Green Coralline algae???

tcreef

Member
I have this spreading on one rock in my tank. Seemed to appear almost overnight. Its probably .5mil thick. It's kinda leathery like in firmness. It is a little brighter than the pic shows. This tank has been setup since '97 and I have never seen this before. I guess thats what makes this hobby/obsession so interesting..........
TIA
 

j21kickster

Active Member
its not coralline if it grew overnight- also it feels fleshy? On some rock i often see some fleshy growth, it dosent do much (except grow), its just there, mabye someone else knows for sure what it is.
 
R

ricksreef

Guest
encrusting sponge,possibly Plakortis angulospiculatus
HTH
 

tcreef

Member
sammy......no veining at all.
It wasn't exactly overnight......but it did show up fast.
No filter feeding appendages. Does not seem to be as brittle as purple coralline.
 

prh123

Member
Well low to moderate lighting appears to be 2 watts per gallon for low, moderate maybe 4, intense 10 watts or more, I wanted low to moderate in the right ranges for mushrooms and purple coralline. 50 web sites, conflicting opinions, 50/50 white actinic from UV, with actinic 03 one for one is said to work, here's what I did, it works. (Desirable for purple and pink coralline and mushroom corals)
On Coralline algae growth, a store owner in Parsippany NJ, had painted the bare bottom and back of tanks white, had 100x flow going to spray bars, corals, mushrooms, and Coralline growing on back glass and bottom. The paint mentioned because reflected or indirect light seems to be a factor, with a 75 gallon ½ circle I did 50/50 (10k and actinic 03) and actinic 03 power compact. Two spray bars with a inch or inch and quar-ter PVC, two 900 GPH power heads on each end. I only got coralline pink and purple on the high flow areas, with reflected light, entire bottom and back. Some on live rocks, limited to lower level, sides of rock not tops.
So I take a mini reef in a ten gallon ½ moon tank:

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Bare bottom tank life rock is biological filter
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Mushrooms on live rock 8-10 open nice, purple, green, red, brown coralline algae mostly bottom of tank and on live rock with more pink and purple. The turbo snail (small) and hermit crab clean the bottom and live rock and yes they eat at least new coralline.
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Spray bar on ½ PVC rated at 480 GPH with two 402 power heads (270 GPH each)
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Spray bars on 1 and 3 outlet on Natural wave maker 20-30 seconds on 1 and 2 alternating, then 3 on twice as long, every other time both spray bars run. I put the Natural Wave maker plug into day light timer so a single Picasso trigger fish can sleep at the bottom of tank.
One at bottom back point down and across
One at top down if you stack rock across back of tank, for this mini reef middle back point to top front, surface agitation
Prizm skimmer with surface skimmer attachment
Coralife 50/50 (6000K and actinic 03), 20000K Coralife, T8 18 inch 15 watts suspended 8 inches above water, Coralife mini light two 9 inch 6 watt actinic 03, combined the colors favoring white actinic, actinic 03, and blue/white 20000K.
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Phosban and Instant Ocean Nitrate remover in Prizm filter compartment
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Coralline Gro from Red Sea, Kent Magnesium, once and a while purple up (clouds water and puts sand on bottom of tank)
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0 nitrates, phosphates, salinity 1.24, temperature with A/C 75 -79 degrees, magnesium 1250-1350 (added first per Red Sea), DKH 8-11, Calcium 400-450, strontium weekly or 4 days, potassium less than 30PPM, 4 days, Trace elements after water changes or weekly
One turbo snail, one hermit crab both small by design
Evaporated water and changes distilled, using reef crystals (extra Calcium and Magnesium)
Change a gallon a day maybe 3 or 4 of 7 days, small change, turn up skimmer until water air rates.
Purple, pink, green, red coralline, I switched from 50/50 (6K and actinic 03) to that and 20000K, both 15 watt T8 18 inch with the mini light two six watt actinic 03 on back bottom under Prizm Skimmer.
The color of the Coralife bulbs with 50/50 (6000K and actinic 03), 20000K, at 18 watts each, and 12 watts actinic 03 is priceless, the mushrooms with flow under rock and above point up (no direct flow), opened up further with 20000K. It says blue white light in a dark room it does not look like a blue blub, yes it has the spectrum for deeper waters. 50/50 white actinic up front, 20000K to back, actinic 03 bottom back of tank, 12 and 14 hour cycles.
Let you know if purple coralline grows rapidly, fish, and mushrooms love the light combined for all three, dawn to dusk is just actinic 03.
Any threats or comments: prh123@live.com
 

prh123

Member
Shows up in a google search someone replied to my post, other blogs appeared to be private clubs, wanted to post something that actually works, many posts seem to be mostly to sell products.
 

