Global warming is killing people

renogaw

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2997171
Man is going to survive much better during a time of warming than cooling. Think about it, how many indigenous people do you see living in tropical climates. And compare that to how many indigenous people live in very cold climates. You have temperatures closer to our preferred temperature range. Longer growing season. More plentiful wildlife. Imagine how much more grain we could produce if we could grow food in the midwest year round...
you dont even have to look at indigenous people... there have been, what 16 seasons? of survivor and NONE have been in cold climates...
 

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by taznut
http:///forum/post/2996392
sorry jackri but this is another statement i get irritated when it comes to the global warming issue... this statement comes from people that run with the term without understanding it... the warming part is in regards to the conditions at the caps... yearly averages have been increasing causing more of the ice caps to melt... more melting causes the ocean water characteristics to change... this is what causes more extream weather accross the world (floods, tornados, hurricanes, etc.)... this is why they have changed the term 'global warming' to 'climate change'... this is also how 'global warming' will lead to an ice age...
with this said, thank you for all your help on my work in progress...


Then get irritated at yourself. You have no clue for that which you are defending. Global warming is the term used for the increase of the global temperature on average...GLOBAL AVERAGE INCREASE.....not polar cap specific.
Then you follow it up with the Ice caps are melting, yet this story clearly states we have no accurate way to measure that currently...
 

taznut

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2996669
I can't believe anyone really thinks ANYTHING THE US DOES, WILL MATTER AT ALL.
Look at the 3rd/2nd world countries, India, specifically, but China, Brazil, Tawian, Korea, etc as well. Look at what they are doing. Watch Slumdog Millionare and notice all of the pollution.
Honestly, if everyone is the US got rid of their cars, and powered their homes by solar energy, I doubt it would change anything at all.
So please, forcing auto manufactures to acheive some unrealistic brand "MPG" and coercing everyone into buying CFL bulbs.... Spare us...
Rant over...
this would change a lot... i wouldnt mind paying 10$/gal if my car got 100mpg...
on a more serious note, there are other reasons why the US should be concerned with mpg, such as, forgien cars are better than ours AND cheaper... we have very little manufacturing left the way it is...
the CFL bulbs save us money and, for places like CA, help when there are power shortages...
I do agree that there are other countries that polute much much more than we do but there are other countries with much higher disease rates as well, does this mean when should stop looking for a cure...
 

taznut

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2996525
I agree we should use science to study this but as of now we only have theory that Global Warming is Man made.If in fact it is just a natural occurrence then what do we do to stop it.
Should we do anything at all about it if it is a natural event on the global scale.Do we know more than the laws of nature?And should we tamper with them?
Sure we should study, but i think we are jumping the gun here saying man is killing the planet when know one has proof.However we should do are part in preventing further polluting of our planet ,but in a responsible educated manner.
Not in a chicken little, the sky is falling nonfactual scare tactic.
Just my 2¢
global warming/climate change is naturally occuring... i dont know any one who says we as humans are CAUSING this... but we may be helping it a long...
 

aquaknight

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Originally Posted by taznut
http:///forum/post/2997482
such as, forgien cars are better than ours AND cheaper...
This is obviosuly only an opinion. There are those of us that would never be caught dead owning an import, errr, Asian import.
Originally Posted by taznut
http:///forum/post/2997482
this would change a lot... i wouldnt mind paying 10$/gal if my car got 100mpg...
on a more serious note, there are other reasons why the US should be concerned with mpg, such as, forgien cars are better than ours AND cheaper... we have very little manufacturing left the way it is...
the CFL bulbs save us money and, for places like CA, help when there are power shortages...
I do agree that there are other countries that polute much much more than we do but there are other countries with much higher disease rates as well, does this mean when should stop looking for a cure...
I made that comment about MPG as it's doing the opposite of what you say. It's hurting domestic manufactures, as they are forced to drop some popular models in order to meet B.S. CAFE standards.
Also because I find people's thoughts/actions on MPG as a real joke. If people honestly cared about MPG, everyone would be driving a 50MPG TDI Jetta. But people generally want something a bit larger.
The CFL's are a joke too. Why exactly are we suppose to change again? For the environment, right? Everything I've read shows that CFL bulbs contain some pretty damaging stuff inside, and if everyone made the switch, could have some pretty serious effects. Same thing for hybrid cars. Where do the batteries come from? From what I know, horribly damaging sulfur mines. Samething is we switched to hydrogen cars. Hydrogen itself is clean, but the problem is the amount of energy needed to make hydrogen, eliminates any positive environmental gain.
Originally Posted by taznut

http:///forum/post/2997482
I do agree that there are other countries that polute much much more than we do but there are other countries with much higher disease rates as well, does this mean when should stop looking for a cure...
No we shouldn't stop looking for a cure, but I guess my underlying argument is that we shouldn't change, just for the sake of change. The alternatives are so feeble in comparison. Eventually, sure, there will be something better, but the stuff now, just doesn't cut it. I guess paying homage to the disease simile, it would be like putting drugs on market that aren't meeting the safety standards. But because we're lead to believe they are 'so good' for us, we want them anyways, regardless of the long term effects....
 

dragonzim

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2997536
This is obviosuly only an opinion. There are those of us that would never be caught dead owning an import, errr, Asian import.
Just because you wouldnt own one doesnt mean that American cars are better than foreign...
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/2997249
you dont even have to look at indigenous people... there have been, what 16 seasons? of survivor and NONE have been in cold climates...

