H1N1 Flu Obama's Katrina?

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/3168492
Give us a break! I cannot believe how many people buy into the anti-science Luddite hype. Where did you ever get the idea that Guillain-Barré syndrome is "far more deadly than H1N1"? While the symptoms of G-B syndrome are serious, most patients eventually recover. Those who die of H1N1 never recover, not even a little bit. Why is it OK to declare a war that results in thousands of American deaths in response to the death of "only" 3,000 Americans on 9/11 (not that I think that attacking parts of Afghanistan was wrong), but an effective response to a situation that will kill thousands of Americans this year is seen as some kind of leftist conspiracy?
What is the percentage of people who die from G-B as opposed to the flu? Not trying to stir the pot, just wondered.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/3168492
Those who die of H1N1 never recover, not even a little bit.

This sentence is funny.....atleast it is to me.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/3168492
Give us a break! I cannot believe how many people buy into the anti-science Luddite hype. Where did you ever get the idea that Guillain-Barré syndrome is "far more deadly than H1N1"? While the symptoms of G-B syndrome are serious, most patients eventually recover. Those who die of H1N1 never recover, not even a little bit. Why is it OK to declare a war that results in thousands of American deaths in response to the death of "only" 3,000 Americans on 9/11 (not that I think that attacking parts of Afghanistan was wrong), but an effective response to a situation that will kill thousands of Americans this year is seen as some kind of leftist conspiracy?
Last I checked, those who don't recover from GB are just as dead as those who don't recover from flu.

 

[cherylann]

Many southern hemisphire countries have already had their flu season and dealth with H1N1, of course people are going to die, just like people die from chicken pox or community aquired pneumonia. Bacterial pneumonia and viral pneumonia kill many more people EVERY year,Year around than H1N1 will ever kill.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3168560
This sentence is funny.....atleast it is to me.

Quote of the century!
Is Geridoc VP Biden? That sounds like something he'd say.

 

[geridoc]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3168550
What is the percentage of people who die from G-B as opposed to the flu? Not trying to stir the pot, just wondered.
Approximately 10-15% of adults hospitalized for influenza die from their disease (CDC estimates about 20,000/year). Guillian-Barre syndrome is far rarer, and in developed countries the mortality rate approaches 1-2%. Interestingly, in areas where influenza vaccination is not practiced, the rate of G-B is similar to that seen in places where there are high levels of vaccination achieved.

 

[geridoc]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3168565
Last I checked, those who don't recover from GB are just as dead as those who don't recover from flu.
True enough, but there are many fewer of them who died from GB.

 

[vinnyraptor]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3168058
Like I said, try researching CREDIBLE news sources, none of which reported that because those of us who do know Bush gave up playing golf due to criticism he received for doing so with troops deployed, In 2003, TWO YEARS BEFORE KATRINA HIT.
I guess if you were better informed you wouldn't be carrying Obama's water

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10314.html
"“I don't want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the commander in chief playing golf,” he said. “I feel I owe it to the families to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal.”
Bush said he made that decision after the August 2003 bombing of the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad, which killed Sergio Vieira de Mello, the top U.N. official in Iraq and the organization’s high commissioner for human rights."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...Iraq-dead.html
"Bush's last round of golf as president dates back to October 13, 2003, according to meticulous records kept by CBS news."
And even from a liberal propaganda page
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/14/...nt-hold-water/
They try to twist bushes words to make it seem like he claimed he hadn't played since August but it was that event he says led him to decide to quit, not when he quit.
Point being, your sources of information are woefully inaccurate.
look at your sources, lol... the politico? weak. all of your sources are right wing propaganda institutions.
didnt Bush take more vacations then any other President in U.S. history? we can go round and round about these accusations. i mean you were mad that Obama took his wife to one play and one dinner. i personally dont care what a guy does as long as he gets the job done! my guy is doing EXACTLY what he said he was gonna do. your guy made blunder after blunder, hell he couldnt even speak! and nobody friend or foe liked or respected him. i dont see thousands of people world-wide protesting Obama like they did Bush and Cheney.
you right wingers wanna blame everything in the world on a guy who hasn't served one year as President. and yet have the audacity to pretend that the guy who ran things for the previous 8 with a majority congress for 6 of those 8 isnt responsible for anything that is going on now.
Katrina was one of many Bush super-blunders, like Iraq, Deregulation, and his tax cuts.