prh123

Member
I positioned spray bar at back bottom to flow right into a life rock with a great deal of purple and lime green coralline, and a back bottom actinic 03 mini light, I take a tooth brush to it once and a while. Not really impressed with growth being rapid, I do scrape the ½ circle glass with a razor blade each night. I’m not exactly patient I want it to grow in two (2) days, not weeks or months. In a ten gallon good and bad things should occur really fast no? People always suggest that.
Anyway, so just the back of rock is completely covered with coralline, I had to get flow without blowing the mushrooms off the rock, so I did under over with sprays bars, not really too much direct flow.
I get the flow, chemistry, lighting, and maintenance the results seem to be random, probably has to do with our abilities to keep propagating coralline in colors we actually like, green, red, and brown sounds like crap, even if it is coralline, looks like nuisance algae. I’ve never seen it before, Rea Sea web sites mentions colors in detail including them. Looking at rock in actinic 03 sure shows purple growing in some high flow spots anyway, really bright purple, "nice".
Yea, I know thread is nine years old, I write code in UNIX, before that OS/390 mainframes, I'm not really a blogger, each site is designed differently.
 

prh123

Member
Yea well, small changes matter here is today’s drama if anyone wants to help: Flow, Lighting, and Chemistry:
Flow:
Detritus is still collecting on dead spots “on top of power heads on spray bar” 1/8 of an inch thick, ahh!
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I have surges and turbulence, two spray bars, quarter inch wholes on a 9 inch ½ inch PVC pipe bottom back across bottom of tank, and middle up for surface agitation. Two 402 power heads rated at 270 GPH on each end.
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I put them on a natural wave maker power strip, 1 and 3, 20 seconds to 3 minutes on 1 and then 2, and every other cycle 3 on twice as long. The result is 480GPH middle up, 960 GPH bottom and middle, and then “still”.
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The reality mushrooms look nicer with no flow and 50/50 single bulb (low level lighting); they reach up an inch off the rock in the morning reaching toward lower level light. With any flow, they stay tighter to the live rock.
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The single fish, a Picasso Trigger fish sleeps on the bottom of tank, if I don’t stagger lights going off and on, the pumps with make him damage goods. I put two power heads (maxi jets) at surface at night, detritus it still collects in dead spots, seemed like you should have some flow at night, yet to see if that helps (always having some flow). ½ circle is more complicated to get flow right it goes against all the basics the way water is deflected.
Lights:
Two suspended T8 15 watt 18 inch over a 10 gallon ½ moon mini reef?
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I tried running actinic 03 just at night, mushrooms and triggerfish did not care, and it was just two six watt bulbs from that Coral Life Mini Light on back bottom of tank.
Yes, that actinic 03 statement “on” 24/7 to grow purple Coralline rapidly seems true, I tried 50/50 and 20000K without actinic 03
during the day looks like crap
without it.
The mushrooms actually looked best with no flow
, not much light!
just 50/50 light (6000K/Actinic 03 from Coralife) they opened reaching for the light during dawn cycle.
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Chemistry:

Going to break down and test water before adding anything to it
, my Calcium may be off the charts, someone was nice enough to tell me that matters also (below 450 above 500 slows growth of coralline).
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Yes the thread is old, history tends to repeat itself
, you don't notice when you are "young and dumb"
 

flower

Well-Known Member
LOL....I had no idea the thread was that old, I must remember to look at dates.
Now about your last post:
You should not have any "dead" spots, I think the "dust" you see is the calcium build up you have been dosing the tank with.
I also think you went super over kill on lighting. Actinic lightingis for corals not coraline, and blue moonlights are not actinic. But 2 of them?????
A trigger is not as good fish in a 10g tank...he needs to go to a new home, try a clown fish size fish when mature.
The mushrooms are not reaching for the light, they are hanging on for dear life or they are hungry....when is the last time you fed the tank some coral food? Mushrooms like a very low flow of water.
 

