barrels, i will have them already in the workarea of the tank. We had these big square blue transport containers at the zoo that we used when we collected fish. I dont remember the exact amount of water they held but it was an easy 500gals and that would be perfect for a saltwater vat. Um i havent decided on my aquascape for this tank cause i kinda feel its a bit early BUT certain key species of what id like house in that tank will infuence how i will do it. One of the species id like to have in this tank is the flying gurnard so i will need lots of open sand space. So the theme of the tank will not only be based on color BUT also an edge of the reef look or i could have mostof my rock suspended above the sand bed. I will keep liverock in the sump but ill also have bioballs in the sump too.
Right now im working on a new aquascape for my present fish only tank. Im using seashells to make the background,side walls, pillars, and tons of other structures. Ill have a few pieces of live rock to help make the seashells into "liverock". Its crazy sounding i know BUT im burned out of the traditional rockwall or basic rock arches that you see all the time in aquariums. And if this works how i want it to and the fish enjoy it then thats probably what ill do with this monster set up. What i like about seashells is the are inexpensive,superlight weight, and porous(i have also made sure im not using dyed or purfumed shells!)
Thanks for the direction to go into for equipment. Ill have to look up that aquarium. When i told my husband last night i was trying to get an idea of what all we would need for such a setup his response was "ah we will just get the guys from tanked to do it!" Ha! Would be less stressful but man he would have a heart attack if he saw the bill i bet!
 

snakeblitz33

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Lol. So are you going to build your own tank and silicone in some glass or is it going to be all acrylic? You could look into the pond foam stuff for doing some squad aping. It might even save you some money in rock costs.
Saltwater pool pumps would be the way to go, with a lot of automation. There's a guy with the handle "energy" on RC that has a 1600g reef tank. He has been writing a book on large saltwater aquariums for awhile. Contact him and see if you can get some of your more detailed questions answered. I would really like it if you could do some diagrams of the system you are thinking about doing. I might could spot a couple things. ;)
 
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lady medusa

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Lol with the amount of aqua and terrascaping i do im over the pond foam too lol! Like i said i dont plan on using a whole lot of liverock. And it will be like a good five years before we even get to the planning part. And ill most likely go w acrylic but it scratches easier then glass BUT with the horrors ive seen with contractors who donno what the hell their doing plus sliliconed glass panels Ill take the scratches!!!! We had 3 huge tanks built at a new exhibit. One was an 18,000 gallon freshwater native fishes tank, one was a huge riverotter/bever exhibit (est 10,000-20,000gal), and an alligator snapping turtle exhibit(10,000gal) all 3 of them had major major issues ! The 18,000 gal apparently had the wrong silicone used so it slowly leaked toxins in the water and then one day one of the seams popped! The exhibit was flooded! Then come to find out the silicone never completely cured in the first place! Next of all it took like 2 years to even get the otter tank to get filled cause the seal kept popping and leaking water and then water was also Constantly disappearing to " no mans land" under the exhibit. The final nightmare is the snapping turtle tank. Again the seams wouldnt stay and would leak and to make things worse it kept popping a panel of glass in half cause of the shape of the tank. It was a nightmare when they filled it the first time, the water got a bit over halfway full and then SNAP! That panel broke in half and water flooded the exhibit AGAIN!! They still havent fixed the problem to THIS day almost 4 years after being built and still no water or turtle in the stupid thing!
 

snakeblitz33

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That sucks! I hate to hear all of the troubles. It will all eventually work out in the end.
Someday I would like to start an exhibit of my own, way in the future, of course. So.... If the planning and everything is starting five years from now, what do you need to know about it all now?
 
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