GOING WAY TOO FAR

meowzer

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OK...IMO this is the most ridiculous thing......OH and I mean because the teacher is suspended over this....
An Ohio middle school teacher is fighting to keep her job after a photo was seen on her Facebook page showing students of hers with duct tape across their mouths. The Akron school board is considering whether to terminate her.
Melissa Cairns, a middle school math teacher at Buchtel Community Learning Center, has been on unpaid administrative leave after an Akron public schools worker noticed a photo posted on Facebook of a group of students with duct tape across their mouths. The caption on the photo: "Finally found a way to get them to be quiet!!!"
Jason Haas, president of the Akron Board of Education, said the case raises questions about students' privacy and social media.
"This is the start of my sixth year on the board. In that time, we haven't had a case come before us for potential disciplinary action for posting a picture to social media websites," said Haas. "Has she violated the students' privacy? That's what we're concerned about. Everyone seems to be focused on the duct tape."
Sarah Hollander, communications officer for Akron Public Schools, issued a statement describing the case:
"There were about 15 or 16 middle school students in the class. Eight or nine students put the tape on their mouths. Cairns took a photo and posted it on her personal Facebook page as a joke. The photo wasn't dated, but was likely taken in late September or early October 2012," said Hollander. "Principal Sonya Gordon asked Cairns to take the photo down. She also alerted parents of students in the class."
Cairns told ABC News affiliate WEWS-TV in Cleveland that she originally gave one of her students the tape to fix her binder. When the teacher handed the strip of tape to the student, Cairns said, she placed the piece of tape over her mouth and laughed. When the other students saw the girl laughing, they joined in. Next, students asked Cairns to snap a photo.
"Do I think that this one mistake should cost me the last 10 years of all the good I've done? Absolutely not," said Cairns. "When your emotions are involved, that's when you learn things."
On Jan. 22, Cairns requested a hearing take place to determine whether she can keep her job as a math teacher. She is entitled to present her case with a referee present. A date for the hearing has not been set.
Haas told WEWS-TV that "students are protected under federal law and have certain protections." He said, "It would look like that potentially violates those protections."
But will this set a new precedent for the school board? Haas said it's difficult to determine.
"It comes down to how the board feels after the administration presents their case. We've gone with the teacher's side and there's other cases where we've gone with the administration's side," said Haas. "Nothing is cut and dry at all."
On Jan. 14, the seven-member board of education was given criteria to consider whether Cairns should be let go.
The 33-year-old teacher was put on paid administrative leave on Oct. 19. As of Jan. 15, she's been placed on an unpaid administrative leave. On Jan. 16, Cairns received a letter informing her of a possible firing. She was given 10 days to request a hearing before the board or a referee.
"Why was there duct tape in the classroom? How did they [the students] come to have access to it," said Haas. "We'll have these answers to these questions later."
Haas said he believes the hearing will likely be scheduled in late February.
Cairns was hired by Akron Public Schools in August 2007, and first came to Buchtel last August
 

darthtang aw

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when they suspend little kids (i mean elementary school) for making a gun with their finger and saying "bang"......why does this shock you?
 

beth

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Originally Posted by Gemmy http:///t/394311/going-way-too-far#post_3509548
It's common sense, Facebook and the workplace do not mix. Plain and simple.
Publishing on the web in general can get you in trouble with your job as well as other things---which is why I avoid it.
Teacher used poor judgment, but it certainly does not seem like she intended to be "inappropriate". She deserves some low-profile discipline in the form of counseling, but not firing.
 

crimzy

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I'm not sure what your point is meowzer. If you're saying that the unfortunate teacher is the victim here and shouldn't be disciplined then i completely disagree. As the article indicates, the primary issue here is the invasion of privacy more than the tape. This is an example of terrible judgment by her, even if she's more stupid than evil. I would also be upset if someone posted my girls' images, and the tape just adds to the inappropriateness. If the kids were playing by tying each other up would she post pics of kids in bondage?
People have to be smart about what they post, especially where kids are concerned. People have been fired for far less...
 

darthtang aw

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I'm not sure what your point is meowzer. If you're saying that the unfortunate teacher is the victim here and shouldn't be disciplined then i completely disagree. As the article indicates, the primary issue here is the invasion of privacy more than the tape. This is an example of terrible judgment by her, even if she's more stupid than evil. I would also be upset if someone posted my girls' images, and the tape just adds to the inappropriateness. If the kids were playing by tying each other up would she post pics of kids in bondage?
People have to be smart about what they post, especially where kids are concerned. People have been fired for far less...
I think the potential loss of a job in this case is extreme however.
 