 

[vinnyraptor]

i think most GOP'ers can agree that Reagan was the best Republican President in the last 30 years. lets look at some REAL numbers....
first unemployment in his 3 years. it was only 7.5 when he took office and got much worse(10.8) before it came back down to 8.3
Title: Civilian Unemployment Rate
Series ID: UNRATE
Source: U.S. Department of Labor: Bureau of Labor Statistics
Release: The Employment Situation
Seasonal Adjustment: Seasonally Adjusted
Frequency: Monthly
Units: Percent
Date Range: 1948-01-01 to 2009-10-01
Last Updated: 2009-11-06 9:01 AM CST
Notes: Persons 16 years of age and older.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) announced several revisions to
the Household Survey on Friday Feb.7th 2003, with the release of the
January 2003 Data. They introduced the Census 2000 population controls
(which affect data back to 2000 and cause a break in the data in
January 2000), a new seasonal adjustment procedure, and new seasonal
factors back to January 1998. For further information contact the
Current Employment Statistics (CES) homepage at www.bls.gov/ces or by
calling 202-691-6555.
1981-01-01 7.5
1981-02-01 7.4
1981-03-01 7.4
1981-04-01 7.2
1981-05-01 7.5
1981-06-01 7.5
1981-07-01 7.2
1981-08-01 7.4
1981-09-01 7.6
1981-10-01 7.9
1981-11-01 8.3
1981-12-01 8.5
1982-01-01 8.6
1982-02-01 8.9
1982-03-01 9.0
1982-04-01 9.3
1982-05-01 9.4
1982-06-01 9.6
1982-07-01 9.8
1982-08-01 9.8
1982-09-01 10.1
1982-10-01 10.4
1982-11-01 10.8
1982-12-01 10.8
1983-01-01 10.4
1983-02-01 10.4
1983-03-01 10.3
1983-04-01 10.2
1983-05-01 10.1
1983-06-01 10.1
1983-07-01 9.4
1983-08-01 9.5
1983-09-01 9.2
1983-10-01 8.8
1983-11-01 8.5
1983-12-01 8.3
(continued)

 

[vinnyraptor]

big deficit?
By PETER T. KILBORN (The New York Times); Financial Desk
September 21, 1983, Wednesday
Late City Final Edition, Section D, Page 2, Column 1, 670 words
[ DISPLAYING ABSTRACT ]
This year's Federal budget deficit will fall somewhat below the $210 billion level most Government and private economists had been expecting only two months ago, the economists say. For the fiscal 1983 year, which ends Sept. 30, economists now see a deficit of $195 billion to $200 billion. The ...
tPOLL SHOWS REAGAN APPROVAL RATING AT 4-YEAR LOW
By E. J. DIONNE Jr.
Published: Tuesday, March 3, 1987
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LinkedinDiggFacebookMixxMySpaceYahoo! BuzzPermalinkPresident Reagan's approval rating has plunged to its lowest level in more than four years, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News Poll.
The survey, taken Saturday and Sunday after the release of the report of a Presidential commission on the Iran arms deal, found that 42 percent of those surveyed approved of the way Mr. Reagan was handling his job and 46 percent disapproved.
It was his lowest rating since January 1983, when 41 percent approved of his performance. The survey also marked the first time since April 1983, when the nation was coming out of a deep recession, that more Americans disapproved than approved of Mr. Reagan's performance. Drop of 10 Points
he polls...

 

[ironeagle2006]

You are aware that you are COMPARING 2 different ways of comparing Unemployment figures. Regans figures were teh Total amount UNand UNDEREMPLOYED. Obamas figures are what are still Drawing Unemployment does not include those whose benefits have run out or the UNDEREMPLOYED. If Those are includeed Obama right now has a Figure of OVER 17.5% and Climbing.
Yet the DUMMYCRAPS STILL ARE TRYING TO RAM TAX INCREASES UP THE REAR ENDS OF ANY AND ALL BUSINESS THAT WOULD START TO GET PEOPLE BACK TO WORK. Yes Reagans plan took a while to work yet they DID.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/3170418
look at your sources, lol... the politico? weak. all of your sources are right wing propaganda institutions.
didnt Bush take more vacations then any other President in U.S. history? we can go round and round about these accusations. i mean you were mad that Obama took his wife to one play and one dinner. i personally dont care what a guy does as long as he gets the job done! my guy is doing EXACTLY what he said he was gonna do. your guy made blunder after blunder, hell he couldnt even speak! and nobody friend or foe liked or respected him. i dont see thousands of people world-wide protesting Obama like they did Bush and Cheney.
you right wingers wanna blame everything in the world on a guy who hasn't served one year as President. and yet have the audacity to pretend that the guy who ran things for the previous 8 with a majority congress for 6 of those 8 isnt responsible for anything that is going on now.
Katrina was one of many Bush super-blunders, like Iraq, Deregulation, and his tax cuts.
Politico is hardly right wing but you truly display your lack of knowledge when you call think progress right wing propaganda.
Like most of the other stuff you post your golf story is a fabrication. If not post us up a credible link about it.

