getting disheartened

renogaw

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I have this 75 gallon tank with only 4 fish, 1 of which swims everywhere. Every fish i think of or see either is incompatible with shrimp/crustaceans, too aggressive (damsels), too "big" to go in a 75, or boring as heck (chromis).
not being able to have fish is ticking me off.
 

jon321

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Dwarf angels, anthias, basslets, blennies, butterflies, cardinalfish, chromis, clownfish, firefish, damsels, foxface/rabbitfish, gobies, jawfish, dottybacks, some tangs, some wrasses....probably atleast 200 different species that you could choose from that are common in the shops and compatible with your tank and current inhabitants.
Jon
 

renogaw

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Originally Posted by Jon321
Dwarf angels, anthias, basslets, blennies, butterflies, cardinalfish, chromis, clownfish, firefish, damsels, foxface/rabbitfish, gobies, jawfish, dottybacks, some tangs, some wrasses....probably atleast 200 different species that you could choose from that are common in the shops and compatible with your tank and current inhabitants.
Jon
cardinals, basslets, most wrasses: invert unfrendly
have a dwarf angle (can't mix)
have 2 clowns (cant add)
have pink/blue spotted goby (supposdely can't add any more gobies and i'm not sure if that goes for firefish)
most of the other fish there say they are a danger to corals
damsels: everyone says forget about em.
Chromis/anthias: i was thinking about these, but since they are a schooling fish you need to buy multiples which limits purchases of other fish due to bioload.
let me know if i'm wrong on my assessments, because this is what is killing me.
lfs got in some tomeni (sp) tangs which are supposed to be ok for a 75, but the darn things are $120 :(
 

garnet13aj

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I don't mean to be rude, but that is the bargain you pay for buying a smaller tank. I understand the constraints of money and space but you have to go with what you have. I have a 55 g and I've been able to find some cool, yet appropriate fish to go into it. How about listing the fish you have and people can give you some other suggestions. Also, the book Marine Fishes by Scott Michael helped me a lot in choosing some appropriate fish for my tank.
 

renogaw

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Originally Posted by garnet13aj
I don't mean to be rude, but that is the bargain you pay for buying a smaller tank. I understand the constraints of money and space but you have to go with what you have. I have a 55 g and I've been able to find some cool, yet appropriate fish to go into it. How about listing the fish you have and people can give you some other suggestions. Also, the book Marine Fishes by Scott Michael helped me a lot in choosing some appropriate fish for my tank.
understandable, but tbh a 75 gallon tank is not a small tank. money wasn't the issue, nor was space. my constraint seems to be compatibility. i posted i have 2 percs, 1 coral beauty, and 1 pink/blue shrimp goby. and i have scott michael's book. that book is one thing leading to my frustration too--almost every single fish seems to either be a danger to corals or crustraceons or incompatible with what i already have.
it's also frustrating that people who visit this website seem against putting a tang in anything less than an ocean, yet LFS and people i personally know say some tangs are ok to go into a 75 since some fish will only grow as big as their tanks will allow (i've seen purple, yellow, and tomeni tangs that are 2-3 years old and no bigger than new to the store fish). i totally respect the opinion here from all the help i've gotten so i am torn between the two.
 

garnet13aj

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As far as tangs go I'm not an expert and I've never owned one, but I hear pretty cosistently that a kole tang would be able to fit in a 75. As I said, I haven't owned one, but you should look into them. I really like their shape andd their not one that you seen as often in everybody's tank.
 

hatessushi

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I have a 90 gallon and have a Kole (koly) Tang that is fun to watch. contrary to what you said about wrasses, quite a few are considered reef safe like the 6 line, carpenter, leopard, pink margin, velvet multicolor, exquisite, radiant, Lineatus fairy, labouts fairy, blue star leopard among a few.
I currently have a maroon clown, diamond goby, coral beauty, Kole tang, hawaiian (or Indian) trigger all reef safe in my 90.
 

beatlesfan

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[First of all NO ONE did anyhting to deserve the rebuke and theres alot of diffrnce between a 90g tnak and the ocean also i can think of about 3 specias of the top of my head that would go well with your fish. Flame angel is a good pick but not sure about the siz eof tank requried.
 

rackyrane

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I agree with the Kole tang. My husband has one in his saltwater tank and he is a great little fish with alot of personality. He doesn't hide alot like my purple tang and actually comes to the front of the tank and interacts with you at times.
 

anonome

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Renogaw, don't get frustrated. A 75 gallon reef tank is not a small tank, but of course a larger would be better for most tangs, but not all. You could get a yellow tang or kole and be fine. Anthias are beautiful fish, a pair would be just fine, don't have to get a school of these. Remember, they will change --- to accomodate their needs. The lyretail, or pink square can be loners. Any of the flasher wrasses are extremely beautiful and reef safe. I am looking into getting a velvet fairy wrasse myself. Remember, with any of these you choose they can become a rogue. Just like the coral beauty can be a iffy prospect also, and yours is doing well. I have a heniochus diphreutes butterfly that is a perfect reef fish, but the acuminatus is not a reef safe fish and looks almost identical. Do some research on these and you will learn how to pick the right one. They say he is a schooling fish, but has done just fine on his own. Ask questions on any prospects and I will try to help you out.
Don't give up.
 