prh123

Member
#4 Yea post is old, I articulated my tank configuration and I wanted to get some feedback, I don’t know how to create a new thread, just replying to existing ones.
“After 1-2 weeks the tops of the power heads have calcium (white really fine powder also), but its seems like Coralline Gro (Red Sea) is like glue, xxxx load of flow, detritus is stay on tops, take off power heads, sticks to life rock, goes back and forth, which is really dumb. I could not run downward bottom flow, the mushrooms, “several” of them did not appreciate it and left the live rock, got filtered by power heads and then skimmer.
402 power heads are like 4 inches, both sides of 1/2 pipe rated at 480 GPH, 9 inch spray bar, quater inch whole every one inch, so yea the dead spot is the top of the power head.
 

prh123

Member
#5 The trigger is 1 ½ inches he seems to love it, in a two hundred gallon tank he would be a foot and ½ and I would have to give him dog biscuits.
It’s nice to change equipment as it improves, I want to run lower cost solution "now" where I can make positive changes rapidly, hours and days, not months and years. When I increased the flow to 48X and 96X surges, I had to bring a niger triggerfish back to the pet store, both niger and piscasso trigger fish don’t eat mush rooms corals or purple Coralline low cost easy to care for solutions, low light, moderate, high output, they don’t care.
I think any other fish would not be swimming in the currents, they would be drowning!
 

prh123

Member
On lighting, its in stages, 12 watts actinic 03, 50/50 white actinic, and then 20000K, dawn to dusk, mid-morning, and peak of day light, goes from 1.2 watts, 2.7 watts, to 4.2 watts in stages, and then back down 4.2, to 2.7, 1.2. I read 50 articles, that was the best suggestion. No one agrees on moon light, its a sales pitch to spend 300 on a 20 inch light.
HO is 5-10 watts per gallon, this is low to moderate from what I read.
You just have to watch how your own inhabitants react to lighting, mushrooms which you place at the bottom anyway, seem really happy, they divided into new ones once they got to a half dollar size in month or so. When I took the fish out, they seem to miss the filter food.
 

prh123

Member
Garf’s bullet proof reef is proven; white actinic and actinic 03 is the light purple coralline algae prefer, everything else is a story. They are the only people that knew how to write “instructions” on how to get it done, everything else I read is somewhat random, no one qualifies there answers.
http://www.garf.org/bulletproofreef/BulletProof.asp





Setup Directions
Please follow these Bullet Proof Reef Directions when setting up your Bullet Proof Reef .
Send Leroy an e-mail at leroy@garf.org if you have any questions!

Tank Information:





Tank Height = 17 inches












Tank Width = 17 inches












Tank Length = 11 inches












Tank Size = 13.76 Gallon




Plenum









Most of the systems at GARF (all of the Bullet Proof Reefs
) use plenums and have been very successful. Plenums create a dead water space area under the substrate. This dead water space, along with the substrate, help in the denitrification process which lower the nitrates.
Below is a cut list for a plenum that will fit the tank you entered on the previous page.










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9 " x 15"








Egg crate top












2




9"








3/4 " PVC pipe rails












2




13 1/2"








3/4 " PVC pipe ends












0




11 1/2"








3/4 " PVC pipe Supports












1




14"








1" Riser tube












1




9 " x 15"








Nylon Screening (middle)












1




12 " x 18"








Nylon Screening (bottom)








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Here is a link to help with the Assembly of the plenum.
All of the parts to make your own plenum can be found in most hardware stores like Lowes or Home Depot. The Egg Crate is usually found in the Lighting section. PVC pipe is in the pumbing section. Nylon screening is usually found around the screen doors.








Plenum Sand Bed












23 lbs. - CaribSea "Seaflor special Grade Reef Sand"












4 lbs. - Garf Grunge





Recommended Power heads for providing current









Water flow is one of the most important elements in the Bullet Proof Reef
. Current not only brings nutrients to the coral but it also helps remove waste. GARF recommends using TAAM Seio high flow power heads for your bullet proof reef. The use of a Seio controller is also recommended for 1100-2600 gph pump models to make the current in the reef more random.