 

[oscardeuce]

look at your sources, lol... the politico? weak. all of your sources are right wing propaganda institutions.
didnt Bush take more vacations then any other President in U.S. history? we can go round and round about these accusations. i mean you were mad that Obama took his wife to one play and one dinner. i personally dont care what a guy does as long as he gets the job done! my guy is doing EXACTLY what he said he was gonna do. your guy made blunder after blunder, hell he couldnt even speak! and nobody friend or foe liked or respected him. i dont see thousands of people world-wide protesting Obama like they did Bush and Cheney.
you right wingers wanna blame everything in the world on a guy who hasn't served one year as President. and yet have the audacity to pretend that the guy who ran things for the previous 8 with a majority congress for 6 of those 8 isnt responsible for anything that is going on now.
Katrina was one of many Bush super-blunders, like Iraq, Deregulation, and his tax cuts.

Thank god Obama's stimulus has kept unemployment under 9 %. Another broken promise, and a waste of money.

 

[vinnyraptor]

i liked Reagan, i m just showing everyone that it takes time to turn things around and plans to work. Obama has be President for 11 months!

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/3170766
i liked Reagan, i m just showing everyone that it takes time to turn things around and plans to work. Obama has be President for 11 months!
In 11 months the gov't has taken steps to control the auto industry, insurance and banking industries, and almost health care.
How much have they spent in the last 11 months?
President Obama has still not made a decision on Afgahnsitan. Even though his hand picked General has requested 40,000 troops. He seems to have put our troops under the political bus, delaying the decision until he got healthcare "reform". He needed to keep the far left happy.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/3170418
l
Katrina was one of many Bush super-blunders, like Iraq, Deregulation, and his tax cuts.
As I have shown you...Katrina was not a BUSH blunder. Until you can show how he failed you are just using liberal talking points based solely off of emotion. As I showed you with numerous links to stories and law...Bush could not send in the fed to help until it was requested. So if the law tied his hands, how is that HIS blunder?
Tax cuts? After the tax cuts did the economy get worse or better?
Iraq...ok I will give you we didn't find loads of WMDs.
Deregulation.....things started getting deregulated under Clinton....for example how housing loans could be structured to allow those with little to no money top qualify for homes beyond their means....

 

[vinnyraptor]

there not "controlling" the auto or banking industry. those companies needed tax payer money to stay in business. therefore its the gov's responsability to make sure they dont use it to cut big bonuses for exec's that cant do their job. i think its more than fair...

 

[ironeagle2006]

Wrong Vinny ORGAINIZED LABOR needed the cash to keep its members happy. Called the UAW is so far in the DUMMYCRAPS Pockets that they could not risk losing them. The CBO has said there is ZERO chancve we will ever get our money back from BOTH CHRYSLER AND GM. You are aware that Secured Bondholders were told the UNIONS will be paid off first NOT YOU CORRECT BY OBAMAS JUSTICE DEPT. Why because they wanted the UAW to get a bigger slice of the pie.
Name the only one of the Big 3 to make a Profit last quarter here is a hint THEY WERE THE ONLY ONES NOT TO TAKE ANY FEDERAL MONEY. FORD made 1 Billion last quarter why there are alot of people out there like myself that will NEVER BY ANOTHER CAR FROM GM OR CHYSLER because the Goverment bailed them out.

 

[reefraff]

I don't want to give my money to Ford either because I want to see the UAW get crushed. That is why I am driving a 7 year old truck. If the US Japufacturers could build a good big truck I would have replaced mine this year but unfortunately

So I threw a bunch of money at my truck this year and will hold out for another 5 years.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/3172276
there not "controlling" the auto or banking industry. those companies needed tax payer money to stay in business. therefore its the gov's responsability to make sure they dont use it to cut big bonuses for exec's that cant do their job. i think its more than fair...
Firing the CEO of GM or setting pay and bonuses for the banks isn't controlling them? Hell this whole financial crisis can in large part be traced back to the government forcing lenders to loan people money for houses they couldn't afford. I don't have a problem with telling the banks what they can spend on salaries until they pay back the money.