renogaw

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Originally Posted by Beatlesfan
[First of all NO ONE did anyhting to deserve the rebuke and theres alot of diffrnce between a 90g tnak and the ocean also i can think of about 3 specias of the top of my head that would go well with your fish. Flame angel is a good pick but not sure about the siz eof tank requried.
not sure who're you talking to about the rebuke.
and i have a coral beuaty so i can't get a flame angel.
 

renogaw

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Originally Posted by Rackyrane
I agree with the Kole tang. My husband has one in his saltwater tank and he is a great little fish with alot of personality. He doesn't hide alot like my purple tang and actually comes to the front of the tank and interacts with you at times.

a lot of personality meaning it swims a lot, watches you watching it?
the tank is so empty looking i want swimmers.
 

renogaw

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Originally Posted by Anonome
Renogaw, don't get frustrated. A 75 gallon reef tank is not a small tank, but of course a larger would be better for most tangs, but not all. You could get a yellow tang or kole and be fine. Anthias are beautiful fish, a pair would be just fine, don't have to get a school of these. Remember, they will change --- to accomodate their needs. The lyretail, or pink square can be loners. Any of the flasher wrasses are extremely beautiful and reef safe. I am looking into getting a velvet fairy wrasse myself. Remember, with any of these you choose they can become a rogue. Just like the coral beauty can be a iffy prospect also, and yours is doing well. I have a heniochus diphreutes butterfly that is a perfect reef fish, but the acuminatus is not a reef safe fish and looks almost identical. Do some research on these and you will learn how to pick the right one. They say he is a schooling fish, but has done just fine on his own. Ask questions on any prospects and I will try to help you out.
Don't give up.
flasher wrasses were one of my wish list fish but i've been looking for so long for one i pretty well gave up on them.
same with anthias (the one with the male having purple spots on his fins) but yet again, trying to find even a pair of fem/male is difficult. but yet again, i read that they should be kept in groups of 6 fem and 1 male. i'd love to hear confirmation to the contrary on that.
 

renogaw

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Originally Posted by HatesSushi
I have a 90 gallon and have a Kole (koly) Tang that is fun to watch. contrary to what you said about wrasses, quite a few are considered reef safe like the 6 line, carpenter, leopard, pink margin, velvet multicolor, exquisite, radiant, Lineatus fairy, labouts fairy, blue star leopard among a few.
I currently have a maroon clown, diamond goby, coral beauty, Kole tang, hawaiian (or Indian) trigger all reef safe in my 90.

wrasses may be reef safe, but how crusteaceon (sp) and shrimp safe are they? same with triggers
 

hatessushi

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There are a few triggers that are reef safe and invert safe. The one I have Hawaiian (Indian) trigger hasn't bothered anything but has move a few smaller rodck around. It's funny to watch him do that. He is like a puppy dog also and come to the top at feeding time and tries to squirt water at me. He also grunts alot during feeding time. I am trying to teach him to stay at the top when I am there and turn over so I can rub on his belly. No luck yet. there is also the Blue Jaw Trigger, Crosshatch Trigger, the Pinktail trigger is iffy on the inverts. Although they MAY eat ornamental shrimp they need to be added to the tank after the shrimp. I also have a cleaner shrimp and he hasn't bothered it yet. It looks like they are working on some sort of relationship for the shrimp to clean the trigger and maybe the trigger will protect it, not sure though.
by the way last I looked there was a Hawaiian trigger available on the site. although I believe it is an Indian trigger like mine since I got mine from this site. I went through a debate with another member and he won so I beleive mine is actually an Indian trigger and this site needs to change the name. The Hawaiian trigger actually get way bigger than the Indian. the Indian gets up to about 8 inches whereas the hawaiian is about 10 inches
 

hatessushi

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Here is my Trigger. Oh, and although my tank is 90 gallons that includes the back of the tank with is like a built in refugium since it's a Uniquarium and there is about 75 gallons of usable fish area.
 

jon321

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Originally Posted by renogaw
flasher wrasses were one of my wish list fish but i've been looking for so long for one i pretty well gave up on them.
same with anthias (the one with the male having purple spots on his fins) but yet again, trying to find even a pair of fem/male is difficult. but yet again, i read that they should be kept in groups of 6 fem and 1 male. i'd love to hear confirmation to the contrary on that.
Ive personally kept the disbar anthias single, it did very well. It was later donated to a friend's 180g reef tank and still kicking it, alone, a good 3 years later. Anthias are kinda like tangs, found in schools in the wild, but very aggressive to their own kind if not given enough room. I recommend keeping them singly in less than 150g+ tanks.
As for tangs, I think a yellow or kole would be fine, probably a tomini too.
Chromis are good, and cardinals are quite reef safe, mabe picking off a tiny sexy shrimp or something. Thats about it.
Jon
 

wodave

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In my opinion if you will do water changes and take care of your tank, you can go a little over board. Just don't get a fish that get 18"
I have a 90 gallon and I know that some people here would shoot me for what I have in my tank
Water changes - #1 way to succes
 
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