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Description








Minimum GPH












2 - 3








Mini-Jet
MN404








240




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Due to the higher water flow in the "Bullet Proof Reef , GARF recommends at least 5 watts of heater for each gallon of tank capacity. If you are adding a sump to your bullet proof reef, don't forget to include it in the total gallons!
Using more than 1 heater is recommended.












Heater(s)












Qty Description












1 - 75 watt
or
3 - 25 watt





Lights









Lighting is one of the most important elements in the Bullet Proof Reef .
The Bullet Proof Reef method, starts with lower light levels, and increases the light over a one year period, if more light is desired. GARF's prefered lights are URI 50/50 and Actinic Blue flouresent bulbs run off of IceCap
660 electroninc ballasts. Starting with Normal Output (NO) and increasing to Very High Output (VHO) if needed. The IceCap Ballast supports VHO and NO lamps in any combination.
Champion Lighting is a good on-line source for your lighting needs. You can either purchase all the components seperately or purchase a retro fit kit that comes with most items you need.












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Description




















IceCap
ballast










4






There are no URI flourescent bulbs shorter than 18 inches. Try locating a hood with Power compacts (PC) that will fit this size of tank. inch - watt NO - URI 50/50 flourescent bulbs








4








There are no URI flourescent bulbs shorter than 18 inches. Try locating a hood with Power compacts (PC) that will fit this size of tank. inch - watt NO - URI Blue Actininc flourescent bulbs












8








Pair of water proof end caps. Ensure they are high quality and will not melt with VHO bulbs.












After 6 months you can start replacing the NO bulbs with the following VHO bulbs if more light is desired.












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Description












4








There are no URI flourescent bulbs shorter than 18 inches. Try locating a hood with Power compacts (PC) that will fit this size of tank. inch - watt - VHO URI
50/50 flourescent bulbs












4








There are no URI
flourescent bulbs shorter than 18 inches. Try locating a hood with Power compacts (PC) that will fit this size of tank. inch - watt - VHO URI
Blue Actininc flourescent bulbs





Protien Skimmer (added after 4 months)

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Protein Skimmers (foam fractionation) are designed to remove organic pollutants from the aquarium. They inject fine air bubbles into the water passing through them. The dissolved proteins and wastes found in the water, cling to these air bubbles. These bubbles eventually make it to the top of the skimmer and burst. A foam builds up an the top column, and overflows into a collection cup. This collection cup can be removed and emptied when necessary.
Champion Lighting is a good on-line source for the CPR protein skimmers.










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Description












1








Red Sea Prizm Hang-on. Has not been tested by GARF but has been highly recommended.





Aragocrete








Aragocrete, is a lightweight, porous man made rock for use in a reef aquarium. It is not "Live Rock" however, after seeded with GARF Grunge it will start to grow the beneficial bacteria tiny invertebrates, and algae that make it live rock. Aragocrete is fun and easy to make. Here is a link to help you Make Your Own Aragocrete!












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Description












16 lbs.








Aragocrete




SeaChem
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Reef Plus - Has a full spectrum supplement of trace components and beneficial amino acids. It may be used as a food supplement.
Reef Complete - Designed to restore and maintain calcium to levels found in natural seawater without affecting pH
Reef Calcium - Intended to maintain calcium in the reef aquarium without altering pH
Reef Advantage Calcium -
Designed to restore and maintain calcium levels found in natural seawater. Calcium and carbonates are essential to all coral growth. (Powdered form of Reef Calcium)
Reef Builder
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Raises carbonate alkalinity without immediately impacting on pH. With long term use, it maintains pH at 8.3










Qty








Description












1 Teaspoon








Reef Plus
twice a week












1 Teaspoon








Reef Complete
twice a week












1 Teaspoon








Reef Calcium
twice a week












1 Tablespoon








Reef Advantage Calcium
added to each gallon of makeup water during the 2nd and 4th weeks of the month.












1 Tablespoon








Reef Builder
added to each gallon of makeup water during the 3rd week of each month.




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prh123

Member
The Garf’s web site basically describes, flow, lighting, chemistry, setup, and spells out to seed coralline algae in high flow areas and run actinic 03 lights 24/7 for two weeks to get purple coralline to grow rapidly. They suggested the photosynthesis period would stay active promoting rapid growth.
 
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