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swfishguy
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I have a canister filter just sitting at home. It has a UV built into it. I was going to buy a UV but I was thinking I could just remove the stages & media and just use it as an empty CFS for the UV. Go or No-Go?
snakeblitz33
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UV is pretty much useless in home aquaria.
acrylic51
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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/393256/go-or-no-go#post_3497104
UV is pretty much useless in home aquaria.
Disagree.....If used and sized correctly it can serve a purpose
Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/393256/go-or-no-go#post_3497104
UV is pretty much useless in home aquaria.
Disagree.....If used and sized correctly it can serve a purpose
snakeblitz33
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Originally Posted by luvmyreef http:///t/393256/go-or-no-go#post_3497108
Come on now seth. It does have its benefits.
Yeah, cool light show.
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Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///t/393256/go-or-no-go#post_3497114
Disagree.....If used and sized correctly it can serve a purpose
You have to oversize it A LOT to get the effect that you are looking for, and even then it only treats greenwater effectively in a home system. Greenwater can be dealt with a lot easier by proper husbandry skills rather then throwing a piece of equipment at it. It has applications in broodstock systems, larval rearing systems, grow out systems, and in fish only systems with a lot of stock such as in live fish stores... I just see no point in a UV for home use.
Originally Posted by luvmyreef http:///t/393256/go-or-no-go#post_3497108
Come on now seth. It does have its benefits.
Yeah, cool light show.
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Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///t/393256/go-or-no-go#post_3497114
Disagree.....If used and sized correctly it can serve a purpose
You have to oversize it A LOT to get the effect that you are looking for, and even then it only treats greenwater effectively in a home system. Greenwater can be dealt with a lot easier by proper husbandry skills rather then throwing a piece of equipment at it. It has applications in broodstock systems, larval rearing systems, grow out systems, and in fish only systems with a lot of stock such as in live fish stores... I just see no point in a UV for home use.
pezenfuego
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I have the tendency to agree with Seth. If everything is introduced properly and the proper precautions are made, then it serves virtually no purpose. Of course, I wouldn't condemn someone for using one. In practice, yes your idea will work.
EDIT: Yes, it kills algae spores. But only those that are free floating. If you have algae, it may help a little, but not much and your underlying problem will remain.
EDIT: Yes, it kills algae spores. But only those that are free floating. If you have algae, it may help a little, but not much and your underlying problem will remain.
acrylic51
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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/393256/go-or-no-go#post_3497117
Yeah, cool light show.
You have to oversize it A LOT to get the effect that you are looking for, and even then it only treats greenwater effectively in a home system. Greenwater can be dealt with a lot easier by proper husbandry skills rather then throwing a piece of equipment at it. It has applications in broodstock systems, larval rearing systems, grow out systems, and in fish only systems with a lot of stock such as in live fish stores... I just see no point in a UV for home use.
Not.....A properly sized unit, running correctly and cleanly can serve purposes.....The units do not have to be oversized....And yes correct about free floating......Most people think this will cure ich, but won't, some use it for water clarity, but honestly better options for water clarity.....
Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/393256/go-or-no-go#post_3497117
Yeah, cool light show.
You have to oversize it A LOT to get the effect that you are looking for, and even then it only treats greenwater effectively in a home system. Greenwater can be dealt with a lot easier by proper husbandry skills rather then throwing a piece of equipment at it. It has applications in broodstock systems, larval rearing systems, grow out systems, and in fish only systems with a lot of stock such as in live fish stores... I just see no point in a UV for home use.
Not.....A properly sized unit, running correctly and cleanly can serve purposes.....The units do not have to be oversized....And yes correct about free floating......Most people think this will cure ich, but won't, some use it for water clarity, but honestly better options for water clarity.....
snakeblitz33
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Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///t/393256/go-or-no-go#post_3497132
Not.....A properly sized unit, running correctly and cleanly can serve purposes.....The units do not have to be oversized....And yes correct about free floating......Most people think this will cure ich, but won't, some use it for water clarity, but honestly better options for water clarity.....
So, it only renders organisms steril such as free floating algaes (I.E. Greenwater) as well as other BENEFICIAL organisms that can also get passed through the unit. It doesn't cure ich - and it probably won't do MUCH in the way of keeping it from spreading from one fish to the next IN THE SAME TANK (I.E. Home systems). And... there are other options for water clarity - as you said it yourself.... better filtration, vodka dosing, protein skimming, etc. etc.
So, basically you just said it was useless in a home aquarium as well.
MIND YOU, I'm like PEZ,... if you use one, there's no judgement. It's a personal call. Just know that you won't be getting much use out of it for the cost of electricity to run it.
Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///t/393256/go-or-no-go#post_3497132
Not.....A properly sized unit, running correctly and cleanly can serve purposes.....The units do not have to be oversized....And yes correct about free floating......Most people think this will cure ich, but won't, some use it for water clarity, but honestly better options for water clarity.....
So, it only renders organisms steril such as free floating algaes (I.E. Greenwater) as well as other BENEFICIAL organisms that can also get passed through the unit. It doesn't cure ich - and it probably won't do MUCH in the way of keeping it from spreading from one fish to the next IN THE SAME TANK (I.E. Home systems). And... there are other options for water clarity - as you said it yourself.... better filtration, vodka dosing, protein skimming, etc. etc.
So, basically you just said it was useless in a home aquarium as well.