Originally Posted by taznut
http:///forum/post/2997482
this would change a lot... i wouldnt mind paying 10$/gal if my car got 100mpg...
on a more serious note, there are other reasons why the US should be concerned with mpg, such as, forgien cars are better than ours AND cheaper... we have very little manufacturing left the way it is...
the CFL bulbs save us money and, for places like CA, help when there are power shortages...
I do agree that there are other countries that polute much much more than we do but there are other countries with much higher disease rates as well, does this mean when should stop looking for a cure...
lol, wow, so never mind a CFL bulb being 8 dollars for about 50 cents a bulb. And that DOESN'T account for the cost of property disposing of the hazardous CFL bulb. Energy prices are going to go up to cover the extremely high fixed cost of electricity. On a whole we aren't going to save a penny.
Originally Posted by taznut

http:///forum/post/2997486
i dont know any one who says we as humans are CAUSING this... but we may be helping it a long...
if that is the case, we aren't causing why bother with these "green" stuff shoved down our throats...
 

renogaw

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i don't know about you, but my cfl's are burning out at about the same rate as normal bulbs...
PLUS i gotta take them to the dump and get them properly disposed of due to all the mercury... what a crock...
 

1journeyman

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Of course we're in a period of climate change. I beg someone to tell me once in the history of our planet when it wasn't undergoing climate change?
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/2997571
i don't know about you, but my cfl's are burning out at about the same rate as normal bulbs...
PLUS i gotta take them to the dump and get them properly disposed of due to all the mercury... what a crock...
You just have to look at how often we change out of t-5's... Half life sucks.
 

taznut

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2997565

lol, wow, so never mind a CFL bulb being 8 dollars for about 50 cents a bulb. And that DOESN'T account for the cost of property disposing of the hazardous CFL bulb. Energy prices are going to go up to cover the extremely high fixed cost of electricity. On a whole we aren't going to save a penny.
if that is the case, we aren't causing why bother with these "green" stuff shoved down our throats...
i think these comments are funny... you are posting these on a saltwater site, were everyone want there tanks to be perfect, yet when it comes to having a healthier planet... what? it doesnt matter, lets keep on poluting?? maybe it doesnt save money (although i dont agree with this) it is better for the planet, isn't that good enough???
 

aquaknight

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Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/2997556
Just because you wouldnt own one doesnt mean that American cars are better than foreign...
No it doesn't. I was just pointing out a blanket statement 'foreign cars are better' is just as inaccurate as saying domestics are better. Different things matter to different people.
Originally Posted by taznut

http:///forum/post/2997679
i think these comments are funny... you are posting these on a saltwater site, were everyone want there tanks to be perfect, yet when it comes to having a healthier planet... what? it doesnt matter, lets keep on poluting?? maybe it doesnt save money (although i dont agree with this) it is better for the planet, isn't that good enough???
Did you read my last paragraph? What good is change is if its worse?
Is everyone switching over to CFL bulbs really better? Is it better that everyone has tons of mercury to dispose of now? How many people to you do think, don't dispose of their CFL bulbs properly? How much more damaging/poll
uting is that, then just using a standard bulb?
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/2997571
i don't know about you, but my cfl's are burning out at about the same rate as normal bulbs...
PLUS i gotta take them to the dump and get them properly disposed of due to all the mercury... what a crock...

Mine do as well. However screw that proper disposal crap, they already pay someone to sort6 the garbage for this stuff, I am not inconvienencing myself further by make a special trip to dispose of this bulb. If they are better for the environment then the environment can handle them in the dump the same as other bulbs....
 

renogaw

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i don't know about you, but my garbage collectors just lift the can and squish everything in the back of the truck. that's where the cfl's are breaking, and that's where the murcury is getting dumped. by the time it's back to the "sorting" area the murcury is already gone... that's some nasty crud...
 

darthtang aw

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Mine does go in our recycle bin that the city comes by and picks up, no squishing like the trash pick up....I am paying for recycle pick up they can come get it and sort it....besides each bulb has about the same mercury level as some fish....
 

renogaw

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yes, but where did that mercury in the fish come from? CT has such a problem with mercury that we can only safely eat one or two fish caught a week in the CT river.
that's good that they recycle your light bulbs, ours go in the trash.
that's the problem though with them... people don't either care or know that there is mercury in them. our atny general has fought cereal makers about the mercury in the little toys' batteries, has outlawed all mercury switches (such as thermostats), but is leaving cfl's alone... something's odd...
 
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