meowzer

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/394311/going-way-too-far#post_3509588
I think the potential loss of a job in this case is extreme however.
I think losing her job is too much.......I have seen a lot of things from schools posted on FB.....sporting events, pageants, from elementary on up
MY point is.....we are getting carried away.......
so Crimz....if your child was at a track event and somebody posted it would that upset you? They do that a lot here with all different things....
I went to the elementary school today and read to kindergarteners......the teacher took pics......if she posts that.....should she be fired for invasion of privacy
That is what I am asking....WHERE do you draw the line.....
 

crimzy

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I think the potential loss of a job in this case is extreme however.
I hear ya but imagine how you'd feel if your middle school child's picture was posted on someone's facebook with duct tape over his/her mouth. I'd be pretty upset. It's a harsh response for someone who probably didn't intend any malice but I'm not shedding any tears for this idiot.
 

crimzy

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I think losing her job is too much.......I have seen a lot of things from schools posted on FB.....sporting events, pageants, from elementary on up
MY point is.....we are getting carried away.......
so Crimz....if your child was at a track event and somebody posted it would that upset you?  They do that a lot here with all different things....
I went to the elementary school today and read to kindergarteners......the teacher took pics......if she posts that.....should she be fired for invasion of privacy
That is what I am asking....WHERE do you draw the line.....
Very simple... you err on the side of caution. I won't post pictures of other people's kids without their permission. It's a violation of privacy to me and the tape joke is just tasteless.
 

beth

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Staff member
If the parents are putting up a ruckus, which they have a right to do so, then that could be the reason that dismissal is being considered.
 

meowzer

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HMMM...Wonder how long before the law suits start....BAHAHA
Just kidding......I just don't feel the same......BUT everyone is entitled to their own opinions :)
 

beth

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Staff member
Law suits are not out of the question. However, you have to wonder if teachers nowadays are actually given a conduct guideline.
 

2quills

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/394311/going-way-too-far#post_3509604
Law suits are not out of the question. However, you have to wonder if teachers nowadays are actually given a conduct guideline.
Exactly. I'm sure if she had any idea that a simple joke (in her eyes) would make such a stink with someone else. We're getting to the point were everyone is supposed to be perfect and understand and abide by every single law on the books. Even lawyers don't understand every law on the books. People aren't perfect, they are people. And for someone to loose their lively hood over something that I'm sure was not intended maliciously is just a little bit too much for me too. As a society we tend to make conclusions even in situations that aren't fully understand by all parties.
I suspect it won't be long now before we're locked up over the next 2-5 for picking our noses in public places.
 

crimzy

Active Member
I'm not sure you'll see any lawsuits. There's not much value there and it's very tough to sue the school as they have governmental immunity. I wouldn't take the case.
 

gemmy

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Originally Posted by meowzer http:///t/394311/going-way-too-far#post_3509592
I think losing her job is too much.......I have seen a lot of things from schools posted on FB.....sporting events, pageants, from elementary on up
MY point is.....we are getting carried away.......
so Crimz....if your child was at a track event and somebody posted it would that upset you? They do that a lot here with all different things....
I went to the elementary school today and read to kindergarteners......the teacher took pics......if she posts that.....should she be fired for invasion of privacy
That is what I am asking....WHERE do you draw the line.....
IMO, there is a huge difference between posting up pics by a school for sporting events, pageants or other activities and a teacher posting pics of her students on her personal FB page. Unless the teacher had written consent from all the parents, she had no right to post pictures of the students on her personal FB page.
 

2quills

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Originally Posted by Gemmy http:///t/394311/going-way-too-far#post_3509607
IMO, there is a huge difference between posting up pics by a school for sporting events, pageants or other activities and a teacher posting pics of her students on her personal FB page. Unless the teacher had written consent from all the parents, she had no right to post pictures of the students on her personal FB page.
Is there a current law against this? Other than the obvious inappropriate type stuff that we know to be illegal already. I mean, she doesn't truly duct tape kids mouth shut to quiet the down does she? Or does, she?
 

gemmy

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/394311/going-way-too-far#post_3509609
Is there a current law against this? Other than the obvious inappropriate type stuff that we know to be illegal already. I mean, she doesn't truly duct tape kids mouth shut to quiet the down does she? Or does, she?
According to the article, "students are protected under federal -- and have certain protections". The fact that she posted the pics on FB is what I have the issue with. The teacher does not have the right to post pics of her students on her personal FB.
I never brought up the duct tape. That is just tasteless. My issue lays with her posting pics of her students.
 

meowzer

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Originally Posted by crimzy http:///t/394311/going-way-too-far#post_3509606
I'm not sure you'll see any lawsuits. There's not much value there and it's very tough to sue the school as they have governmental immunity. I wouldn't take the case.
LOL...I was being sarcastic......come on you have seen the ridiculous things people try to sue for....
If this teacher was a criminal or truly abused her students...OK......But a dumb playful joke.....IDK...I just don't know haha
 
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