MIND YOU, I'm like PEZ,... if you use one, there's no judgement. It's a personal call. Just know that you won't be getting much use out of it for the cost of electricity to run it.
acrylic51
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I'm in no way saying it's useless.....I said it has it place if done correctly and the option or route you choose......I don't buy into the whole theory mind you that it will kill of your pod population......IMO ludicrous.......It can help/aid in water clarity, as we agree.....A skimmer will do it's portion, but there's always that percentage that is anal retentive and want a little more.....That's were a UV could come into play.....I'm not sure how Vodka actually would play into clarity, but I'm open.....My personal choice would be ozone if I were to pick a poison, but again you have to know how to employ the methods safely and effectively IMHO.
acrylic51
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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/393256/go-or-no-go#post_3497136
So, it only renders organisms steril such as free floating algaes (I.E. Greenwater) as well as other BENEFICIAL organisms that can also get passed through the unit. It doesn't cure ich - and it probably won't do MUCH in the way of keeping it from spreading from one fish to the next IN THE SAME TANK (I.E. Home systems). And... there are other options for water clarity - as you said it yourself.... better filtration, vodka dosing, protein skimming, etc. etc.
So, basically you just said it was useless in a home aquarium as well.
MIND YOU, I'm like PEZ,... if you use one, there's no judgement. It's a personal call. Just know that you won't be getting much use out of it for the cost of electricity to run it.
Again Seth, PEZ.....that's a personal opinion.......Kinda like the discussion we had on RO units and waste water.....Many ways to go about things....If he already has the item on hand what's the harm......I actually do own a big UV sterilizer.....I also own an ozonizer as well......Are either currently planned for the new tank....Not at this moment, but could at any time be employed......Some swear by them.....I never seen a real "gain" during it's use......I've never been an advocate of them, but I've always stated clearly that most don't operate them correctly which makes them worthless.....Again key here is if your going to use it; use it correctly for whatever your purpose or intention is.
Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/393256/go-or-no-go#post_3497136
So, it only renders organisms steril such as free floating algaes (I.E. Greenwater) as well as other BENEFICIAL organisms that can also get passed through the unit. It doesn't cure ich - and it probably won't do MUCH in the way of keeping it from spreading from one fish to the next IN THE SAME TANK (I.E. Home systems). And... there are other options for water clarity - as you said it yourself.... better filtration, vodka dosing, protein skimming, etc. etc.
So, basically you just said it was useless in a home aquarium as well.
MIND YOU, I'm like PEZ,... if you use one, there's no judgement. It's a personal call. Just know that you won't be getting much use out of it for the cost of electricity to run it.
Again Seth, PEZ.....that's a personal opinion.......Kinda like the discussion we had on RO units and waste water.....Many ways to go about things....If he already has the item on hand what's the harm......I actually do own a big UV sterilizer.....I also own an ozonizer as well......Are either currently planned for the new tank....Not at this moment, but could at any time be employed......Some swear by them.....I never seen a real "gain" during it's use......I've never been an advocate of them, but I've always stated clearly that most don't operate them correctly which makes them worthless.....Again key here is if your going to use it; use it correctly for whatever your purpose or intention is.
snakeblitz33
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As far as water clarity, UV doesn't really do anything besides render freefloating living organisms infertile... they still have to be collected and gotten out of the system via filtration, skimming and siphoning out.
Vodka does have it's usefulness for clarity. I'll give you an article to another forum if interested. I've done a lot of research on it and experimented with it on my 20g nano before I moved it to my new place. Once my reef is full blown again, I'll be experimenting with vodka dosing again.
If I had to pick a poison when it comes to water clarity, UV is far in left field. I would pick a DE filter first (for photoshoots etc.) , then Ozone.
Vodka does have it's usefulness for clarity. I'll give you an article to another forum if interested. I've done a lot of research on it and experimented with it on my 20g nano before I moved it to my new place. Once my reef is full blown again, I'll be experimenting with vodka dosing again.
If I had to pick a poison when it comes to water clarity, UV is far in left field. I would pick a DE filter first (for photoshoots etc.) , then Ozone.
snakeblitz33
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Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///t/393256/go-or-no-go#post_3497155
Shoot me the article.....Haven't even thought about DE in ages.....Actually the late 90's........
Personally PITA and can be detrimental if your haphazard as well.......Ozone the evil is it will destroy most skimmers these days......
Yeah, Ozone does have it's pitfalls. I guess everything does if you think about it. Ozone can be a bit more tedious to monitor than other pieces of equipment.
I'm not saying run a DE filter ALL the time, but just before guests arrive, a photoshoot... things like that, they are awesome for water clarity.
Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///t/393256/go-or-no-go#post_3497155
Shoot me the article.....Haven't even thought about DE in ages.....Actually the late 90's........
Yeah, Ozone does have it's pitfalls. I guess everything does if you think about it. Ozone can be a bit more tedious to monitor than other pieces of equipment.
I'm not saying run a DE filter ALL the time, but just before guests arrive, a photoshoot... things like that, they are awesome for water clarity.
acrylic51
Active Member
Actually we ran DE in the shop early Saturday mornings before opening........
Actually I know of a place you can still get them.....You'd figure they'd be pretty cheap in price, but I still think their expensive.....Honestly the old Hot Magnum Deluxe filters with the pleated filters polished a tank like mad.......And you could clean the cartridge with water and bleach and ready to go next water change.....
snakeblitz33
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Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///t/393256/go-or-no-go#post_3497162
Actually we ran DE in the shop early Saturday mornings before opening........
Actually I know of a place you can still get them.....You'd figure they'd be pretty cheap in price, but I still think their expensive.....Honestly the old Hot Magnum Deluxe filters with the pleated filters polished a tank like mad.......And you could clean the cartridge with water and bleach and ready to go next water change.....
Ah, the good ole' days.
Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///t/393256/go-or-no-go#post_3497162
Actually we ran DE in the shop early Saturday mornings before opening........